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		By: kamper		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84402</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s no secret who wrote Palin&#039;s speech. It was Mathew Scully, a former Bush speechwriter. 

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1838808,00.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no secret who wrote Palin&#8217;s speech. It was Mathew Scully, a former Bush speechwriter. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1838808,00.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1838808,00.html</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84349</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar, 
we do not know that she didnt write her speech. we assume today that they dont, but that isnt necessarily true...   palin came from a start in which she didnt have support and literally had to do it all herself, includng speech writing.   when people come up the new normal way, lifted and manipulated up, they get provided by party all kinds of things. Palin however, is not exaclty liked by the corrupt elements of either party and as a threatening independent who could return to a life without penalty leaving the state, they dont provide for her. 

in this case, till i hear who wrote that speech i will assume she did.   can someone tell me or find out so? 

main reason is because arbument from assumption is too much like argument from fantasy...  they are equivalent if the assumption fits the fantasy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,<br />
we do not know that she didnt write her speech. we assume today that they dont, but that isnt necessarily true&#8230;   palin came from a start in which she didnt have support and literally had to do it all herself, includng speech writing.   when people come up the new normal way, lifted and manipulated up, they get provided by party all kinds of things. Palin however, is not exaclty liked by the corrupt elements of either party and as a threatening independent who could return to a life without penalty leaving the state, they dont provide for her. </p>
<p>in this case, till i hear who wrote that speech i will assume she did.   can someone tell me or find out so? </p>
<p>main reason is because arbument from assumption is too much like argument from fantasy&#8230;  they are equivalent if the assumption fits the fantasy.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84245</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The guy they voted for has been in office for the last eight years hasn’t he?&lt;/b&gt;

Indeed. Kerry has been in office for the last eight years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The guy they voted for has been in office for the last eight years hasn’t he?</b></p>
<p>Indeed. Kerry has been in office for the last eight years.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84244</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama worked great without a teleprompter, Neo. WHich is why Palin must be attacked for reading a speech not her own. My god, what could be done if the issue of her ad lib skills were put into the public conscience?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama worked great without a teleprompter, Neo. WHich is why Palin must be attacked for reading a speech not her own. My god, what could be done if the issue of her ad lib skills were put into the public conscience?</p>
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		By: UpNights		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84242</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UpNights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is delicious that, after Obama vaulted over Hillary (reenacting the sort of promotions of younger, less-experienced men over his grandmother that he and his wife like to talk about to relate to women), he is now being outshone by a younger, female star.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is delicious that, after Obama vaulted over Hillary (reenacting the sort of promotions of younger, less-experienced men over his grandmother that he and his wife like to talk about to relate to women), he is now being outshone by a younger, female star.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I wrote, a scrolling problem.  The only question is whether minor or more serious.  Seems as though it was minor.  But it sure didn&#039;t make it any &lt;i&gt;easier&lt;/i&gt; for her to deliver her speech with aplomb.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palin-overcame-teleprompter-problems-missing-hard-copies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s some further elucidation&lt;/a&gt; on the scrolling problem.  It wasn&#039;t major, but it was disconcerting---the machine seems to have gone past the first one or two sentences in each paragraph.  Would make it very hard to keep one&#039;s equanimity, but she seems to have done so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I wrote, a scrolling problem.  The only question is whether minor or more serious.  Seems as though it was minor.  But it sure didn&#8217;t make it any <i>easier</i> for her to deliver her speech with aplomb.</p>
<p><a href="http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palin-overcame-teleprompter-problems-missing-hard-copies/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s some further elucidation</a> on the scrolling problem.  It wasn&#8217;t major, but it was disconcerting&#8212;the machine seems to have gone past the first one or two sentences in each paragraph.  Would make it very hard to keep one&#8217;s equanimity, but she seems to have done so.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2008/09/04/the-sarah-palin-broken-teleprompter-myth.html

turns out to be a jigger... or not...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2008/09/04/the-sarah-palin-broken-teleprompter-myth.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2008/09/04/the-sarah-palin-broken-teleprompter-myth.html</a></p>
<p>turns out to be a jigger&#8230; or not&#8230;</p>
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		By: kamper		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84211</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kamper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Teleprompter did not malfunction during Palin&#039;s speech. At several points late in the speech the Teleprompter was clearly visible, and it was current with what she was saying. It struck me because it seemed a strange thing to show - it always diminishes any speech in my mind. I know this was late in the speech because I only saw the last 15 minutes on TV, I listened to the first part on radio in the car.  

Jonathan Martin at Politico confirms that it didn&#039;t malfunction. 

&quot;This claim has been picked up on Drudge and could quickly enter into the insta-mythmaking about a speech that need not be embroidered.

Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to the stage, within easy eyeshot of the teleprompter. I frequently looked up at the machine, and there was no serious malfunction. A top convention planner confirms this morning that there were no major problems.&quot; 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html?showall]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Teleprompter did not malfunction during Palin&#8217;s speech. At several points late in the speech the Teleprompter was clearly visible, and it was current with what she was saying. It struck me because it seemed a strange thing to show &#8211; it always diminishes any speech in my mind. I know this was late in the speech because I only saw the last 15 minutes on TV, I listened to the first part on radio in the car.  </p>
<p>Jonathan Martin at Politico confirms that it didn&#8217;t malfunction. </p>
<p>&#8220;This claim has been picked up on Drudge and could quickly enter into the insta-mythmaking about a speech that need not be embroidered.</p>
<p>Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to the stage, within easy eyeshot of the teleprompter. I frequently looked up at the machine, and there was no serious malfunction. A top convention planner confirms this morning that there were no major problems.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html?showall" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html?showall</a></p>
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		By: MartyH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartyH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Recruiting Animal-

When you recruit, what do you look for on the resume? Accomplishments. Palin&#039;s are this: she was appointed to a political plum position. She saw corruption, resigned, and blew the whistle. She then ran for governor, beating the sitting governor in the primary and then a former governor in the general. Once governor, she cut spending and reduced earmark requests. When I moved to Alaska thrity years ago, there was talk of building a gas pipeline. No progress had been made since that time. Since Palin began serving, she negotiated an agreement to build one. This will bring jobs to Alaska and energy to the US. Her next goal was to make Alaska autonomous, like other States. Because the Federal government owns so much land, Federalism does not really work in Alaska. Properly managed, Alaska should be a huge net benefit to the US Treasury-its resources are enormous. Instead, it&#039;s a drain becaus the land is locked up. Politicians focus on &quot;Bridges to Nowhere&quot; to get votes because the Federal government makes it really hard to create jobs. Her next major gaol, again, was changing that relationship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recruiting Animal-</p>
<p>When you recruit, what do you look for on the resume? Accomplishments. Palin&#8217;s are this: she was appointed to a political plum position. She saw corruption, resigned, and blew the whistle. She then ran for governor, beating the sitting governor in the primary and then a former governor in the general. Once governor, she cut spending and reduced earmark requests. When I moved to Alaska thrity years ago, there was talk of building a gas pipeline. No progress had been made since that time. Since Palin began serving, she negotiated an agreement to build one. This will bring jobs to Alaska and energy to the US. Her next goal was to make Alaska autonomous, like other States. Because the Federal government owns so much land, Federalism does not really work in Alaska. Properly managed, Alaska should be a huge net benefit to the US Treasury-its resources are enormous. Instead, it&#8217;s a drain becaus the land is locked up. Politicians focus on &#8220;Bridges to Nowhere&#8221; to get votes because the Federal government makes it really hard to create jobs. Her next major gaol, again, was changing that relationship.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/04/obama-and-palin-astaire-and-rogers-after-the-divorce/#comment-84195</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The prompter failed for palin during the speech, turns out she works well with or without one. 

on churchill... well, did you know that all his speeches fill 8 volumes containing more than 4 million words? 

I guess we lost something when we got vassals to do all the work around the person, rather than only rely on what the person does and nothing else. 

i have also known that everyone hasnt realized that the definition of sexism has expanded till we cant operate equally. we no longer can actually tell sexism from other behaviors. 

obama is not a good speaker, he is a good actor who when he has a telepromter can act while reading. he can work on his working the crowd. which is why he falls apart when he is on his own and he is not wearing the clothes that others make for him. palin, as mentioned above, carryed on without anyone noticing prompter problems. so i would say that she has the skill, obama mimics the skill in ideal situations. 

&lt;i&gt;She relies more on humor and “just-folks” charm, while conveying a sense of authenticity about her common-woman origins that reminds me of the best of country music. &lt;/i&gt;

i think what your reffering to used to be called &quot;salt of the earth&quot;. 


this is opinion:
&quot;she did everything Astaire did, only backwards and in high heels.&quot;  ah, but she did one more thing, and he did too that they both didnt do. he led, and she could take a lead and be guided. the skill is one of letting go and trusting. his is to coordinate, time, position, and a whole lot of other things, so that he can create the situation for her to be in that state so that the audience takes up her mood since they are most focused on the woman. 

on another note the saying you refer to is from a comic strip that appeared in 1982. &quot;she did everything Astaire did, only backwards and in high heels&quot;.  
www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Ginger/images9/ginger_frankernesttoon.jpg
&lt;i&gt;This Frank and Ernest cartoon is reportedly the origin of the now-famous statement often wrongly attributed to Ginger herself, that she did everything Fred Astaire did, only backwards and in high heels. Former Governor of Texas, Ann Richards, is also often wrongly credited for this quote, because she used it in her keynote address to the Democratic National Convention in 1988.&lt;/i&gt;
it was also said by bette midler i think when she played the part of dixie in a movie that spanned the life of two show people. 


the main difference i see between the two of them is that obama is a poser, he has a huge team that provides for him. palin outdid hiim without that whole big machine behind her working in her favor to the point of blatant appearance. 

as this goes forward, she is going to end up like teflon. there really isnt anything that obama can say, and there is no limit in what she can volley back at the other side being that nothing she does would be seen as bad when she returns back home.  

she literally has no hard ties and so does not have the limits of the deals and the favors and what is owed thoses that helped you forward. she can clean up, and given that her road to stardom was laid out slamming the corrupt and jailing them. the dems may be quaking more than we realize. she may decide to become americas sweetheart by undoing a lot of stuff that they have been slowly sliding by. 

the left doesnt really know what to do. their worst mistake was letting obama square off with her as if she was running for president. lifts her up, pushes him dowm. all the stuff in the press you have heard now has been what people have been able to make up or tactic themselves. in a week or two it will have a more reasoned movement. no one has yet been told by keepers what angle to take, what point to hammer, etc.  its this gap between the position from above, and the actions of those below who want to act and have no handed direction. they tend to take the initiative, the extreme, and set them back. its a pattern. 

probably the tactic later will be one of ignoring her. not addressing her, but focusing on addressing mccain where they can score points. there really isnt anything else in their playbook to counter her, so the best they can do is minimize her. dont bring her up in speeches, so that press can ignore referring to her. rely on disproportionate coverage to shrink her down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prompter failed for palin during the speech, turns out she works well with or without one. </p>
<p>on churchill&#8230; well, did you know that all his speeches fill 8 volumes containing more than 4 million words? </p>
<p>I guess we lost something when we got vassals to do all the work around the person, rather than only rely on what the person does and nothing else. </p>
<p>i have also known that everyone hasnt realized that the definition of sexism has expanded till we cant operate equally. we no longer can actually tell sexism from other behaviors. </p>
<p>obama is not a good speaker, he is a good actor who when he has a telepromter can act while reading. he can work on his working the crowd. which is why he falls apart when he is on his own and he is not wearing the clothes that others make for him. palin, as mentioned above, carryed on without anyone noticing prompter problems. so i would say that she has the skill, obama mimics the skill in ideal situations. </p>
<p><i>She relies more on humor and “just-folks” charm, while conveying a sense of authenticity about her common-woman origins that reminds me of the best of country music. </i></p>
<p>i think what your reffering to used to be called &#8220;salt of the earth&#8221;. </p>
<p>this is opinion:<br />
&#8220;she did everything Astaire did, only backwards and in high heels.&#8221;  ah, but she did one more thing, and he did too that they both didnt do. he led, and she could take a lead and be guided. the skill is one of letting go and trusting. his is to coordinate, time, position, and a whole lot of other things, so that he can create the situation for her to be in that state so that the audience takes up her mood since they are most focused on the woman. </p>
<p>on another note the saying you refer to is from a comic strip that appeared in 1982. &#8220;she did everything Astaire did, only backwards and in high heels&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Ginger/images9/ginger_frankernesttoon.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.reelclassics.com/Actresses/Ginger/images9/ginger_frankernesttoon.jpg</a><br />
<i>This Frank and Ernest cartoon is reportedly the origin of the now-famous statement often wrongly attributed to Ginger herself, that she did everything Fred Astaire did, only backwards and in high heels. Former Governor of Texas, Ann Richards, is also often wrongly credited for this quote, because she used it in her keynote address to the Democratic National Convention in 1988.</i><br />
it was also said by bette midler i think when she played the part of dixie in a movie that spanned the life of two show people. </p>
<p>the main difference i see between the two of them is that obama is a poser, he has a huge team that provides for him. palin outdid hiim without that whole big machine behind her working in her favor to the point of blatant appearance. </p>
<p>as this goes forward, she is going to end up like teflon. there really isnt anything that obama can say, and there is no limit in what she can volley back at the other side being that nothing she does would be seen as bad when she returns back home.  </p>
<p>she literally has no hard ties and so does not have the limits of the deals and the favors and what is owed thoses that helped you forward. she can clean up, and given that her road to stardom was laid out slamming the corrupt and jailing them. the dems may be quaking more than we realize. she may decide to become americas sweetheart by undoing a lot of stuff that they have been slowly sliding by. </p>
<p>the left doesnt really know what to do. their worst mistake was letting obama square off with her as if she was running for president. lifts her up, pushes him dowm. all the stuff in the press you have heard now has been what people have been able to make up or tactic themselves. in a week or two it will have a more reasoned movement. no one has yet been told by keepers what angle to take, what point to hammer, etc.  its this gap between the position from above, and the actions of those below who want to act and have no handed direction. they tend to take the initiative, the extreme, and set them back. its a pattern. </p>
<p>probably the tactic later will be one of ignoring her. not addressing her, but focusing on addressing mccain where they can score points. there really isnt anything else in their playbook to counter her, so the best they can do is minimize her. dont bring her up in speeches, so that press can ignore referring to her. rely on disproportionate coverage to shrink her down.</p>
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