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		By: E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Knock it off, Lee. 

Art has things to say, and he&#039;s saying them. If you don&#039;t want to read them, skip over and stick to the debate. It&#039;s YOU who are the distraction, not Art.

There are All Kinds of Minds in this world, and we&#039;re all a lot less normal than you&#039;d think. So, a little kindness and tolerance, please.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knock it off, Lee. </p>
<p>Art has things to say, and he&#8217;s saying them. If you don&#8217;t want to read them, skip over and stick to the debate. It&#8217;s YOU who are the distraction, not Art.</p>
<p>There are All Kinds of Minds in this world, and we&#8217;re all a lot less normal than you&#8217;d think. So, a little kindness and tolerance, please.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;i am not so stupid to think that you can just joke to me after picking on me and its would create comradery on a dime.&quot;

Wasn&#039;t trying to be your friend, Artie, ol&#039; boy.  A joke at your expense is still a joke.  Thought someone of your infinite intelligence would be able to tell the difference.
I don&#039;t come to a weblog to &quot;make friends&quot; with anyone.  Especially nut cases like you.  That&#039;s what work and bars and parties are for.  There may be some that like your postings, but to assume they are your friends just shows how little you actually have any quality interaction with other human beings.  
Maybe you should stop posting so much on a therapist&#039;s blog and go see an actual therapist.  That paranoia is really cutting into your social life, and it shows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i am not so stupid to think that you can just joke to me after picking on me and its would create comradery on a dime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t trying to be your friend, Artie, ol&#8217; boy.  A joke at your expense is still a joke.  Thought someone of your infinite intelligence would be able to tell the difference.<br />
I don&#8217;t come to a weblog to &#8220;make friends&#8221; with anyone.  Especially nut cases like you.  That&#8217;s what work and bars and parties are for.  There may be some that like your postings, but to assume they are your friends just shows how little you actually have any quality interaction with other human beings.<br />
Maybe you should stop posting so much on a therapist&#8217;s blog and go see an actual therapist.  That paranoia is really cutting into your social life, and it shows.</p>
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		By: Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104113</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In some ways I wish that my comments, which were an original followed by a second attempt to say the same thing, had been eaten by the spam filter. I now know a lot more about the bonuses and recognize that they were paid to the people who created much of AIG&#039;s  derivatives exposure. Since that derivatives exposure is the primary problem they have, these guys/gals were primarily responsible for the AIG difficulties. Paying them extra for putting their employer in deep doo doo does seem contrary to all common sense. On the other hand the amount is small compared to the legal costs of reneging on the contracts. Also, they may believe that  only these employees know enough about the CDSs, and other weird derivatives to help them eventually steer into calmer waters.

I&#039;m glad to see that others see the contradiction of Obama and others&#039; positions. He can&#039;t decide if he wants to be a friend to business or a leader in the class warfare platoon. 

All this is, however, a distraction from the real important stuff which is that FASB is considering allowing the financial companies to value their securitized mortgages and other debts on the basis of the income being received rather than some phantom market price. They will make their decision on April 2nd.  Should this occur, I predict that much of the uncertainty and doubt about financial balance sheets will be relieved. It might just lead to (gasp) a bottom in the stock market.
Stay tuned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways I wish that my comments, which were an original followed by a second attempt to say the same thing, had been eaten by the spam filter. I now know a lot more about the bonuses and recognize that they were paid to the people who created much of AIG&#8217;s  derivatives exposure. Since that derivatives exposure is the primary problem they have, these guys/gals were primarily responsible for the AIG difficulties. Paying them extra for putting their employer in deep doo doo does seem contrary to all common sense. On the other hand the amount is small compared to the legal costs of reneging on the contracts. Also, they may believe that  only these employees know enough about the CDSs, and other weird derivatives to help them eventually steer into calmer waters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that others see the contradiction of Obama and others&#8217; positions. He can&#8217;t decide if he wants to be a friend to business or a leader in the class warfare platoon. </p>
<p>All this is, however, a distraction from the real important stuff which is that FASB is considering allowing the financial companies to value their securitized mortgages and other debts on the basis of the income being received rather than some phantom market price. They will make their decision on April 2nd.  Should this occur, I predict that much of the uncertainty and doubt about financial balance sheets will be relieved. It might just lead to (gasp) a bottom in the stock market.<br />
Stay tuned.</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I R A Darth Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;So litigation + expenditures&lt;/i&gt;

Errr...&lt;b&gt;So bonuses + litigation + expenditures&lt;/b&gt;. The original $165 million, + costs of litigation = some number greater than $165 million. I&#039;m guessing $200 million, but it could be less if action happens quickly, or much more if it drags out for several years, and the employees ask for interest to accrue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So litigation + expenditures</i></p>
<p>Errr&#8230;<b>So bonuses + litigation + expenditures</b>. The original $165 million, + costs of litigation = some number greater than $165 million. I&#8217;m guessing $200 million, but it could be less if action happens quickly, or much more if it drags out for several years, and the employees ask for interest to accrue.</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104103</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I R A Darth Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Stiff ‘em.&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong answer. This is contract law, which is pretty much cut &#038; dried.  There are two approaches to attacking a contract: is the contract valid, and was the contract fullfilled? since they&#039;re getting bonuses, I would have to guess that the second condition is true.

As for the first condition? odds are, it is a valid contract written in standard boilerplate that have been examined by the courts and found to be legal and correct. 

Sure, AIG could &quot;void&quot; the contracts, but all that&#039;ll do is lower morale, piss of their employees, and get them sued for breach of contract.

Which they&#039;ll lose. So not only will they have pissed-off employees with lowered morale, they&#039;ll have spent money on their lawyers to unsucessfully void contracts, &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; be on the hook for the plaintiffs lawyers as well.

Oh, and costs &#038; so on.

So litigation + expenditures and so will end up costing AIG in excess of $200 million when the dust finally settles.

Face. Nose. Cut. Off. Spite.

Not only that, but Chris Dodd stuck in language in Porkulus that says something along the lines of &quot;contracts approved by $DATE are OK with us&quot;, with $DATE being something like 11 Feb 2009.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stiff ‘em.</i></p>
<p>Wrong answer. This is contract law, which is pretty much cut &amp; dried.  There are two approaches to attacking a contract: is the contract valid, and was the contract fullfilled? since they&#8217;re getting bonuses, I would have to guess that the second condition is true.</p>
<p>As for the first condition? odds are, it is a valid contract written in standard boilerplate that have been examined by the courts and found to be legal and correct. </p>
<p>Sure, AIG could &#8220;void&#8221; the contracts, but all that&#8217;ll do is lower morale, piss of their employees, and get them sued for breach of contract.</p>
<p>Which they&#8217;ll lose. So not only will they have pissed-off employees with lowered morale, they&#8217;ll have spent money on their lawyers to unsucessfully void contracts, <b>and</b> be on the hook for the plaintiffs lawyers as well.</p>
<p>Oh, and costs &amp; so on.</p>
<p>So litigation + expenditures and so will end up costing AIG in excess of $200 million when the dust finally settles.</p>
<p>Face. Nose. Cut. Off. Spite.</p>
<p>Not only that, but Chris Dodd stuck in language in Porkulus that says something along the lines of &#8220;contracts approved by $DATE are OK with us&#8221;, with $DATE being something like 11 Feb 2009.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104079</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the reason its a petard is that they thought there would be more republicans and they would sign it too!!!  they didnt, and so the clown has pie on his own face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the reason its a petard is that they thought there would be more republicans and they would sign it too!!!  they didnt, and so the clown has pie on his own face.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104078</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama was heard in private saying:

&quot;Petard, whats a F&#038;N petard? and how can i hoist my own when i dont even know what it is?!!??!?!!!!!&quot;

for those challenged:

hoist by or with one&#039;s own petard, hurt, ruined, or destroyed by the very device or plot one had intended for another. 

as a noun:
1. an explosive device formerly used in warfare to blow in a door or gate, form a breach in a wall, etc. 
2. a kind of firecracker. 
3. (initial capital letter) Also called Flying Dustbin. a British spigot mortar of World War II that fired a 40-pound (18 kg) finned bomb, designed to destroy pillboxes and other concrete obstacles. 


and the whole reason i bothered.. 

&lt;i&gt;Origin: 
1590—1600; 

using the last, it may mean, gassed by your own gas!!!  :)&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama was heard in private saying:</p>
<p>&#8220;Petard, whats a F&amp;N petard? and how can i hoist my own when i dont even know what it is?!!??!?!!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>for those challenged:</p>
<p>hoist by or with one&#8217;s own petard, hurt, ruined, or destroyed by the very device or plot one had intended for another. </p>
<p>as a noun:<br />
1. an explosive device formerly used in warfare to blow in a door or gate, form a breach in a wall, etc.<br />
2. a kind of firecracker.<br />
3. (initial capital letter) Also called Flying Dustbin. a British spigot mortar of World War II that fired a 40-pound (18 kg) finned bomb, designed to destroy pillboxes and other concrete obstacles. </p>
<p>and the whole reason i bothered.. </p>
<p><i>Origin:<br />
1590—1600; </p>
<p>using the last, it may mean, gassed by your own gas!!!  🙂</i></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you couldnt make a believable plot from all this!!! 


Obama&#039;s Stimulus Bill Explicitly Grants AIG the Legal Right to Give Unlimited Bonuses

“(iii) The prohibition required under clause (i) shall not be construed to prohibit any bonus payment required to be paid pursuant to a writte employment contract executed on or before February 11, 2009, as such valid employment contracts are determined by the Secretary or the designee of the Secretary.” 


&lt;b&gt;so it looks real crappy that he is against himself!!!!&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you couldnt make a believable plot from all this!!! </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s Stimulus Bill Explicitly Grants AIG the Legal Right to Give Unlimited Bonuses</p>
<p>“(iii) The prohibition required under clause (i) shall not be construed to prohibit any bonus payment required to be paid pursuant to a writte employment contract executed on or before February 11, 2009, as such valid employment contracts are determined by the Secretary or the designee of the Secretary.” </p>
<p><b>so it looks real crappy that he is against himself!!!!</b></p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104056</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gem after Gem on AiG

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/dodd-cracks-aig---time/

This time Chris Dodd&#039;s hands are soooo dirty. :(

Obama and Dodd, Obama and Dodd, Obama and Dodd.

Why do I say this? It seems that Dodd and Obama were large recipients from many players like Fannie, Freddie and now AIG. 

The two largest recipients of any politicians.

And we just elected Obama - if only the people knew !!! :O]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gem after Gem on AiG</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/dodd-cracks-aig---time/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/dodd-cracks-aig&#8212;time/</a></p>
<p>This time Chris Dodd&#8217;s hands are soooo dirty. 🙁</p>
<p>Obama and Dodd, Obama and Dodd, Obama and Dodd.</p>
<p>Why do I say this? It seems that Dodd and Obama were large recipients from many players like Fannie, Freddie and now AIG. </p>
<p>The two largest recipients of any politicians.</p>
<p>And we just elected Obama &#8211; if only the people knew !!! :O</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/03/16/those-aig-bonuses-prove/#comment-104050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/16/AR2009031602961_pf.html :(

Amazing AIG story.

My take. The president is using his BULLY pulpit for the wrong purposes. 

Let the people BELOW him do their jobs. Or are they incapable. 

This looks like responsible reporting by the Washington Post. It should be read out loud by Obama to the people. Like &quot;My Pet Goat&quot;. 

Obama&#039;s moves in this debacle have been atrocious.]]></description>
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<p>Amazing AIG story.</p>
<p>My take. The president is using his BULLY pulpit for the wrong purposes. </p>
<p>Let the people BELOW him do their jobs. Or are they incapable. </p>
<p>This looks like responsible reporting by the Washington Post. It should be read out loud by Obama to the people. Like &#8220;My Pet Goat&#8221;. </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s moves in this debacle have been atrocious.</p>
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