Comments on: Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/ A blog about political change, among other things Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:10:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: mesothelioma https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-117794 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:10:21 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-117794 Very nice. Thanks for this.

]]> By: Baklava https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97623 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:00:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97623 http://www.epa.gov/Ozone/science/sc_fact.html

I defer to the experts on this one.

I do believe however that leftists use stuff like this to promote leftist policies. Big government and ending capitalism creates more poverty…

Strengthening capitalism is what lifts more people into a higher standard of living.

]]> By: Hyman Rosen https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97238 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:05:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97238 Coincidentally, here’s a recent RealClimate on ozone depletion. It talks about the human-caused ozone depletion denialists and reports that a recent prediction by a few scientists that galactic cosmic rays significantly affect ozone depletion failed. Ozone Holes and Cosmic Rays

]]> By: Hyman Rosen https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97236 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:32:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97236 Here’s an abstract stating

In contrast to amphibole forms of asbestos, chrysotile asbestos is often claimed to be only a minor cause of malignant pleural mesothelioma, a highly fatal cancer of the lining of the thoracic cavity. In this article we examine the evidence from animal and human studies that relates to this issue. Reported data do not support widely quoted views regarding the relative inertness of chrysotile fibers in mesothelioma causation. In fact, examination of all pertinent studies makes it clear that chrysotile asbestos is similar in potency to amphibole asbestos. Since asbestos is the major cause of mesothelioma, and chrysotile constitutes 95% of all asbestos use world wide, it can be concluded that chrysotile asbestos is the main cause of pleural mesothelioma in humans.

Lie lie lie…

]]> By: sergey https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97233 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:33:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97233 See Newhouse ML, and Sullivan KR (1989). British Journal of Industrial Medicine 46(3):176-179. Conclusion is that chrysotile is not cancerogenic in concentrations occuring at workplace if adequate measures if industrial hygiene are followed.

]]> By: Baklava https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97229 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:40:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97229 yes. it seems you do Hy.

]]> By: Hyman Rosen https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97228 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:33:56 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97228 This paper from 2001 is a survey article demonstrating that chrysotile (not chrysolite) asbestos is carcinogenic.

Still the man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest

]]> By: Rose https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97224 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:09:02 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97224 Funny you should mention the Twilight Zone and Global Warming – I was thinking today about the episode where the scientists know that the sun is about to implode/explode (forget which), and that all life will be wiped out in a matter of days.

The debate is whether or not to tell the people. Because if they know, in advance, they can say goodbye, set things right with estranged family members, make peace with their maker, etc. But the downside will be hysteria and riots and suicide and angst and pain and horror. Whereas, if they do not say anything, people would go about their day happily, blissfully ignorant…

Today’s scientists have decided that they ‘know’ that what is coming is bad, and they have no such compunctions. They, in fact, WANT to scare the crap out of everyone, make everyone suffer as much as possible, make everyone feel guilty…

I think Rod Serling would find it very amusing.

]]> By: jon baker https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97202 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:12:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97202 “For example, the UN claimed 2,500 scientists supported its key claim that human-generated greenhouse gases are the primary cause of global warming. But those 2,500 weren’t asked to support it–they were only asked to review it. Only 62 completed the review, and 55 had serious concerns, leaving a total of seven to support the science that is the basis of the IPCC climate-change policy.'”

from this Canadian article: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=46999d7c-4078-4fe4-a0e0-3df0eaac0f4f&&p=1

]]> By: sergey https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97170 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:27:40 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2008/12/23/some-say-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-say-in-ice/#comment-97170 There is a very troubling history of previous environment scares, each of them being proclamed as established science and completely debunked later. The list includes:
1) DDT scare, leading to universal ban on production of this most effective and non-toxic insecticide and millions of children lives lost to malaria. As subsequent studies shown, all toxic effects to birds were caused not by DDT itself, but by impurities, other biphenoles produced by industrial method used these days, but absent in new, more advanced technologies. But demonization of the substance by amaterish journalists still prevents its use and production, and preventable lost of children lives continue.
2) Asbestos scare. This very efficient electric and thermal insulator and construction material was banned because some sorts of it caused cancer. But it became clear later that chrysolite asbestos (a variety of this mineral) is absolutely harmless, and there are many deposits of it. But the industry was destroyed, and we still pay dearly for absence of this material where it could have reduce costs and improve quality of goods.
3) Population explosion scare boosted by Roman club environmentalists. All their prognoses turned false, but this anti-human, anti-growth agenda is still alive and fuel Green demagogy.
4) Ozon hole scare and ban on production of freons by Montreal protocole. Later it was established that ozone layer depletion was a result of natural variability and has nothing to do with freons or any human activity. But billions dollars were lost, refrigeration industry in many countries wiped out, and replacing of cheap and efficient freons by more costly and less effective refrigerants still makes us pay more for worse products.
This list can be prolonged, but the pattern is the same as in present AGW scare: politization of half-baked or junk science, silencing of critics, demonization of a substance and using the public fears for political gains by international bureaucracy to the harm of industry and economics.

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