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		By: pst314		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now that you mention it, Scottie, I knew a lot of commies back in the 70&#039;s. Nearly every one of them that I still run into not only supports commie terrorists and tyrants but also today&#039;s fascists such as Chavez, the Syrian Baath Party, and so on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that you mention it, Scottie, I knew a lot of commies back in the 70&#8217;s. Nearly every one of them that I still run into not only supports commie terrorists and tyrants but also today&#8217;s fascists such as Chavez, the Syrian Baath Party, and so on.</p>
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		By: Scottie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For more consideration regarding the entire nazi vs communist and who is really a socialist debate - there were quite a few nazis in the old nation of East Germany who quickly and relatively painlessly switched hats after WWII and became communists and stayed in power.

In hindsight it doesn&#039;t appear to have been too great a burden on them to have made such a change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more consideration regarding the entire nazi vs communist and who is really a socialist debate &#8211; there were quite a few nazis in the old nation of East Germany who quickly and relatively painlessly switched hats after WWII and became communists and stayed in power.</p>
<p>In hindsight it doesn&#8217;t appear to have been too great a burden on them to have made such a change.</p>
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		By: pst314		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christopher Hitchens was beaten up the other day by a gang of Syrian Nazis. (The fascist Syrian Ba&#039;ath Party supports it and uses it as an enforcement arm and death squad.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Hitchens was beaten up the other day by a gang of Syrian Nazis. (The fascist Syrian Ba&#8217;ath Party supports it and uses it as an enforcement arm and death squad.)</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, the Nazis are not gone as a party:

http://www.americannaziparty.com/support/index.php

Then you have so-called &quot;libertarian&quot; sites such as American Free Press and Alex Jones&#039; Infowars.
This always riles people up, so let me clarify.  Obviously, not all those who claim to be libertarians are nazis, but many nazis call themselves &quot;libertarians&quot; to give their extreme opinions a modicum of legitimacy.  Like Ron Paul, for example.
For true libertarians, check out the Independence Institute, or Cato.
A little like communists calling themselves &quot;progressives&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the Nazis are not gone as a party:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americannaziparty.com/support/index.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americannaziparty.com/support/index.php</a></p>
<p>Then you have so-called &#8220;libertarian&#8221; sites such as American Free Press and Alex Jones&#8217; Infowars.<br />
This always riles people up, so let me clarify.  Obviously, not all those who claim to be libertarians are nazis, but many nazis call themselves &#8220;libertarians&#8221; to give their extreme opinions a modicum of legitimacy.  Like Ron Paul, for example.<br />
For true libertarians, check out the Independence Institute, or Cato.<br />
A little like communists calling themselves &#8220;progressives&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Thomass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr Says: 

&quot;by the way… chavez is not nazi, right? the nazis are gone as a party for the most part right? well how come the same old anti semitism is at the fore front?&quot;

They&#039;re the same in some ways and different in others. They were two seperate movements but yes, in some ways they can seem quite similar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;by the way… chavez is not nazi, right? the nazis are gone as a party for the most part right? well how come the same old anti semitism is at the fore front?&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the same in some ways and different in others. They were two seperate movements but yes, in some ways they can seem quite similar.</p>
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		By: Thomass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pst314 Says: 

&quot;Yes. When somebody says “Oh to be young again” I reply “but only if I won’t be stupid again.”&quot;

Yes, I&#039;d like to be young again but to know everything I know now. :) 

Then again, the reality helps create the result. Being young (regardless of wisdom) just might help make you dumb. I remember a good twighlight zone about it... a group of friends got along well in their old age (passions were tamed) but became young again, and then ran right back into their old games / bad patterns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pst314 Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;Yes. When somebody says “Oh to be young again” I reply “but only if I won’t be stupid again.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;d like to be young again but to know everything I know now. 🙂 </p>
<p>Then again, the reality helps create the result. Being young (regardless of wisdom) just might help make you dumb. I remember a good twighlight zone about it&#8230; a group of friends got along well in their old age (passions were tamed) but became young again, and then ran right back into their old games / bad patterns.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[baklava,  your points are 100% dead center correct...   and said, as always, better than i can...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>baklava,  your points are 100% dead center correct&#8230;   and said, as always, better than i can&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;And I think a new constitutional convention would pretty much end the United States as we know it. How in the hell did the collectivists manage to get so many states to sign on to that idea? Especially given the fact that most Americans have no idea about this or were consulted about it. It seems eerily like what the apparatchiks in Brussels have done to the people of Europe.&lt;/i&gt;

fred... americans are dull witted, and strategically inept... tactically the do ok...

in fact, ask the average person to define those two terms and see what happens. 

let me let you in on how it works. 

on the chess board, the opponent has to bring his forces to bear on you right in front of you. with you knowing all the variables. 

this is why the russian leaders and (leaders in the past) often loved the game of chess, or the similar ones.   (chinese chess takes it to another level, and go and such games which are different are even MORE abstract and harder to follow where a winner becomes a complete loser with the placement of one piece out of 360 or so)


once you get this concept of reality and thought and such down pat. 

you are now ready to spend time to maneuver disparate things so that they converge and &#039;happen&#039;

the soviets always said.. 

they make history. 

so they ahve ALWAYS told us that they are playing a chess convergence game.  

of course, the way they set the public up, only that which is overt and in the open exists... covert, and such is always denied and never in the discussions. 

of course, because thats where the analusis of such conversion is.  wouldnt a chess player love to be able to hide pieces?

this is why i saw the unconstitutional laws being made as a &#039;move&#039;...   of course the players will not say what the real reason is any more than bush would tell the public what the real objective of the war is.  that is a game to force the opponents to always play with their hands exposed.  (now imagine chess with one side open and the other side hidden... who has the advantage?)


when this convention happens, and i am sure it will...  the suspension of the constitution even for one minute, makes all those laws viable. 

&lt;b&gt;so you can have a law that is unconstitutional that abolishes the constitution. but since its never acted upon, its never tested... since its nver tested by a person harmed by it, and the people dont know or protest it, it stays on the books. 

the second the constitution is temporarily suspended, the law that destroys the constitutio are now valid... &lt;/b&gt;

checkmate by our own rules. 

they are playing the game to the letter of the rules, forcing us to comply with what hurts us. while we are playing by the intent and spirit of it recognizing that language is not exact. 

so which wins if the opponent refuses to hold everyone to the same level?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And I think a new constitutional convention would pretty much end the United States as we know it. How in the hell did the collectivists manage to get so many states to sign on to that idea? Especially given the fact that most Americans have no idea about this or were consulted about it. It seems eerily like what the apparatchiks in Brussels have done to the people of Europe.</i></p>
<p>fred&#8230; americans are dull witted, and strategically inept&#8230; tactically the do ok&#8230;</p>
<p>in fact, ask the average person to define those two terms and see what happens. </p>
<p>let me let you in on how it works. </p>
<p>on the chess board, the opponent has to bring his forces to bear on you right in front of you. with you knowing all the variables. </p>
<p>this is why the russian leaders and (leaders in the past) often loved the game of chess, or the similar ones.   (chinese chess takes it to another level, and go and such games which are different are even MORE abstract and harder to follow where a winner becomes a complete loser with the placement of one piece out of 360 or so)</p>
<p>once you get this concept of reality and thought and such down pat. </p>
<p>you are now ready to spend time to maneuver disparate things so that they converge and &#8216;happen&#8217;</p>
<p>the soviets always said.. </p>
<p>they make history. </p>
<p>so they ahve ALWAYS told us that they are playing a chess convergence game.  </p>
<p>of course, the way they set the public up, only that which is overt and in the open exists&#8230; covert, and such is always denied and never in the discussions. </p>
<p>of course, because thats where the analusis of such conversion is.  wouldnt a chess player love to be able to hide pieces?</p>
<p>this is why i saw the unconstitutional laws being made as a &#8216;move&#8217;&#8230;   of course the players will not say what the real reason is any more than bush would tell the public what the real objective of the war is.  that is a game to force the opponents to always play with their hands exposed.  (now imagine chess with one side open and the other side hidden&#8230; who has the advantage?)</p>
<p>when this convention happens, and i am sure it will&#8230;  the suspension of the constitution even for one minute, makes all those laws viable. </p>
<p><b>so you can have a law that is unconstitutional that abolishes the constitution. but since its never acted upon, its never tested&#8230; since its nver tested by a person harmed by it, and the people dont know or protest it, it stays on the books. </p>
<p>the second the constitution is temporarily suspended, the law that destroys the constitutio are now valid&#8230; </b></p>
<p>checkmate by our own rules. </p>
<p>they are playing the game to the letter of the rules, forcing us to comply with what hurts us. while we are playing by the intent and spirit of it recognizing that language is not exact. </p>
<p>so which wins if the opponent refuses to hold everyone to the same level?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ignorance makes everything old seem new again -Artfldgr]]></description>
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