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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106233</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good move, Logern.  I don&#039;t think you can answer Oz.  What you have written so far doesn&#039;t show much reflection about what the position of the US is or is not.  Constant drumbeat of talking points from Democrats, Code Pink, or International Answer doesn&#039;t count as analysis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good move, Logern.  I don&#8217;t think you can answer Oz.  What you have written so far doesn&#8217;t show much reflection about what the position of the US is or is not.  Constant drumbeat of talking points from Democrats, Code Pink, or International Answer doesn&#8217;t count as analysis.</p>
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		By: Logern		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Logern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part of my post cut.  Ah, but I&#039;ll leave it at that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of my post cut.  Ah, but I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		By: Logern		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Logern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Assistant Village Idiot Says: 

April 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am 
Logern, what makes you think Biden’s assessment is correct? Ante up.&lt;/i&gt;

You want me to back up the Vice President?

Okay, we&#039;ve been in two wars for awhile now.
Extended tours, and military stop-less has been in effect.  Don&#039;t know if it&#039;s as bad since WW2.

And uh, go peruse &quot;Gateway Pundits&quot; archives for a collection of how much people love us around the World.  (I&#039;m glad I finally found some use for that guy)

And for the most part, if you believe the MSM (and I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t) Obama&#039;s two visits to Europe have gone mostly well.  But hey, it&#039;s still only couple months in, so there&#039;s always hope things will get a lot worse.

Will more popular support (than Bush) sway European leadership (who one assumes do answer somewhat to their constituencies), is yet to be seen.







Ozymandias]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Assistant Village Idiot Says: </p>
<p>April 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am<br />
Logern, what makes you think Biden’s assessment is correct? Ante up.</i></p>
<p>You want me to back up the Vice President?</p>
<p>Okay, we&#8217;ve been in two wars for awhile now.<br />
Extended tours, and military stop-less has been in effect.  Don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s as bad since WW2.</p>
<p>And uh, go peruse &#8220;Gateway Pundits&#8221; archives for a collection of how much people love us around the World.  (I&#8217;m glad I finally found some use for that guy)</p>
<p>And for the most part, if you believe the MSM (and I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t) Obama&#8217;s two visits to Europe have gone mostly well.  But hey, it&#8217;s still only couple months in, so there&#8217;s always hope things will get a lot worse.</p>
<p>Will more popular support (than Bush) sway European leadership (who one assumes do answer somewhat to their constituencies), is yet to be seen.</p>
<p>Ozymandias</p>
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		By: NewEnglandDevil		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106173</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When quoting Joe Biden it is more useful to tell us the provenance of the thought; that is, from whom he copied, so that we can ascertain the quality of the opinion.

In some respects however, it is a true statement: the author of the statement believes that being less regarded - in certain undefined respects by certain undefined concerns - and being stretched &#039;more thinly&#039;, with &#039;no respect&#039; - again, in certain undefined respects - in entire &#039;parts of the world&#039;, leaves us in a &#039;weaker&#039; posture.

So, let&#039;s define WHO regards and respects us less:
tyrants, dictators, oppressors of individual liberty and freedom; i.e. statists. In other words, people whom I would hope we have no interest in courting (Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Cuba, Russia, etc.).

And when he speaks of respect, he is saying that they defy our will; so in order to gain their respect, Obama has ceded all our foreign policy goals to bring the goals into line with the statists&#039; intentions. Certainly that will make them &lt;strong&gt;&lt;i&gt;respect&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; us, won&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When quoting Joe Biden it is more useful to tell us the provenance of the thought; that is, from whom he copied, so that we can ascertain the quality of the opinion.</p>
<p>In some respects however, it is a true statement: the author of the statement believes that being less regarded &#8211; in certain undefined respects by certain undefined concerns &#8211; and being stretched &#8216;more thinly&#8217;, with &#8216;no respect&#8217; &#8211; again, in certain undefined respects &#8211; in entire &#8216;parts of the world&#8217;, leaves us in a &#8216;weaker&#8217; posture.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s define WHO regards and respects us less:<br />
tyrants, dictators, oppressors of individual liberty and freedom; i.e. statists. In other words, people whom I would hope we have no interest in courting (Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Cuba, Russia, etc.).</p>
<p>And when he speaks of respect, he is saying that they defy our will; so in order to gain their respect, Obama has ceded all our foreign policy goals to bring the goals into line with the statists&#8217; intentions. Certainly that will make them <strong><i>respect</i></strong> us, won&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Logern, what makes you think Biden&#039;s assessment is correct?  Ante up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logern, what makes you think Biden&#8217;s assessment is correct?  Ante up.</p>
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		By: Logern		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106157</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quoting Joe Biden from day before yesterday.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The last administration left us in a weaker posture than we&#039;ve been any time since World War II: less regarded in the world, stretched more thinly than we ever have been in the past, two wars under way, virtually no respect in entire parts of the world,&quot; Biden said on CNN&#039;s The Situation Room. &quot;And so we&#039;ve been about the business of repairing and strengthening those.&quot;
&lt;/i&gt;

I would guess that counts as a bit of foreign policy assesment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Joe Biden from day before yesterday.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The last administration left us in a weaker posture than we&#8217;ve been any time since World War II: less regarded in the world, stretched more thinly than we ever have been in the past, two wars under way, virtually no respect in entire parts of the world,&#8221; Biden said on CNN&#8217;s The Situation Room. &#8220;And so we&#8217;ve been about the business of repairing and strengthening those.&#8221;<br />
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<p>I would guess that counts as a bit of foreign policy assesment.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106094</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thing is, people like Madoff operate on the same principle as William Jefferson, PillowC, Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Obama.

They make you believe that they are the indispensable man, the virtuous man, the man that will do the good thing, the different thing, the non-Bushdevil thing.

In reality, you are going to get shafted, soon as you give them what they want. And just like in Madoff, some of the dupes will benefit while others will lose all.

Just sit there and wait for it, L. Wait for that Jonestown moment in your life when everything changes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, people like Madoff operate on the same principle as William Jefferson, PillowC, Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Obama.</p>
<p>They make you believe that they are the indispensable man, the virtuous man, the man that will do the good thing, the different thing, the non-Bushdevil thing.</p>
<p>In reality, you are going to get shafted, soon as you give them what they want. And just like in Madoff, some of the dupes will benefit while others will lose all.</p>
<p>Just sit there and wait for it, L. Wait for that Jonestown moment in your life when everything changes.</p>
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		By: adagny		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106062</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If only I had stayed a child. 
I would have loved this guy in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s.
Ah, well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I had stayed a child.<br />
I would have loved this guy in the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s.<br />
Ah, well.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106041</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aw, Neo, you&#039;re using logic. That&#039;s not fair!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, Neo, you&#8217;re using logic. That&#8217;s not fair!</p>
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		By: FredHjr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/04/06/well-at-least-obamas-not-bush/#comment-106018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredHjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many people on our discussion boards here on neo&#039;s site have come over, in stages and at different times in their lives, from the other side where &quot;Logern&quot; is coming from.  I was Far Left (at least academically - I wasn&#039;t much of an activist and I probably flew under the radar because I was buried in books and articles).  We are all familiar with the attitude of the Left:  it gives the benefit of the doubt to our enemies and our erstwhile allies who wanted to freeload on us during the Cold War and beyond.

We pissed off France and Russia, because Iraq was a major client and ally of those nations.  The Germans also had cozy relations with Saddam, to the point where it was financially very beneficial for some of their corporations and politicians.  Most of all, they saw in a militant Iraq that would soon be freed of the inspection regime a counterweight to the United States and Israel in the region.  That was the game.  Anyone who tells you differently is either a fool or a liar.

Chirac and Putin were counting on Saddam&#039;s regime to keep us off-balance and threatened, since Iraqi bio and chem weapons programs could deliver products (for a price) to groups that would use them against us.

President Bush upset the emerging geo-strategic reality, and they didn&#039;t like it one bit at all.

In this country the Far Left succeeded in roping in the dopes from the Soft Left and the Middle Muddle.  The Soros&#039; controlled media NGO&#039;s worked the MSM to get Bush at any cost.  No one and nothing was spared in that mission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people on our discussion boards here on neo&#8217;s site have come over, in stages and at different times in their lives, from the other side where &#8220;Logern&#8221; is coming from.  I was Far Left (at least academically &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t much of an activist and I probably flew under the radar because I was buried in books and articles).  We are all familiar with the attitude of the Left:  it gives the benefit of the doubt to our enemies and our erstwhile allies who wanted to freeload on us during the Cold War and beyond.</p>
<p>We pissed off France and Russia, because Iraq was a major client and ally of those nations.  The Germans also had cozy relations with Saddam, to the point where it was financially very beneficial for some of their corporations and politicians.  Most of all, they saw in a militant Iraq that would soon be freed of the inspection regime a counterweight to the United States and Israel in the region.  That was the game.  Anyone who tells you differently is either a fool or a liar.</p>
<p>Chirac and Putin were counting on Saddam&#8217;s regime to keep us off-balance and threatened, since Iraqi bio and chem weapons programs could deliver products (for a price) to groups that would use them against us.</p>
<p>President Bush upset the emerging geo-strategic reality, and they didn&#8217;t like it one bit at all.</p>
<p>In this country the Far Left succeeded in roping in the dopes from the Soft Left and the Middle Muddle.  The Soros&#8217; controlled media NGO&#8217;s worked the MSM to get Bush at any cost.  No one and nothing was spared in that mission.</p>
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