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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102337</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;my guess is that “Truth” is referring to Donny George. For background on this man, see this and this.&lt;/i&gt;

The main argument here is US military was on the ground, under international law US military &quot;occupied Forces&quot; should protect all the historical sites in Iraq.
What happen with Iraq museum is one part of the story, it&#039;s not all as you may know land of Iraq hosting tens of historical sites none of them US Forces and other forces failed to protect them.

If some trying to play their view by saying because a short of US solder on the ground, YES this one bit we do know that but Iraqi oil ministry was one place that US interest and protected while all the Iraqi ministries burned out...

So if there is a will or real concerns from US official what should do with Iraqi museum then they should take action not left  it for looters and gangs either insiders or internationals who came with US troops.

Btw, Neo in same talken about Gorge remember Ahmad Galabi was paid by CIA for years more that $USD400/year what fraudulent  guy he were and he is…how supported and buy your adminstartion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>my guess is that “Truth” is referring to Donny George. For background on this man, see this and this.</i></p>
<p>The main argument here is US military was on the ground, under international law US military &#8220;occupied Forces&#8221; should protect all the historical sites in Iraq.<br />
What happen with Iraq museum is one part of the story, it&#8217;s not all as you may know land of Iraq hosting tens of historical sites none of them US Forces and other forces failed to protect them.</p>
<p>If some trying to play their view by saying because a short of US solder on the ground, YES this one bit we do know that but Iraqi oil ministry was one place that US interest and protected while all the Iraqi ministries burned out&#8230;</p>
<p>So if there is a will or real concerns from US official what should do with Iraqi museum then they should take action not left  it for looters and gangs either insiders or internationals who came with US troops.</p>
<p>Btw, Neo in same talken about Gorge remember Ahmad Galabi was paid by CIA for years more that $USD400/year what fraudulent  guy he were and he is…how supported and buy your adminstartion.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102243</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee: my guess is that &quot;Truth&quot; is referring to Donny George.   For background on this man, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/17/arts.highereducation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://sandbox.blog-city.com/sandstorm_indiana_jones_or_inside_job_at_iraq_museum.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee: my guess is that &#8220;Truth&#8221; is referring to Donny George.   For background on this man, see <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/17/arts.highereducation" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://sandbox.blog-city.com/sandstorm_indiana_jones_or_inside_job_at_iraq_museum.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[someone (unnamed) had told him that he couldn’t wait till he could go inside the National Museum with US soldiers and give it a good pillage - ie, yes.

This from such a reliable source, he goes by just &quot;George&quot;.  I hear John Ramsey and O.J. are looking for someone (unnamed) too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone (unnamed) had told him that he couldn’t wait till he could go inside the National Museum with US soldiers and give it a good pillage &#8211; ie, yes.</p>
<p>This from such a reliable source, he goes by just &#8220;George&#8221;.  I hear John Ramsey and O.J. are looking for someone (unnamed) too.</p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;On June 1, George was reported in the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag as reiterating that &lt;b&gt;witnesses had seen US soldiers enter the museum on April 9, stay inside two hours and leave with some objects.&lt;/b&gt; When asked whether he believed that the US military and international art thieves had been acting in concert, George replied that &lt;b&gt;a year earlier, at a meeting in a London restaurant, someone (unnamed) had told him that he couldn&#039;t wait till he could go inside the National Museum with US soldiers and give it a good pillage - ie, yes.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On June 1, George was reported in the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag as reiterating that <b>witnesses had seen US soldiers enter the museum on April 9, stay inside two hours and leave with some objects.</b> When asked whether he believed that the US military and international art thieves had been acting in concert, George replied that <b>a year earlier, at a meeting in a London restaurant, someone (unnamed) had told him that he couldn&#8217;t wait till he could go inside the National Museum with US soldiers and give it a good pillage &#8211; ie, yes.</b></p></blockquote>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;(b) many of the thefts were inside jobs that probably occurred before the Americans even got there. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The vaults themselves were flooded prior to the team&#039;s arrival in Baghdad, but with the assistance of Mr. Jason Williams and his National Geographic crew, we pumped out the water–[it] took three weeks to pump out the water from the underground vaults–and ultimately [we] were able to gain entry into the vaults. And in a moment that can only be characterized as sheer joy, we opened each of those boxes and found the treasure of Nimrud completely there, intact.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;Months before the war, the staff moved all of the manuscripts from the museum in 337 boxes, totalling 39,453 manuscripts, parchment, vellum and the like. They moved it to a bomb shelter in western Baghdad. On April 26th, &lt;b&gt;we located that bomb shelter and began to arrange for the return of those items to the museum.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;The members of the community, when we went there, grew concerned about returning those items of the museum, again, because of the identification with the Ba&#039;ath Party. And they asked us to allow them, as a matter of honor, to keep those items in the bomb shelter, with their promise that they would provide a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week neighborhood community watch. To this day, they do that, and to this day, those items are safely kept in that bomb shelter, under the watchful protection of that community watch. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Colonel Matthew Bogdanos]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>(b) many of the thefts were inside jobs that probably occurred before the Americans even got there. </i></b></p>
<blockquote><p>The vaults themselves were flooded prior to the team&#8217;s arrival in Baghdad, but with the assistance of Mr. Jason Williams and his National Geographic crew, we pumped out the water–[it] took three weeks to pump out the water from the underground vaults–and ultimately [we] were able to gain entry into the vaults. And in a moment that can only be characterized as sheer joy, we opened each of those boxes and found the treasure of Nimrud completely there, intact.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Months before the war, the staff moved all of the manuscripts from the museum in 337 boxes, totalling 39,453 manuscripts, parchment, vellum and the like. They moved it to a bomb shelter in western Baghdad. On April 26th, <b>we located that bomb shelter and began to arrange for the return of those items to the museum.</b></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><b>The members of the community, when we went there, grew concerned about returning those items of the museum, again, because of the identification with the Ba&#8217;ath Party. And they asked us to allow them, as a matter of honor, to keep those items in the bomb shelter, with their promise that they would provide a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week neighborhood community watch. To this day, they do that, and to this day, those items are safely kept in that bomb shelter, under the watchful protection of that community watch. </b></p></blockquote>
<p>Colonel Matthew Bogdanos</p>
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		By: EBJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EBJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clean up in aisle 1!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clean up in aisle 1!</p>
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		By: Fred2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The troops were armed with grenades and automatic weapons and tanks.  This means the troops had the option of massacring the masses at point blank range or letting them loot.  I think the troops made the right decision.

If the troops had been trained as cops they would have done better, I suppose. But that came later.

&quot;Drop that vase or I&#039;ll shoot!&quot;, he said.
(Crash!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The troops were armed with grenades and automatic weapons and tanks.  This means the troops had the option of massacring the masses at point blank range or letting them loot.  I think the troops made the right decision.</p>
<p>If the troops had been trained as cops they would have done better, I suppose. But that came later.</p>
<p>&#8220;Drop that vase or I&#8217;ll shoot!&#8221;, he said.<br />
(Crash!)</p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Neo, you do know that AP stands for al Propaganda?&lt;/i&gt;

If AP is like that then here we got Hasbara!


&lt;i&gt;It seemed to spin out of control from the start and there weren’t enough forces to take control.&lt;/i&gt;

Its looks most of you living in their comfort bubble and gave their “Horses&quot; the leash to run wild.

The reality is the secure doors of Iraqi museum building were demolished by US tank (this was real report and eyewitness) then the looting start.

Some Local Iraqi even reported that US, also British tropes pursued gangs and peoples to loot openly while they standing watching them then the claimed they are not &quot;Policing Forces&quot;, while the international law have his say that the occupier military forces have the duty of secure and keep in order the life and their asset of people and their state.

Let forgot the Iraqi Museum and go further to US and Bremer himself set on Babylon site and made it a Military Camp for years none Iraqi citizen can enter the site, and look what distraction done on site where tones of soil moved and dogged why? Guess what is it’s to make Military camp of to cover the looting for that site? Make wonder.

So who are they the those looters Neoneo?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Neo, you do know that AP stands for al Propaganda?</i></p>
<p>If AP is like that then here we got Hasbara!</p>
<p><i>It seemed to spin out of control from the start and there weren’t enough forces to take control.</i></p>
<p>Its looks most of you living in their comfort bubble and gave their “Horses&#8221; the leash to run wild.</p>
<p>The reality is the secure doors of Iraqi museum building were demolished by US tank (this was real report and eyewitness) then the looting start.</p>
<p>Some Local Iraqi even reported that US, also British tropes pursued gangs and peoples to loot openly while they standing watching them then the claimed they are not &#8220;Policing Forces&#8221;, while the international law have his say that the occupier military forces have the duty of secure and keep in order the life and their asset of people and their state.</p>
<p>Let forgot the Iraqi Museum and go further to US and Bremer himself set on Babylon site and made it a Military Camp for years none Iraqi citizen can enter the site, and look what distraction done on site where tones of soil moved and dogged why? Guess what is it’s to make Military camp of to cover the looting for that site? Make wonder.</p>
<p>So who are they the those looters Neoneo?</p>
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		By: Recruiting Animal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2009/02/23/the-iraqi-museum-meme-that-will-not-die/#comment-102191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Recruiting Animal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever the details, the looting of the museum seemed to turn into a good symbol of the invasion. 

It seemed to spin out of control from the start and there weren&#039;t enough forces to take control.

It wasn&#039;t until The Surge that things seemed to turn around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the details, the looting of the museum seemed to turn into a good symbol of the invasion. </p>
<p>It seemed to spin out of control from the start and there weren&#8217;t enough forces to take control.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until The Surge that things seemed to turn around.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[forgot to add the conclusion, a bad paste job. sorry. 

NYT Article Skimmer: Recreate the Sunday Morning Paper in Your Browser

The New York Times just released an interesting new online product that tries to recreate the experience of spreading out the newspaper on Sunday morning. The new &#039;article skimmer&#039; gets back to the basics with a streamlined interface that lets you quickly scan the top headlines in every section of the Times. Basically, this is an experimental new interface for reading the Times online, though the links to the actual articles still take you to the standard NYT pages.


&lt;b&gt;so if the idea is divide, and writing this way informs two behavioral groups differently, waht are those groups, and what is the outcomes of the division?

skimmers are made up of what populatino. the smart and busy left... business men, politicians and policy people. those who feel they need to kno9w some of this, but their time is too taken up with busdiness and things to actually read everything.

and who is the other group? these are the conservatives, those who will trade articles that are worthy of reading in whole. the unemployed who have time... the bored...  and so forth... 

but the truth is that it doesnt have to work along such hard lines. it can work along soft lines knowing that your going to POLARIZE THE PROLETARIAT into fighting against each other whiel you stand above them and rob their houses. 

the people fighting the abortion issue dontr realize that the reason its not resolves is that its intended to keep them busy in a meaningless cause that neither side can effect a end result. 

all those politically active people too busy in a dead end cul de sac to actually team together with others and focus on the politicians not the policies. 

but i am way too wordy... 

can anyone show me how i could explain the principals of psyops and such to people who have no framework, belief, or natural ability? 

just leafe through this.. .and remember the political is always tied to the military. 

Psychological operations, tactics, techniques, and proceedures
ftp.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf

read enough and you start to recognize things... and when you become familiar with the games, you start to notive that its certain people or organizations that are playing them (ap, reuters - who owns them? what countries? whats their agenda?)

i will only quote one part. 

Psyop are planned operations that convery selected inforamtion and indicators to foreign target audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foriegn governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. the purpose of all psyop is to create in neutral, friendly, or hostilce foreign groups the emotions, attitudes, or desired behaviore that support the achievement of objectives. 


to our leaders, we the people are the enemy so we are the foreign targets

and to the radicals, who are basically fifth and sixth column, they are fighting a war in which they would be stopped if they used guns. 

i cant shoot your family, it would be too overt, and force will respond. 

but i sure can destroy them mentally and walk away...  i can screw with their heads, their productivity, and turn an overt violent act, into a lifetime of torture and if sociopathic, feel the power in their helplessness to stop or change their situations. 

and ya know what? not onlyu could i do that... but if i did it from an office, with political swag, i could get awards and accolades for doing it!

no group of smart people are this bad without intent. 

no group has this much bad luck without intent

and this is why my rape comment. at some point the poor victim realizes that this isnt love, but somethig else.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgot to add the conclusion, a bad paste job. sorry. </p>
<p>NYT Article Skimmer: Recreate the Sunday Morning Paper in Your Browser</p>
<p>The New York Times just released an interesting new online product that tries to recreate the experience of spreading out the newspaper on Sunday morning. The new &#8216;article skimmer&#8217; gets back to the basics with a streamlined interface that lets you quickly scan the top headlines in every section of the Times. Basically, this is an experimental new interface for reading the Times online, though the links to the actual articles still take you to the standard NYT pages.</p>
<p><b>so if the idea is divide, and writing this way informs two behavioral groups differently, waht are those groups, and what is the outcomes of the division?</p>
<p>skimmers are made up of what populatino. the smart and busy left&#8230; business men, politicians and policy people. those who feel they need to kno9w some of this, but their time is too taken up with busdiness and things to actually read everything.</p>
<p>and who is the other group? these are the conservatives, those who will trade articles that are worthy of reading in whole. the unemployed who have time&#8230; the bored&#8230;  and so forth&#8230; </p>
<p>but the truth is that it doesnt have to work along such hard lines. it can work along soft lines knowing that your going to POLARIZE THE PROLETARIAT into fighting against each other whiel you stand above them and rob their houses. </p>
<p>the people fighting the abortion issue dontr realize that the reason its not resolves is that its intended to keep them busy in a meaningless cause that neither side can effect a end result. </p>
<p>all those politically active people too busy in a dead end cul de sac to actually team together with others and focus on the politicians not the policies. </p>
<p>but i am way too wordy&#8230; </p>
<p>can anyone show me how i could explain the principals of psyops and such to people who have no framework, belief, or natural ability? </p>
<p>just leafe through this.. .and remember the political is always tied to the military. </p>
<p>Psychological operations, tactics, techniques, and proceedures<br />
<a href="http://ftp.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ftp.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf</a></p>
<p>read enough and you start to recognize things&#8230; and when you become familiar with the games, you start to notive that its certain people or organizations that are playing them (ap, reuters &#8211; who owns them? what countries? whats their agenda?)</p>
<p>i will only quote one part. </p>
<p>Psyop are planned operations that convery selected inforamtion and indicators to foreign target audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foriegn governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. the purpose of all psyop is to create in neutral, friendly, or hostilce foreign groups the emotions, attitudes, or desired behaviore that support the achievement of objectives. </p>
<p>to our leaders, we the people are the enemy so we are the foreign targets</p>
<p>and to the radicals, who are basically fifth and sixth column, they are fighting a war in which they would be stopped if they used guns. </p>
<p>i cant shoot your family, it would be too overt, and force will respond. </p>
<p>but i sure can destroy them mentally and walk away&#8230;  i can screw with their heads, their productivity, and turn an overt violent act, into a lifetime of torture and if sociopathic, feel the power in their helplessness to stop or change their situations. </p>
<p>and ya know what? not onlyu could i do that&#8230; but if i did it from an office, with political swag, i could get awards and accolades for doing it!</p>
<p>no group of smart people are this bad without intent. </p>
<p>no group has this much bad luck without intent</p>
<p>and this is why my rape comment. at some point the poor victim realizes that this isnt love, but somethig else.</b></p>
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