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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Gordon, I&#039;ve read one Repairman Jack book and thought it was a great ride - maybe you and I should form a book club. Putting more of them on my Kindle list now (I&#039;d forgotten about Jack)...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Gordon, I&#8217;ve read one Repairman Jack book and thought it was a great ride &#8211; maybe you and I should form a book club. Putting more of them on my Kindle list now (I&#8217;d forgotten about Jack)&#8230;</p>
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		By: Norma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My group is in its 26th year.  We too read Bees and DaVinci--I skipped both nights. We select in May for the next Sept-May, and it works out pretty even--someone usually pleads for a classic, I always go for non-fiction and have had pretty good luck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My group is in its 26th year.  We too read Bees and DaVinci&#8211;I skipped both nights. We select in May for the next Sept-May, and it works out pretty even&#8211;someone usually pleads for a classic, I always go for non-fiction and have had pretty good luck.</p>
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		By: douglas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At first blush, you&#039;d think that in joining a book club, it&#039;d be considered a good thing that you might be asked to read books you might not normally expose yourself to.  I suppose, that is until you get exposed to the latest &#039;water cooler buzz&#039; best seller that you would have stayed away from for good reason.  I know, if I joined one, it&#039;d be because I could use more impetus to read more non-fiction, but I&#039;d try to find a group focusing on the classics more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first blush, you&#8217;d think that in joining a book club, it&#8217;d be considered a good thing that you might be asked to read books you might not normally expose yourself to.  I suppose, that is until you get exposed to the latest &#8216;water cooler buzz&#8217; best seller that you would have stayed away from for good reason.  I know, if I joined one, it&#8217;d be because I could use more impetus to read more non-fiction, but I&#8217;d try to find a group focusing on the classics more.</p>
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		By: Paul Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jamie, likewise.

If they&#039;re not on your list, you should add...

F. Paul Wilson
  (&quot;The Keep&quot;, others of the Adversary Cycle and the Repairman Jack series. Extremely readable, and Jack is a lot of fun as well)

Douglas Preston&#039;s and Lincoln Child&#039;s collaborations (especially the Pendergast series).  I also like Preston&#039;s solo novels.

Although this might alter your opinion of me, there they are, FWIW  :-)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, likewise.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re not on your list, you should add&#8230;</p>
<p>F. Paul Wilson<br />
  (&#8220;The Keep&#8221;, others of the Adversary Cycle and the Repairman Jack series. Extremely readable, and Jack is a lot of fun as well)</p>
<p>Douglas Preston&#8217;s and Lincoln Child&#8217;s collaborations (especially the Pendergast series).  I also like Preston&#8217;s solo novels.</p>
<p>Although this might alter your opinion of me, there they are, FWIW  🙂<br />
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		By: PapaMAS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, people can certainly be petty and strange; that&#039;s why I steer away from a lot of things. I can put up with a lot if I get more out of being in a group than not.  But some people tend to use groups for some reason other than getting together with friends or other interesting people, or learning something. Being introverted I am very sensitive to that kind of thing. 

Everyone needs to be careful to make sure the groups they join are what they want. We are fortunate to live in an age where we do not have to depend on others for everything. It&#039;s a lot different than in centuries past where you had to belong to a certain church and do certain things or people simply would not deal with you. Being in groups can bring out the repressive little Hitler in people. (As an aside, I have always wondered whether that kind of behavior was more conscious than not. Many people are one way one-on-one and quite another when part of a group. Is that more of an unconscious thing, like how some people behave when they become parents? That is, they do stuff not because they have thought it out and are choosing the right way but because that&#039;s what they saw their parents do?)

Like Mrs Whatsit said, I don&#039;t feel the need to use a book club as an excuse to discuss something I read or get together with folks I like. Years ago I was the self-appointed social director of my group of friends. Every month I would put together a little gathering for dinner and drinks for the lot of us and anyone who wanted to tag along. A very strange role, indeed, for a strident introvert. But, if I did not do it, it would not get done. Proof of that is my buds did not carry on with it after I moved away. I suppose that is the reason for neo&#039;s pretext of discussing books. Having a reason to gather at a certain place and time can be helpful. Sort of like when I hired a personal trainer. Her expertise was very valuable but the main thing was motivation. Having a set time to be at the gym to do stuff helped me focus and not dog it too much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, people can certainly be petty and strange; that&#8217;s why I steer away from a lot of things. I can put up with a lot if I get more out of being in a group than not.  But some people tend to use groups for some reason other than getting together with friends or other interesting people, or learning something. Being introverted I am very sensitive to that kind of thing. </p>
<p>Everyone needs to be careful to make sure the groups they join are what they want. We are fortunate to live in an age where we do not have to depend on others for everything. It&#8217;s a lot different than in centuries past where you had to belong to a certain church and do certain things or people simply would not deal with you. Being in groups can bring out the repressive little Hitler in people. (As an aside, I have always wondered whether that kind of behavior was more conscious than not. Many people are one way one-on-one and quite another when part of a group. Is that more of an unconscious thing, like how some people behave when they become parents? That is, they do stuff not because they have thought it out and are choosing the right way but because that&#8217;s what they saw their parents do?)</p>
<p>Like Mrs Whatsit said, I don&#8217;t feel the need to use a book club as an excuse to discuss something I read or get together with folks I like. Years ago I was the self-appointed social director of my group of friends. Every month I would put together a little gathering for dinner and drinks for the lot of us and anyone who wanted to tag along. A very strange role, indeed, for a strident introvert. But, if I did not do it, it would not get done. Proof of that is my buds did not carry on with it after I moved away. I suppose that is the reason for neo&#8217;s pretext of discussing books. Having a reason to gather at a certain place and time can be helpful. Sort of like when I hired a personal trainer. Her expertise was very valuable but the main thing was motivation. Having a set time to be at the gym to do stuff helped me focus and not dog it too much.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Gordon, you sound like my kinda guy. I&#039;m an inveterate re-reader (of the same authors as you, plus some) and I also enjoyed &lt;i&gt;DaVinci Code&lt;/i&gt; while I was reading it but - this being my standard - had no urge whatsoever to acquire it so I could re-read it. And can&#039;t remember a thing about it except some kind of floor tile gimmick.

My book club started as a protest against the &quot;A List&quot; book club in the &#039;hood - we called ourselves the &quot;B List Book Club,&quot; which eventually morphed into the &quot;PJ Book Club&quot; as our attire got less and less street-appropriate. But what we ought to call ourselves is the &quot;Book Club Where Everybody Except One Person Hates Each Book.&quot; It&#039;s gotten amusing: we have two &quot;ayatollahs,&quot; both very pleasant women and eclectic readers, who pretty much run the show on what we&#039;ll read. The rest of us go along to get along, and inevitably when we get around to discussing the book (which is after the first glass of wine and the first forty-five minutes of gossip - none of which I mind; sometimes it&#039;s the only time I&#039;ve talked to these friends all month), there&#039;s one, &lt;i&gt;maybe&lt;/i&gt; two people in the group who actually liked the book. Everyone else talks about how boring, depressing, ridiculous, or pretentious it was.

I love it! And in the summer we read &lt;i&gt;Twilight&lt;/i&gt;, which was &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; bad but &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; much fun. I&#039;m still re-reading it, to relive my teenage years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Gordon, you sound like my kinda guy. I&#8217;m an inveterate re-reader (of the same authors as you, plus some) and I also enjoyed <i>DaVinci Code</i> while I was reading it but &#8211; this being my standard &#8211; had no urge whatsoever to acquire it so I could re-read it. And can&#8217;t remember a thing about it except some kind of floor tile gimmick.</p>
<p>My book club started as a protest against the &#8220;A List&#8221; book club in the &#8216;hood &#8211; we called ourselves the &#8220;B List Book Club,&#8221; which eventually morphed into the &#8220;PJ Book Club&#8221; as our attire got less and less street-appropriate. But what we ought to call ourselves is the &#8220;Book Club Where Everybody Except One Person Hates Each Book.&#8221; It&#8217;s gotten amusing: we have two &#8220;ayatollahs,&#8221; both very pleasant women and eclectic readers, who pretty much run the show on what we&#8217;ll read. The rest of us go along to get along, and inevitably when we get around to discussing the book (which is after the first glass of wine and the first forty-five minutes of gossip &#8211; none of which I mind; sometimes it&#8217;s the only time I&#8217;ve talked to these friends all month), there&#8217;s one, <i>maybe</i> two people in the group who actually liked the book. Everyone else talks about how boring, depressing, ridiculous, or pretentious it was.</p>
<p>I love it! And in the summer we read <i>Twilight</i>, which was <i>so</i> bad but <i>so</i> much fun. I&#8217;m still re-reading it, to relive my teenage years.</p>
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		By: mrs whatsit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was in a book group (co-educational -- I didn&#039;t realize that&#039;s unusual) for quite a few years. I quit when I realized that while I love reading, I don&#039;t love talking about it. Reading is too individual and solitary an enterprise to work in a group, at least for me. The book group experience reminded me of having to write those detestable book reports in elementary school, having to convert the transporting excitement of some wonderful story into a mundane formulaic summary that vacuumed all of the magic right out of the book. Years later, in book group, it was just as depressing to have to finish some book I hadn&#039;t chosen by a deadline I couldn&#039;t control, just so I could yak about it over wine and cheese when I didn&#039;t want to have to think about it any more. 

Now I&#039;m back to the freedom of reading what I want to read, when I want to read it, and talking about reading only with the particular people that I think might enjoy a particular book or have an interesting insight about it. And when I want to have dinner with a bunch of friends, I can do that, too -- without pretending that books are the reason. It&#039;s working out very nicely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a book group (co-educational &#8212; I didn&#8217;t realize that&#8217;s unusual) for quite a few years. I quit when I realized that while I love reading, I don&#8217;t love talking about it. Reading is too individual and solitary an enterprise to work in a group, at least for me. The book group experience reminded me of having to write those detestable book reports in elementary school, having to convert the transporting excitement of some wonderful story into a mundane formulaic summary that vacuumed all of the magic right out of the book. Years later, in book group, it was just as depressing to have to finish some book I hadn&#8217;t chosen by a deadline I couldn&#8217;t control, just so I could yak about it over wine and cheese when I didn&#8217;t want to have to think about it any more. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m back to the freedom of reading what I want to read, when I want to read it, and talking about reading only with the particular people that I think might enjoy a particular book or have an interesting insight about it. And when I want to have dinner with a bunch of friends, I can do that, too &#8212; without pretending that books are the reason. It&#8217;s working out very nicely.</p>
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		By: br549		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you think Readers&#039; Digest &quot;How to Fix Just About Anything&quot; would ever be chosen for a book of the month? It sure seems to me to be a good use of time, if one wishes to spend spare time reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Readers&#8217; Digest &#8220;How to Fix Just About Anything&#8221; would ever be chosen for a book of the month? It sure seems to me to be a good use of time, if one wishes to spend spare time reading.</p>
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		By: Rather Read		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve given presentations to book clubs, but never joined one, and I don&#039;t think I ever will.  I am way too independent and most of the Oprahesque books that clubs tend to choose are exactly the kind of book I don&#039;t read.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve given presentations to book clubs, but never joined one, and I don&#8217;t think I ever will.  I am way too independent and most of the Oprahesque books that clubs tend to choose are exactly the kind of book I don&#8217;t read.</p>
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		By: Paul Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I actually found &quot;The Da Vinci Code&quot; enjoyable &lt;i&gt;while I was reading it&lt;/i&gt;, but totally forgettable afterward, with no interest whatever in reading it again.

This from a person who enjoys re-reading Heinlein, Rowling, Brian Freemantle (The Charlie Muffin books), and many others.

The Da Vinci Code is the literary equivalent of Chinese food;  an hour later you&#039;r hungry again (but for something else).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually found &#8220;The Da Vinci Code&#8221; enjoyable <i>while I was reading it</i>, but totally forgettable afterward, with no interest whatever in reading it again.</p>
<p>This from a person who enjoys re-reading Heinlein, Rowling, Brian Freemantle (The Charlie Muffin books), and many others.</p>
<p>The Da Vinci Code is the literary equivalent of Chinese food;  an hour later you&#8217;r hungry again (but for something else).<br />
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