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By: Lee

Lee — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:40:36 +0000

And Bogey,
You never addressed what you thought about the Arab states occupying Palestine, rather than setting up a Palestinean state where the U.N. declared one, in the West Bank and Gaza.

By: Lee

Lee — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:36:11 +0000

Bogey Man,
So, let me get this straight…If the Israelis kill so many Palestineans there aren’t many left in comparison to the Israelis, then they will have earned “legitimacy” for the land, as your ancestors have against mine. Will you just shut up, then? Or, will you say since there are survivors, they still have a claim?
Warfare nearly led to my people’s destruction. Peaceful coexistence has preserved them to this day. If I had lived back then, I probably would have fought(with your “moral” support”. Thanks for nothing.). I would hope that I would have seen eventually that continuing against insurmountable odds would lead to noghtng but death for my people.
How about you Bogey? If I demand a rent check for your use of my land, will you shoot me, or just ignore me since I don’t make a “competing ethnic group”?
Actually, you probably wouldn’t shoot me…you’d tell the military or law enforcement to “clear me off”, while you sat on my land and decried their methods. The best of both worlds….a righteous thief.

By: Bogey Man

Bogey Man — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:46:43 +0000

Lee,

Europeans annihilated native Americans and very nearly completed genocide against them. It’s arguable that the genocide was completed, in that native Americans no longer exist in anywhere near numbers large enough to form a competing ethnic group, let alone a nation.

It is telling, and rather obviously unwitting, that you chose to cast the Palestinians in that same role for comparison, knowing surely that Palestinians do exist in numbers large enough to form a competing nation . In fact, they are the MAJORITY in Palestine.

If native Americans were a majority, America would “belong” to them in exactly the same sense it now belongs to the caucasian majority.

If I were around in the 17th and 18th centuries, when the genocide was getting going, I would hope that I would have opposed it, for exactly the same reasons I now oppose Israeli steps aimed at annihilating Palestine.

How about you, Lee? Were you around back then, would you have opposed the genocide, or have counseled pacifism as the only acceptable response from Native Americans.

By: Lee

Lee — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:01:02 +0000

Bogey Man,
Were you crying this much when Palestine was occupied for 20 years by the Jordanians and the Egyptians? Where was Palestine’s right to exist then? Why, when Arab states “protected” them did they not have a state of their own? Apparently they were happy enough as a stateless people when provided with tanks and artillery and airplanes to kill Israelis. Now, suddenly they are “repressed” now that Israel has taken away or destroyed their conventional ability to kill Israelis, and occupy the land to make sure they continue to be so berift while they continue to desire the deaths of Israelis. If you cede your land to an ally for a staging area for their army, don’t be surprised if your enemy wins and takes it themselves, to prevent your land from becoming a staging area.
Not to mention you seem to be avoiding my question to you why it is ok for you to live on occupied land not your people’s to begin with, American.

By: Bogey Man

Bogey Man — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:08:11 +0000

Apologies for all caps.

By: Bogey Man

Bogey Man — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:07:43 +0000

What then Gringo, did you mean by this:

Have we returned to Germany the land it lost in the last two World Wars? Has the PRC returned control of the mainland to Taiwan?
Are you not saying Israel shouldn’t return Palestinian land it has occupied? And if they don’t return the land, how can not represent the destruction of Palestine as a nation?

And this:
What, then, did you mean by this:

Only a fool dressed in Israeli clothing would want to have such a neighbor. …the Israelis are correct in denying “right of return.”

If your view is that Israel has a right to prevent Palestinians from being their neighbors, how do they possibly achieve that without destroying the Palestinian state? Moreover, for the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Egypt and elsewhere, waiting to return to their homes, the denial of that right amounts to the destruction of their homeland.

It’s really a simple question I keep coming back to and you keep ignoring. What would you have Palestinians do? Surrender unconditionally? Embrace pacifism? Passive resistance? Or keep fighting, but just without suicide bombers?

You say that the dialogue is pointless. I say there never was a dialog, as you repeatedly ignored a very simple, direct, relevant question I asked.

By: Gringo

Gringo — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:59:23 +0000

@Bogey Man: According to you Israel not only seeks the destruction of Palestine, it has already achieved it and the Palestinians are to blame merely for trying to prevent the forgone conclusion. You have misrepresented what I have stated. Here is what I previously stated.

“The issue is that while the Israelis have expressed their willingness to live with a Palestinian state, both by statements and by their act of withdrawing from Gaza, the Palestinians see the creation of a Palestinian state as an interim solution, until the borders of Palestine go from ‘the river to the sea.’ Such as: the Palestine map in Abbas’s office and Hamas.”

(Such as the mission statement of Hamas.) If you want argue that Palestinians must compromise shouldn’t you ease off the claims that Israel has every right to annihilate them? Again, you have misrepresented what I have stated. Nowhere did I state “that Israel has every right to annihilate them,” nor anything close to that. I see no further point in “dialogue” with someone who misrepresents what I say. I am reminded of the integrity of Arafat, who to US and European audiences would say that a Palestinian state would respect the existence of the State of Israel and live in peace with it, and to Arab/Muslim audiences would say that the creation of a Palestinian state was the precursor to the destruction of the State of Israel.