Ozymandius,
I know the story and where Art probably picked it up. It’s a twist on a twist of the real truth, but I’ll give him a few more days to come clean. I have a feeling he’s running from this one, because he knows he’s stepped in it this time.

The only difference between National Socialism vs. the Communist Party in the Soviet Union: the Soviets were internationalists, while the Germans wanted socialism only for Germany.

National Socialism… Communism/Marxism… Islam… they all share a common trait: they are totalitarian cults that spread death, poverty, misery, and viciousness. It’s all about strong men who say they have a right to loot and murder.

People who cannot see this are missing a critical element of a fully functioning human being: a moral compass.

Actually, if you take the line that all Pigouvian taxes (taxes that influence behavior) lead to fascism, then it’s as Jonah Goldberg said; we are all fascists now. As are most economists apparently, since many of them favor Pigouvian taxes on things like energy and externalities. Charles Krauthammer must apparently be a fascist too, since he argued for a net-zero gas tax to change incentives for energy consumption. Changing behavior and incentives isn’t fascist, as long as it is not totalitarian.

When we start talking about wealth redistribution on the other hand, a thoroughly leftist and fascist modus operandi, then I am worried. We are drifting more from corporatism, our current model, towards Euro-Style socialism, a much stronger corporatist state.

I think we have a greater chance under Obama than under George Bush, regularly derided as a fascist goon, of adopting the “cult of personality” and the soft totalitarian mindset characteristic of fascist nations. But the fascism of old will not happen here. This is why Goldberg entitled his book “liberal fascism”, its a liberalized soft version of its big mean brother. Smiley face!

Concerning your notion on the Qu’ran, I think you need sources to back your claim. Also, Lee has done quite a bit of research into Islam and its components, so be prepared to face his knowledge.

In short, you need to be careful with your terms. I’m also sorry if I gave off the impression that I was attacking you. On review, I see no comment in my original post that would have engendered such a view on your part. Please show me if I offended you.

“I’m laughing at the superior intellect.”
Was that whole tirade for me? Here’s another line from the same movie( hey, if you can quote Pink Floyd..): “..like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.”

Actually, these abyssmally long screeds you write remind me of something else someone once said:

Mein Kampf:706 “The great speaker senses the words that he needs to use in order to impassion his audience. If he errs he has the opportunity for correction. He can read his listeners’ expressions to see if they understand, and can repeat his message until he has convinced them of the correctness of what he has said.”
Mein Kampf:706 “The great speaker will repeat his message so often, with so many examples, he will overcome objections and refute them before they are even raised.”

So I see you have read Mein Kampf, and implement it.

“Oz, you shouldn’t complain about people being condescending. You are doing a fine job making your case, and your heart is in the right spot. Artfldgr shouldn’t have fisked you (Blue on Blue, Art).”

So your “big gorilla whipping tactics” (Baah…ha…ha…ha) aren’t just for little ol’ me, but anyone who even remotely questions whether you’re the “tall poppy” around here.

And you have a lot to learn about Islam and the Qur’an. I can’t claim infinite knowledge in this realm, either. But where exactly did you get all that “Hitler rewrote the Qur’an” bullshit? Cite your sources. ( must be from that .00001% of those who tested higher than you, which you’re not arrogant about, unless you are).

lee shouldnt make it personal.. which he does… and he likes to assert things that arent true…

usually i dont fisk, but when they make it personal as to ME, not the data, then i fisk them.

the smarter people usually learn not to attack ME, but attack my facts, and such, and everything is great.

attack me, and i wll hold a magnifying glass to your perfection… for when i find one who is perfect, i will then let him cast stones at me..

certain words and definitions are not absolute and their usage depends on the emotional state of the person using them.

if lee loved me, i would be erudite, but he hates the tall poppy, so i am arrogant.

if the secretary loves me, then we will go out on a date next week, if she doesnt, i will lose my job as the request is harrasment.

in both cases, the label changes not for the wearer, but for the one putting on the labels.

he dont make it personal, i will not fisk every point. debate my ideas, not attack me. attack me i do not become a whipping boy, i whup back like a big gorrilla who has lost tolerance for a younger gorrilla who has climbed all over him and screwed aroudn too far…

its a natural thing among primates.

lee you have it inverted…

hitler rewrote the korans to give them the slant he wanted. the originals he collected (like the raiders of the lost ark) were to remove the refrerences that would clear up the cahnge. (just as the US and GERMANY created new quatrains for nostradamus!!!)

in other words, the hateful rhetoric was added, and why you get this split in the religion… (beside the tactical convenicence of such).

the originals were thought to be destroyed when the museum they were stored in was bombed to oblivion. turns out they were found a few years ago, in teh basement of a home, as they were removed when the bombng started and no one knew that survived.

the issue now is i have heard nothign after that annoncemetn. as i would guess the realiease of such would be feared to cause a shizm that would create civil war among the islamics.

but hey, history be damned. right?

MICHAEL NOSTRADAMUS (1503-1566) Nostradamus is well known for writing “prophecies” in the form of four line poems called “quatrains”. Many legends have grown about Nostradamus which aren’t true, including his being a physician (there’s no record of it), his being Jewish (he only had one Jewish grandfather, and was in fact a second generation Roman Catholic) and discovering a cure for the plague from roses (it doesn’t actually work). Nostradmus made plenty of predications that haven’t panned out. He predicted a horrible fate for English Queen Elizabeth I in his almanacs, which never came to pass, and was probably written just to please the French nobility. A trick used by fortunetellers and psychics even today is to tell people what they want to hear. His reputation as an astrologer is exaggerated, and in fact, he could not actually cast horoscopes.

similar was done with other religious texts.

the mullahs had control and it was easy once they were on board…

the issue remains that those originals predating these periods before modification have not come to light.

unlike for the actual christian bible, in which the qumran scrolls validate the level of tweaking.. (and it isnt much compared to otehrs)

You misunderstand me. We’re playing on the same team. I’m asking you to temper your words.

then i am most sorry… very sorry…

but at least some interesting commetnary came out. 🙂

However, I’m not equating it with fascism. It is merely the bud of an idea that if used in the right (or wrong) hands will lead to Italian-style fascism. But I don’t think the any official United States has the political will or popular support to create it, no matter how much they desire it. That’s what I’m saying.

could i be you have that opinion because you live in it and it was already created before you were born, and you hasvne leadned the terms and points that are valid so you could discern what your in?

the US is a fascsit state. it became one the first time it dipped into the public till to give money to some favored group over the group disfavored by the teft. since that abuse of power we have been technically fascist.

when the state taxes to control behavior, not get its fair share to do its job, then its a fascist state.

so the reason you think it cant happen here, is that there is nothing to happen.. nothing to change. just a lot more of the same you are used to and havent the knowlge to oppose.

i accept that your on the sme side.

but now you see (i hope) why stalin, hitler, mao, and otehrs marched people like me and fred into camps.

for when ther reality breaks and they realize they would come running to people like us to find out what to do… by removing us, they have no place to run to when they wake up. and its the removal of their rescuing cavalry that wakes them up!!!

Don’t shoot at your own team. Please don’t be condescending either as you have no way to gauge my education or my substance.

correct.. which is why i apologised immediately with not much in the way of mitigation or excuse.

have you read that stuff, or were youout the day your teacher diktat to you?