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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar, your point has some merit, and I agree with the value statement that people matter most.  

However, when people ignore or deny the relevant facts, bad things tend to happen as a consequence, which ends up hurting people even more. It is possible to live in ignorance and denial, but I don&#039;t recommend it.  Ultimately, reality wins, no matter what people want to believe.

I feel great indignation when people make up facts to suit their positions, and when they suppress real facts to protect their interests.  I am a realist:  people will lie, and they do lie.  But it seems to me that people who lie (let&#039;s call it what it is) demonstrate contempt for the people to whom they lie.  

This is particularly important in politics, because politics involves the exercise of power, and that implies the ability to hurt people.  At its worst, we have seen regimes for whom lying is an essential part of their ethical set and tactics leave large numbers of bodies on the ground.  

If anything, there should be greater sanctions for lying in politics than for lying in your private life, as the number of people thereby injured is much, much larger.  For my part, I can&#039;t see how utilitarian lying in pursuit of material goals could ever be anything other than profoundly unethical and damaging to the health of society.  Perhaps you will make the counter-argument.

So at best, Ymarsakar, I think you have a half-truth, and I continue to share Neo&#039;s sense of outrage over the systematic lying and misrepresentation in the Ayers Affair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar, your point has some merit, and I agree with the value statement that people matter most.  </p>
<p>However, when people ignore or deny the relevant facts, bad things tend to happen as a consequence, which ends up hurting people even more. It is possible to live in ignorance and denial, but I don&#8217;t recommend it.  Ultimately, reality wins, no matter what people want to believe.</p>
<p>I feel great indignation when people make up facts to suit their positions, and when they suppress real facts to protect their interests.  I am a realist:  people will lie, and they do lie.  But it seems to me that people who lie (let&#8217;s call it what it is) demonstrate contempt for the people to whom they lie.  </p>
<p>This is particularly important in politics, because politics involves the exercise of power, and that implies the ability to hurt people.  At its worst, we have seen regimes for whom lying is an essential part of their ethical set and tactics leave large numbers of bodies on the ground.  </p>
<p>If anything, there should be greater sanctions for lying in politics than for lying in your private life, as the number of people thereby injured is much, much larger.  For my part, I can&#8217;t see how utilitarian lying in pursuit of material goals could ever be anything other than profoundly unethical and damaging to the health of society.  Perhaps you will make the counter-argument.</p>
<p>So at best, Ymarsakar, I think you have a half-truth, and I continue to share Neo&#8217;s sense of outrage over the systematic lying and misrepresentation in the Ayers Affair.</p>
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		By: sierra		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93625</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...&quot;disappeared in 1969 after two of their colleagues in the Weather Underground died while building a bomb&quot;...

Correction: three people died:  Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins, also guilty as hell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;disappeared in 1969 after two of their colleagues in the Weather Underground died while building a bomb&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Correction: three people died:  Diana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins, also guilty as hell.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93595</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Neo-Neocon, Ayers matters because the facts matters. Lawrence Duggan, Ed Murrow’s friend, matters because the facts matters.&lt;/b&gt;

People matter more than facts: both for the good and the evil. The facts, thus, only matter because it concerns people and their fates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Neo-Neocon, Ayers matters because the facts matters. Lawrence Duggan, Ed Murrow’s friend, matters because the facts matters.</b></p>
<p>People matter more than facts: both for the good and the evil. The facts, thus, only matter because it concerns people and their fates.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93594</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Main Stream Media is making money off the blood and bodies of the innocent and downtrodden, Neo. As to be expected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Main Stream Media is making money off the blood and bodies of the innocent and downtrodden, Neo. As to be expected.</p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93299</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;facts matter&quot;  good typing would help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;facts matter&#8221;  good typing would help.</p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93295</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.&quot;   

Neo-Neocon, Ayers matters because the facts matters.  Lawrence Duggan, Ed Murrow&#039;s friend, matters because the facts matters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.&#8221;   </p>
<p>Neo-Neocon, Ayers matters because the facts matters.  Lawrence Duggan, Ed Murrow&#8217;s friend, matters because the facts matters.</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nyomythus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He was being interviewed on NPR this afternoon say, &quot;...we didn&#039;t do enough.&quot; If there was, or ever should be,  a battlefield to meet him on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was being interviewed on NPR this afternoon say, &#8220;&#8230;we didn&#8217;t do enough.&#8221; If there was, or ever should be,  a battlefield to meet him on&#8230;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan: At this point my battle with Ayers is about Ayers himself, not Obama.  The latter connection is moot, in practical terms, because Obama has been elected---unless, of course, he were to appoint Ayers to some position as adviser, which I do not think is at all likely to happen.

Ayers still matters, as I wrote before, because of his influence on American education.  His connection to Obama matters at this point only insofar as Obama might do things as President to further that radical agenda for education, as Obama did in the past when he served with Ayers on Annenberg.  Ayers also matters in terms of the question of how it is that this guy could become an authority on education, of all things, and a respected member of the academic community.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: At this point my battle with Ayers is about Ayers himself, not Obama.  The latter connection is moot, in practical terms, because Obama has been elected&#8212;unless, of course, he were to appoint Ayers to some position as adviser, which I do not think is at all likely to happen.</p>
<p>Ayers still matters, as I wrote before, because of his influence on American education.  His connection to Obama matters at this point only insofar as Obama might do things as President to further that radical agenda for education, as Obama did in the past when he served with Ayers on Annenberg.  Ayers also matters in terms of the question of how it is that this guy could become an authority on education, of all things, and a respected member of the academic community.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly Says: 

&quot;Here’s the Zogby poll from HowObamaGotElected dotcom.&quot;

The really funny one was the Obamabots thought Palin said &#039;57 states&#039;. Because it fits the media narrative that she is an idiot...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;Here’s the Zogby poll from HowObamaGotElected dotcom.&#8221;</p>
<p>The really funny one was the Obamabots thought Palin said &#8217;57 states&#8217;. Because it fits the media narrative that she is an idiot&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[logern,
  &lt;i&gt;That he won’t need briefings, for example, to every single CIA investigation going on is true, but that wasn’t the nature of your dumba&#038;&#038; statement since you seem to think we will somehow be sufficiently protected from the rogue President.&lt;/i&gt;

you OBVIOUSLY took the evilyn woodhead sped redding curse...  

i responded to a person who said that obama gets to look at everything. i informed them that no he doesnt. i didnt say that this was armor against him knowing something, but that it was showing that he doesnt get EVERYTHING.  

you agree with me that he doesnt get everything. i never said that this was protection, only that its not as bad as if he got everything. 

so who is the dumba&#038;&#038; now?

you would have been better off keeping your mouth shut and not letting us know who the real dumba&#038;&#038; is. 

reading comprehension is a key skill, pleasue use it and things will go a lot smoother for everyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>logern,<br />
  <i>That he won’t need briefings, for example, to every single CIA investigation going on is true, but that wasn’t the nature of your dumba&amp;&amp; statement since you seem to think we will somehow be sufficiently protected from the rogue President.</i></p>
<p>you OBVIOUSLY took the evilyn woodhead sped redding curse&#8230;  </p>
<p>i responded to a person who said that obama gets to look at everything. i informed them that no he doesnt. i didnt say that this was armor against him knowing something, but that it was showing that he doesnt get EVERYTHING.  </p>
<p>you agree with me that he doesnt get everything. i never said that this was protection, only that its not as bad as if he got everything. </p>
<p>so who is the dumba&amp;&amp; now?</p>
<p>you would have been better off keeping your mouth shut and not letting us know who the real dumba&amp;&amp; is. </p>
<p>reading comprehension is a key skill, pleasue use it and things will go a lot smoother for everyone.</p>
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