THe PDO is a different phenomenon than the El Nino/La Nina oscillation.

The “Pacific Decadal Oscillation” (PDO) is a long-lived El Nié±o-like pattern of Pacific climate variability. While the two climate oscillations have similar spatial climate fingerprints, they have very different behavior in time. … Two main characteristics distinguish PDO from El Nié±o/Southern Oscillation (ENSO): first, 20th century PDO “events” persisted for 20-to-30 years, while typical ENSO events persisted for 6 to 18 months; second, the climatic fingerprints of the PDO are most visible in the North Pacific/North American sector, while secondary signatures exist in the tropics – the opposite is true for ENSO.

Source: http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/

Just like one warm summer in one country is not evidence for global warming, right?

Except assertion isn’t quite right. The Northern Hemisphere winter has been plenty cold. NYC is in danger of setting new record lows, New Orleans saw a snowfall earlier than ever since the 1850s, and Seattle got snowed under several times in early December.

The biggest problem i see with global warming is that none of us reading this blog will live long enough to trust scientist again. This is a terrible blow to all lovers of the scientific method.

To be fair, not all pro-AGW sites have quite the tone of this one:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/01/open_season_on_fresh_meat.php

Realclimate.org at least, doesnt tell skeptics to “fuck off”, but I think it’s pretty indicative of just how shrill a “scientific” debate has gotten. If this isnt a religious or political debate, then you got to find a way to explain the vitriol.

This is a blog by a guy who says he’s a professor of biology at the University of Minnesota. He sounds more like and angry and immature adolescent. In the webpage Ive included above, he’s explained why he doesnt feel neither he, nor his faithful readership need to be civil towards people who dont except the AGW line.

Defending the holy word from the heretics. Oh the irony. He definitely hates creationists with a holy fever.

Is this guy fringe of the on-line climate debate? Not hardly. He was in the running for “Best Science Blog of 2008”.

Actually I love the Global Warming hoax because it illustrates how supposedly intelligent, educated folks can be very stupid. It’s the phrenology of this century.

http://www.climate-skeptic.com

It won’t matter. Global Warmers have reduced to a matter of faith whether mankinds very existence harms the world. Thats why its morphed into climate change. Whereas any fluctuation is deemed factual evidence of alteration.

This movement really has nothing to do with climate or weather. It has everything to do liberals wishing to impose a class system that insures real ingenuity never out earns the declared ingenious.

You are discouraging Token. He thought he had a bunch of pigeons in his sights.
Poor guy.

It’s quite hillarious that you assume we haven’t seen the IPCC material already. It’s been discussed and reviewed as soon as it came out and there has been quite a bit of material afterwards that YOU need to catch up on. 🙂

Sorry – late to the game and very unconvincing.

Start from the premise that we are all very well read here. Start from the premise that we have digested quite a bit of material.

OK?

AGW’s contribution amounts to a fart in a hurricane.