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		By: Bo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-98148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Tertium Quid		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90352</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tertium Quid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manners are like clothes.  For every person you would like to see without clothes, there are hundreds you would beg to keep their clothes on.

Our elites today assume that we want to see them naked: their politics, their passions, their hatreds, their obsessions, their stuff, etc.  No thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manners are like clothes.  For every person you would like to see without clothes, there are hundreds you would beg to keep their clothes on.</p>
<p>Our elites today assume that we want to see them naked: their politics, their passions, their hatreds, their obsessions, their stuff, etc.  No thanks.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90275</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miss Manners (whom I prefer to Emily Post) wrote a book about American etiquette, going back to our Revolutionary beginnings and pointing out that the American Revolution made necessary not just new economic and political norms but new social ones as well. We were, if not class-free, at least class-challenged: no longer was a person&#039;s class sufficient to understand that person, nor an excuse for treating that person in one way or another. Modes of address changed; modes of dress changed; modes of personal interaction changed. 

American etiquette, she maintains, is the ultimate liberating social tool, because it &lt;i&gt;requires&lt;/i&gt; that everyone be treated with a certain baseline of civility, and then proposes a merit-based (or sometimes age-based, but not money-based or title-based except as title comes via merit) hierarchy for distinguishing between individuals in an etiquette sense. The business of forks is so secondary as to be almost (but not quite) quaint. (I LOVE Miss Manners.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Manners (whom I prefer to Emily Post) wrote a book about American etiquette, going back to our Revolutionary beginnings and pointing out that the American Revolution made necessary not just new economic and political norms but new social ones as well. We were, if not class-free, at least class-challenged: no longer was a person&#8217;s class sufficient to understand that person, nor an excuse for treating that person in one way or another. Modes of address changed; modes of dress changed; modes of personal interaction changed. </p>
<p>American etiquette, she maintains, is the ultimate liberating social tool, because it <i>requires</i> that everyone be treated with a certain baseline of civility, and then proposes a merit-based (or sometimes age-based, but not money-based or title-based except as title comes via merit) hierarchy for distinguishing between individuals in an etiquette sense. The business of forks is so secondary as to be almost (but not quite) quaint. (I LOVE Miss Manners.)</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90228</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t wish to lead us to overcomplicated paths, but I see a distinction between two strains of &quot;proper&quot; social behavior (I can&#039;t decide which should be called &lt;i&gt;manners&lt;/i&gt; and which &lt;i&gt;ettiquette&lt;/i&gt;).  Treating people with courtesy and dignity - simple politeness - should not be a class marker, but a cultural universal.

But because &quot;courtesies&quot; are often elaborate and artificial -  the word &quot;curtsy&quot; comes from it - only those who were wealthy enough to have leisure time could afford to invest the time in these arcane arts.  They thus became associated with the wealthy, who had an interest in making them as difficult as possible for the lower classes to imitate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t wish to lead us to overcomplicated paths, but I see a distinction between two strains of &#8220;proper&#8221; social behavior (I can&#8217;t decide which should be called <i>manners</i> and which <i>ettiquette</i>).  Treating people with courtesy and dignity &#8211; simple politeness &#8211; should not be a class marker, but a cultural universal.</p>
<p>But because &#8220;courtesies&#8221; are often elaborate and artificial &#8211;  the word &#8220;curtsy&#8221; comes from it &#8211; only those who were wealthy enough to have leisure time could afford to invest the time in these arcane arts.  They thus became associated with the wealthy, who had an interest in making them as difficult as possible for the lower classes to imitate.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to write a lot that this stuff was important (etiquette), but was mostly lambasted for it like length]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to write a lot that this stuff was important (etiquette), but was mostly lambasted for it like length</p>
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		By: Darrell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90135</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickL: I think we are past the political hiatus so you will love this one too from the same guys, key words &quot;you broke him!&quot;  Broken Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQu8ccNiBU]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickL: I think we are past the political hiatus so you will love this one too from the same guys, key words &#8220;you broke him!&#8221;  Broken Obama:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQu8ccNiBU" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQu8ccNiBU</a></p>
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		By: Flatlander		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90131</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flatlander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, there is a subtle smile on your grandmother&#039;s face, don&#039;t you think?  She certainly has a much more attractive demeanor in the photo than does Ms. Post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there is a subtle smile on your grandmother&#8217;s face, don&#8217;t you think?  She certainly has a much more attractive demeanor in the photo than does Ms. Post.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90125</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Darrell:

That is funny as hell.]]></description>
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<p>That is funny as hell.</p>
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		By: dane		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90109</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes - elevator etiquette is a very interesting phenomenon - etiquette born out of fear.  

Interesting that Sergey mentions &quot;net etiquette&quot; .  I find it very amusing (in a disturbing sort of way) that the same people who will chastise you over the internet for using all caps (or some MINOR infraction) are probably out there Bogarting (hey that tells my age) parking spaces, shoving in line, and letting their kids run amok (thanks Dr. Spock).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; elevator etiquette is a very interesting phenomenon &#8211; etiquette born out of fear.  </p>
<p>Interesting that Sergey mentions &#8220;net etiquette&#8221; .  I find it very amusing (in a disturbing sort of way) that the same people who will chastise you over the internet for using all caps (or some MINOR infraction) are probably out there Bogarting (hey that tells my age) parking spaces, shoving in line, and letting their kids run amok (thanks Dr. Spock).</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/10/25/separated-at-birth-etiquette-who-needs-it/#comment-90090</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is also worth to mention that the advent of Internet gave rise to &quot;net etiquette&quot;, absolutelly necessary to proper use of it. That is how we discern and excommunicate trolls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also worth to mention that the advent of Internet gave rise to &#8220;net etiquette&#8221;, absolutelly necessary to proper use of it. That is how we discern and excommunicate trolls.</p>
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