And here’s one of your “moderate” muslim clerics (at least Newsweek thinks so).
How many renounce terrorism, Bogey?

Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me.’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”
Qur’an 9:67 “The Hypocrites enjoin what is forbidden, and forbid what Islam commands. They withhold their hands (from spending in Allah’s Cause). They have forgotten Allah so He has forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are oblivious, rebellious and perverse.”
Qur’an 9:68 “Allah has promised the Hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers the Fire of Hell for their abode: Therein shall they dwell. It will suffice them. On them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment, a lasting torment.”
Qur’an 9:74 “The Hypocrites swear by Allah that they said nothing, but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they disbelieved after Surrender (accepting Islam). They meditated a plot (to murder Prophet Muhammad) which they were unable to carry out. The reason for this revenge of theirs was the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back, Allah will punish them with a grievous torment in this life and in the Hereafter.”

I’ve provided at least ten or more Qur’an and hadith quotes backing my position. If you persist, I can provide hundreds more. So far, you have provided one to back your position, and it was out of context and shown to actually support mine. Between you and all the “experts” and “Islamic scholars”, I would think you could come up with more than that to make your case. Why don’t you (or can’t you)?

1ad ho·mi·nem Listen to the pronunciation of 1ad hominem
Pronunciation:
\(ˈ)ad-ˈhé¤-mÉ™-ËŒnem, -nÉ™m\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
New Latin, literally, to the person
Date:
1598

1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

It would be an ad hominem attack if Oblio said of BM: “He’s a leftist hack and a troll, and you can’t take seriously anything he says.” But I’ve never seen a single post from Oblio which takes this tack. Instead, Oblio does BM the compliment of analyzing his writings, and pointing out flaws of reasoning and logic. It’s not an ad hominem attack to say “your argument is specious and poorly-reasoned, and here’s why…” That’s called debate, and until BM can do it right I think he needs to go away and practice. Oh, and get a dictionary.

By the way, the above definition is from Merriam-Webster online. As Emile Faber says, “Knowledge is Good.”Check it out!

You contradict yourself, Fred. You say jihadis and clerics advocate terrorism, yet they, at the same time, threaten “retaliation” to Muslim’s who don’t renounce terrorism.

Which is it? If they advocate terror, they can’t threaten retaliation to Muslims who don’t embrace terror. Rather, it would be the opposite.

You also say “if they ever do it,” as if you are unaware of the vast majority of Muslim clerics, political leaders and secular scholars who same Islam prohibits terrorism.

You claim to have studied Islam, but anyone who has even a superficial understanding of the religion knows that the bid Ladenist are a tiny, isolated faction and that the vast majority of Muslims advocate peace and brotherhood.

Oblio: advocating retreat is another good avenue for you. That leaves two: ad hominem and advocating silence. Both suit your mentality.

Good stuff there, but he’s not gonna listen. He’s already decided we’re knuckledragging hayseeds and bigots. Matthew 7:6 indeed!

The reason why the vast majority of cultural and minimalist Muslims (what I call “the bad Muslims”) only very timidly, and with very careful statements – if they ever do it – will condemn terrorism and jihad is because they fear retaliation from jihadis and from clerics. Plus, more of them than you may realize may secretly approve. We just never really know how it all breaks down. But the facts of the 20th and 21st century so far support the observation that the vast majority of the victims of jihad terror are Muslims.

Muhammad cared not one iota for the the sacredness of life. Life was cheap to him. The only life he valued was his own, which is why he never personally was in the thick of any battle or raid. He got others to kill and be killed for him. His place was safely behind the lines. But his career was exceedingly blood-soaked. He did personally execute people, as he did participate in the execution of over 900 Jewish men and boys of the Qurayza, after they were compelled to dig a trench for their own burial. Going down the line, with his lieutenants, lopping off the heads of these men and boys.

If a Muslim publicly renounces jihad and all of Allah’s commands to kill, convert, or subdue us unbelievers, then he is my friend. If he rejects the commands of Allah to own, humiliate, and denigrate women, then he is my friend. If he is willing to declare that Muhammad was a very bad man who did frequent unspeakable sins, then he is my friend. And I will protect him.

I take great offense at some of the lame and idiotic attempts at equivalency which put Muhammad in the same class with Jesus of Nazareth. These two men are one hundred and eighty degree opposites in every way.