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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96923</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tatyana,
   what if what can be said cant be said to the &quot;see spot run&quot; crowd?

do you know the history of vasily mitrokhen?  can i refer to records and things?  nope... 

the sand box rules dont work. they basically tell everyone that stupid is better...

lets talk in soundbites... 
or rather sound bits...


meanwhile, is anyone else bringing up pertinent informatino in their sound bites? 

&lt;i&gt;Britain facing blackouts because of Greenie harassment of power provision

Britain could face regular blackouts within seven years if the Government does not intervene in the energy market to ensure that more power stations are built, the head of National Grid says today. In an interview with The Times, Steve Holliday, chief executive of the company that operates the power and gas transmission network, said that Britain was facing an acute shortage of generating capacity because a string of ageing nuclear and coal-fired plants were due to be retired from service. The warning came after Ofgem, the energy industry regulator, said on Friday that it was to consider fresh incentives to encourage the development of renewable energy schemes in Britain. 

Mr Holliday said that National Grid&#039;s own analysis indicated that, under a business-as-usual scenario, Britain would fail to attract enough investment in new plants and would lack sufficient generating capacity to meet peak demand around 2015. &quot;We are OK for a period of time . . . but when you go out to the medium term you can begin to see there is not enough collective generation being built in the UK. &quot;We will need to watch that very carefully over the next 18 months to ensure that window gets shut,&quot; Mr Holliday said. 
&lt;/i&gt;

where is your meaningful contribution tatyana?  oh yeah...  chastisment, but nothing to the subject. 

you realize that this rule and game basically create a situatio where every idiot is equal to the smart people?  

because the smart peopel now have to talk in tiny sound bites to be fair so taht every statement has the same relative importance. 

duh. 

why dont we just cut the human language to the 4000 or so terms needed for daily life, and forget talking about anythng else with meaning. 

for short nothigns have little meaning, but its mostly the kind of parrot talk that orwell spoke against. 

you cant discuss the energy grid and have any kind of meaningful dialogue if we are all restricted to sound bites! 

why watch a two hour movie? why not just read the three sentence sumary? 

according to tatyana, thats all ya need... 

i get tired of this... because any serious discussion cant be a tea party where everyone agrees, no one says things outside of agreement, and everyone gives short parroting to give all a chance for their empty voices to be heard. 

its a tea party version of a debate where the hostess is the totalitarian dictator... 


i looked over the posts...  generally most of the short ones are meaningless and off topic.. 

which is what i find womens general converstaions to be like, and completely unproductive... (when they allow themselves to care more about the interaction and the buzzign than the content and the meaning. women and a feminin culture are so image cargo cult its funny. which is why they are completely under represented anywhere where reality supervises their validity. like the hard sciences)

sheesh... 

dont get better and raise the bar... 
whine and have them lower it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tatyana,<br />
   what if what can be said cant be said to the &#8220;see spot run&#8221; crowd?</p>
<p>do you know the history of vasily mitrokhen?  can i refer to records and things?  nope&#8230; </p>
<p>the sand box rules dont work. they basically tell everyone that stupid is better&#8230;</p>
<p>lets talk in soundbites&#8230;<br />
or rather sound bits&#8230;</p>
<p>meanwhile, is anyone else bringing up pertinent informatino in their sound bites? </p>
<p><i>Britain facing blackouts because of Greenie harassment of power provision</p>
<p>Britain could face regular blackouts within seven years if the Government does not intervene in the energy market to ensure that more power stations are built, the head of National Grid says today. In an interview with The Times, Steve Holliday, chief executive of the company that operates the power and gas transmission network, said that Britain was facing an acute shortage of generating capacity because a string of ageing nuclear and coal-fired plants were due to be retired from service. The warning came after Ofgem, the energy industry regulator, said on Friday that it was to consider fresh incentives to encourage the development of renewable energy schemes in Britain. </p>
<p>Mr Holliday said that National Grid&#8217;s own analysis indicated that, under a business-as-usual scenario, Britain would fail to attract enough investment in new plants and would lack sufficient generating capacity to meet peak demand around 2015. &#8220;We are OK for a period of time . . . but when you go out to the medium term you can begin to see there is not enough collective generation being built in the UK. &#8220;We will need to watch that very carefully over the next 18 months to ensure that window gets shut,&#8221; Mr Holliday said.<br />
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<p>where is your meaningful contribution tatyana?  oh yeah&#8230;  chastisment, but nothing to the subject. </p>
<p>you realize that this rule and game basically create a situatio where every idiot is equal to the smart people?  </p>
<p>because the smart peopel now have to talk in tiny sound bites to be fair so taht every statement has the same relative importance. </p>
<p>duh. </p>
<p>why dont we just cut the human language to the 4000 or so terms needed for daily life, and forget talking about anythng else with meaning. </p>
<p>for short nothigns have little meaning, but its mostly the kind of parrot talk that orwell spoke against. </p>
<p>you cant discuss the energy grid and have any kind of meaningful dialogue if we are all restricted to sound bites! </p>
<p>why watch a two hour movie? why not just read the three sentence sumary? </p>
<p>according to tatyana, thats all ya need&#8230; </p>
<p>i get tired of this&#8230; because any serious discussion cant be a tea party where everyone agrees, no one says things outside of agreement, and everyone gives short parroting to give all a chance for their empty voices to be heard. </p>
<p>its a tea party version of a debate where the hostess is the totalitarian dictator&#8230; </p>
<p>i looked over the posts&#8230;  generally most of the short ones are meaningless and off topic.. </p>
<p>which is what i find womens general converstaions to be like, and completely unproductive&#8230; (when they allow themselves to care more about the interaction and the buzzign than the content and the meaning. women and a feminin culture are so image cargo cult its funny. which is why they are completely under represented anywhere where reality supervises their validity. like the hard sciences)</p>
<p>sheesh&#8230; </p>
<p>dont get better and raise the bar&#8230;<br />
whine and have them lower it.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96773</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr, I tuned out on the second sentence.

Really, you should have listened to LabRat and adopted her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atomicnerds.com/?p=1514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sandbox Rules&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr, I tuned out on the second sentence.</p>
<p>Really, you should have listened to LabRat and adopted her <a href="http://www.atomicnerds.com/?p=1514" rel="nofollow">Sandbox Rules</a>.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96670</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is one grain of sand in the desert?

What is one grain of sand in the storm?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is one grain of sand in the desert?</p>
<p>What is one grain of sand in the storm?</p>
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		By: Gray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96586</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Or the other koan that I mentioned in passing… &lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s my favorite koan that I came up with in the past year:

&quot;What is the sound of a deer in the headlights?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or the other koan that I mentioned in passing… </i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my favorite koan that I came up with in the past year:</p>
<p>&#8220;What is the sound of a deer in the headlights?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96518</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And it’s still better than seeing the dangers and realizing- we can’t do anything to avert it.

personally i dont think so... 

i have no problem with the dangers and knowing they are there...  one only cant stand it if one is coming out of the illusion that they werent their in teh first place

in other words: to face reality is not to fear reality, but to understand it. something understood, stops being as scary, even dangerous things. 

its part of what i call the princess and the pea syndrome. 

failure to expose is failure to innoculate, and so later what is minimal is perceived as extreme. 

life in fear isnt living... 

a person pretending that dangers arent there, is still living in fear, but pretending otherwise. 

only the person who stand and faces it, knows the truth, and can take it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it’s still better than seeing the dangers and realizing- we can’t do anything to avert it.</p>
<p>personally i dont think so&#8230; </p>
<p>i have no problem with the dangers and knowing they are there&#8230;  one only cant stand it if one is coming out of the illusion that they werent their in teh first place</p>
<p>in other words: to face reality is not to fear reality, but to understand it. something understood, stops being as scary, even dangerous things. </p>
<p>its part of what i call the princess and the pea syndrome. </p>
<p>failure to expose is failure to innoculate, and so later what is minimal is perceived as extreme. </p>
<p>life in fear isnt living&#8230; </p>
<p>a person pretending that dangers arent there, is still living in fear, but pretending otherwise. </p>
<p>only the person who stand and faces it, knows the truth, and can take it.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96517</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Happy for you, Neo.

We walk a thin line, all the while pacifying ourselves with false sense of security.

And it&#039;s still better than seeing the dangers and realizing- we can&#039;t do anything to avert it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy for you, Neo.</p>
<p>We walk a thin line, all the while pacifying ourselves with false sense of security.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s still better than seeing the dangers and realizing- we can&#8217;t do anything to avert it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FredHJR,
  Thanks for the good word… 

For once now I can cheer someone up!!!!!!!!!!!

I start with a question, for they bring answers and direct other questions. 

How did the people live in more horrible times, and more horrible experiences than even the future your contemplating? 

Your reletevating the horror of the potential future.  Your worried about it being so bad compared to your past. but is it worse than the actual depression in the past? no, not really, not to mention you have tons more all around you.  you may worry about the same kind of thing happeneing that happened in germany, china, and russia…   which is good, but take it one step farther and ask yourself, how did they live, how do they live. 

I will let you in on the secret…  it should set you free…   it can be found in many pieces of literature from the uplifting past, but not in modern things.   

The real secret is that the state is not as involved in your life as much as you think it is. 

That the state of the economy, while indicating change, your still in a better position than people in the past, who just survived things as they came. 

No matter what happens your life is not going to be that much different. Well, maybe different in location, material, and such, but not different in the way you actually live life. 

You wills till get up in the morning, you will still have a bunch of tasks that are abstract but lead to some form of sustenance, your still going to associate with people, and your still going to go about your business every day as you do today. 

Even if they are killing people around you and there are bodies on the streets, you will just adjust, and you will go about your business as you would any other day. The difference may be in what you pay attention to, how you choose what to do, the options that your going to loko at.   But that’s what you always do. 

So is it so hard to realize that no matter how bad it gets, your going to still operate as you always have. what you haven’t realized is the complete grokked truth of john lenins lines. 

Life is what happens to you while your busy making other plans. 

Guy… all we are really complaining about right now is that life isn’t going to follow our plans and be what we want or expect it to be! 

But if it did that, would it be LIFE !   

(not life as in its alive, but life as in worth being alive?)

For fun… tie it to the penguin skit of monty python (yes, I can link up things across the universe and blow minds, but few let me do it. ya got to ask the right questions or make the right statements, and then I spit, spout or whatever)/

Why is he standing up there? 
I don’t now, perhaps we should ask dr bloodly bronaowsky?
Why ask him?
Well, he knows everything! 
Oh.. wouldn’t like that, take all the fun out of life… 

Look at where you are now… are you one of the .05% of people that actually got to follow a plan? Or are you like most other people, who are where they are because they bumbled that way with a bias?

Just do me a favor…   stop worrying about things that haven’t been, and start enjoying the things that you have and let the future be the future. 

I will tell you the truth… 

Will the future be bad? 
Yes
Will the future be good?
Yes
What will yours be? 
Wont know till the day I die…  

The reason is the same as asking how your dokng in the stock market, or the hoaky zen koan at the end of Charlie wilsons war.. 

Or the other koan that I mentioned in passing… 

We always live between two tigers that will kill us
Sometimes we forget…. 

When we do, we feel the world is good… 
Sometimes we remember

When we do, the world seems bad

But if you accept this, and are aware of this. then you can make it always good
Because its always bad.   ïŠ

[I went out with a bhuddist once. She took me to meet the head of the temple and movement who came from korea. She thought she would learn me. well, turned out that I blew hir mind more than she could blow mine. She left the house to run an errand and left me with her mom… by the time she came back, her mom and I were singing old songs from the 20s. she cried… she had never heard her mom sing before…  we went to visit the monk..  we sat… she sat with a ok.. now teach him attitude…  but it ended up that after the conversation, he told her to learn from me… for I knew it better than everyone in the room!  that was one of the best compliments I ever got. And no I am not bhuddist]


Life is not what you make of it.. 

Life is what you make out of what your given…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FredHJR,<br />
  Thanks for the good word… </p>
<p>For once now I can cheer someone up!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I start with a question, for they bring answers and direct other questions. </p>
<p>How did the people live in more horrible times, and more horrible experiences than even the future your contemplating? </p>
<p>Your reletevating the horror of the potential future.  Your worried about it being so bad compared to your past. but is it worse than the actual depression in the past? no, not really, not to mention you have tons more all around you.  you may worry about the same kind of thing happeneing that happened in germany, china, and russia…   which is good, but take it one step farther and ask yourself, how did they live, how do they live. </p>
<p>I will let you in on the secret…  it should set you free…   it can be found in many pieces of literature from the uplifting past, but not in modern things.   </p>
<p>The real secret is that the state is not as involved in your life as much as you think it is. </p>
<p>That the state of the economy, while indicating change, your still in a better position than people in the past, who just survived things as they came. </p>
<p>No matter what happens your life is not going to be that much different. Well, maybe different in location, material, and such, but not different in the way you actually live life. </p>
<p>You wills till get up in the morning, you will still have a bunch of tasks that are abstract but lead to some form of sustenance, your still going to associate with people, and your still going to go about your business every day as you do today. </p>
<p>Even if they are killing people around you and there are bodies on the streets, you will just adjust, and you will go about your business as you would any other day. The difference may be in what you pay attention to, how you choose what to do, the options that your going to loko at.   But that’s what you always do. </p>
<p>So is it so hard to realize that no matter how bad it gets, your going to still operate as you always have. what you haven’t realized is the complete grokked truth of john lenins lines. </p>
<p>Life is what happens to you while your busy making other plans. </p>
<p>Guy… all we are really complaining about right now is that life isn’t going to follow our plans and be what we want or expect it to be! </p>
<p>But if it did that, would it be LIFE !   </p>
<p>(not life as in its alive, but life as in worth being alive?)</p>
<p>For fun… tie it to the penguin skit of monty python (yes, I can link up things across the universe and blow minds, but few let me do it. ya got to ask the right questions or make the right statements, and then I spit, spout or whatever)/</p>
<p>Why is he standing up there?<br />
I don’t now, perhaps we should ask dr bloodly bronaowsky?<br />
Why ask him?<br />
Well, he knows everything!<br />
Oh.. wouldn’t like that, take all the fun out of life… </p>
<p>Look at where you are now… are you one of the .05% of people that actually got to follow a plan? Or are you like most other people, who are where they are because they bumbled that way with a bias?</p>
<p>Just do me a favor…   stop worrying about things that haven’t been, and start enjoying the things that you have and let the future be the future. </p>
<p>I will tell you the truth… </p>
<p>Will the future be bad?<br />
Yes<br />
Will the future be good?<br />
Yes<br />
What will yours be?<br />
Wont know till the day I die…  </p>
<p>The reason is the same as asking how your dokng in the stock market, or the hoaky zen koan at the end of Charlie wilsons war.. </p>
<p>Or the other koan that I mentioned in passing… </p>
<p>We always live between two tigers that will kill us<br />
Sometimes we forget…. </p>
<p>When we do, we feel the world is good…<br />
Sometimes we remember</p>
<p>When we do, the world seems bad</p>
<p>But if you accept this, and are aware of this. then you can make it always good<br />
Because its always bad.   ïŠ</p>
<p>[I went out with a bhuddist once. She took me to meet the head of the temple and movement who came from korea. She thought she would learn me. well, turned out that I blew hir mind more than she could blow mine. She left the house to run an errand and left me with her mom… by the time she came back, her mom and I were singing old songs from the 20s. she cried… she had never heard her mom sing before…  we went to visit the monk..  we sat… she sat with a ok.. now teach him attitude…  but it ended up that after the conversation, he told her to learn from me… for I knew it better than everyone in the room!  that was one of the best compliments I ever got. And no I am not bhuddist]</p>
<p>Life is not what you make of it.. </p>
<p>Life is what you make out of what your given…</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[power was out a week here in France, after a storm in New Year 2000, but like Camo, the woodburning stove kept the house warm. 
missed lights and telly/computer, but slept for 10 hours a night.  it&#039;s an ill wind...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>power was out a week here in France, after a storm in New Year 2000, but like Camo, the woodburning stove kept the house warm.<br />
missed lights and telly/computer, but slept for 10 hours a night.  it&#8217;s an ill wind&#8230;</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/12/16/let-there-be-lights/#comment-96496</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left has a backup plan for the coming decrease in goods and services. They&#039;ll thank everyone for going &quot;green&quot; and saving the planet.

 And the idiots will be thankful to have such thoughtful leadership in charge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left has a backup plan for the coming decrease in goods and services. They&#8217;ll thank everyone for going &#8220;green&#8221; and saving the planet.</p>
<p> And the idiots will be thankful to have such thoughtful leadership in charge.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a fireplace in the living room and a wood-burning stove in the kitchen at &quot;La Casa de Camo&quot;, my rambling estate. It&#039;s good not having to worry that I&#039;ll freeze in the event of an extended power failure...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a fireplace in the living room and a wood-burning stove in the kitchen at &#8220;La Casa de Camo&#8221;, my rambling estate. It&#8217;s good not having to worry that I&#8217;ll freeze in the event of an extended power failure&#8230;</p>
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