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		By: The New Centrist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84748</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The New Centrist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BVCurtis, all of the conservatives I know (actual people, not shibboleths) do not deny that teens have sex and women get pregnant before they get married. The difference is what happens next?

1) Aborting the baby?
2) Deciding to have the baby?

If the choice is made to have the baby, what comes after that?

1) Father skips out of the picture and mom goes on welfare?
2) Father marries mom and works his ass off to support the wife and child?

From my experience, conservatives work hard to convince women to keep their children (or allow them to be adopted) and for the man to step up to the plate and be a husband and father. We used to call them shotgun weddings.

Teen pregnancy is certainly an issue for conservatives, but the majority of social and economic problems result from children being brought up without fathers. Some would go so far as to claim that it is the single most important factor in determining life outcomes.

--The New Centrist]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BVCurtis, all of the conservatives I know (actual people, not shibboleths) do not deny that teens have sex and women get pregnant before they get married. The difference is what happens next?</p>
<p>1) Aborting the baby?<br />
2) Deciding to have the baby?</p>
<p>If the choice is made to have the baby, what comes after that?</p>
<p>1) Father skips out of the picture and mom goes on welfare?<br />
2) Father marries mom and works his ass off to support the wife and child?</p>
<p>From my experience, conservatives work hard to convince women to keep their children (or allow them to be adopted) and for the man to step up to the plate and be a husband and father. We used to call them shotgun weddings.</p>
<p>Teen pregnancy is certainly an issue for conservatives, but the majority of social and economic problems result from children being brought up without fathers. Some would go so far as to claim that it is the single most important factor in determining life outcomes.</p>
<p>&#8211;The New Centrist</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84164</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Such as the  Obama bundler who attempted to storm the stage during Palin’s speech? Any such equivalent behavior from Republicans during Obama’s speech? Hell, no.&lt;/b&gt;

This is like how come Americans don&#039;t use suicide tactics to kill civilians and why our rules of engagement doesn&#039;t permit the torture and summary executions of people we find on the battlefield.

Winning the war between two different factions that use two different means of warfare, that has nothing to do with it.

The important issue is ensuring that one side gets all the advantages while the other side gets all the criticisms and NONE of the advantages. In fact, they will get the criticism for a tactic but get none of the advantages from that tactic at the same time, while the other side gets none of the criticism but all of the advantages.

That&#039;s the goal. The goal isn&#039;t to help America win. The goal is to beat us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Such as the  Obama bundler who attempted to storm the stage during Palin’s speech? Any such equivalent behavior from Republicans during Obama’s speech? Hell, no.</b></p>
<p>This is like how come Americans don&#8217;t use suicide tactics to kill civilians and why our rules of engagement doesn&#8217;t permit the torture and summary executions of people we find on the battlefield.</p>
<p>Winning the war between two different factions that use two different means of warfare, that has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>The important issue is ensuring that one side gets all the advantages while the other side gets all the criticisms and NONE of the advantages. In fact, they will get the criticism for a tactic but get none of the advantages from that tactic at the same time, while the other side gets none of the criticism but all of the advantages.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the goal. The goal isn&#8217;t to help America win. The goal is to beat us.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84147</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nick: 
&lt;i&gt; I don’t know. I think her speech would have been more effective if they had had her refrain from the attacks on Obama. &lt;/i&gt;

Nick, as Obama  attacked his opponents in HIS acceptance speech, he didn’t follow your advice. Any comments?  Or is it that Democrats are permitted to attack, but not Republicans? 

Such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/top-obama-bundler-attempts-to-storm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Obama bundler&lt;/a&gt;   who attempted to storm the stage during Palin’s speech? Any such equivalent behavior from Republicans during Obama’s speech? Hell, no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:<br />
<i> I don’t know. I think her speech would have been more effective if they had had her refrain from the attacks on Obama. </i></p>
<p>Nick, as Obama  attacked his opponents in HIS acceptance speech, he didn’t follow your advice. Any comments?  Or is it that Democrats are permitted to attack, but not Republicans? </p>
<p>Such as the <a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/top-obama-bundler-attempts-to-storm.html" rel="nofollow"> Obama bundler</a>   who attempted to storm the stage during Palin’s speech? Any such equivalent behavior from Republicans during Obama’s speech? Hell, no.</p>
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		By: kungfu		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84146</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I missed the speech. I was up with a sick two year old.  But it&#039;s fascinating to read the diametrically opposed views from left and right bloggers.  If you only read one side you would think it was either ridiculous or awe inspiring.

My take at this point: The right is praying she&#039;s a Gipper and not a Quayle.  The left will hammer at her carefully, but the intent is to really characterize McCain as foolish and incompetent.  They want to keep this election about McCain and Obama. If the GOP continues to characterize Palin as a populous hero, the Dems are in trouble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the speech. I was up with a sick two year old.  But it&#8217;s fascinating to read the diametrically opposed views from left and right bloggers.  If you only read one side you would think it was either ridiculous or awe inspiring.</p>
<p>My take at this point: The right is praying she&#8217;s a Gipper and not a Quayle.  The left will hammer at her carefully, but the intent is to really characterize McCain as foolish and incompetent.  They want to keep this election about McCain and Obama. If the GOP continues to characterize Palin as a populous hero, the Dems are in trouble.</p>
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		By: Jungle Mom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84142</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jungle Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Conservatism is back... And it wears lipstick!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatism is back&#8230; And it wears lipstick!</p>
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		By: Recruiting Animal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84139</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even if you don&#039;t agree with her positions there&#039;s no denying she is a surprisingly good speaker. I was blown away by her confidence and relaxed manner. She doesn&#039;t use any stentorian tricks yet makes her points very well. She was incredibly and, again, surprisingly, good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you don&#8217;t agree with her positions there&#8217;s no denying she is a surprisingly good speaker. I was blown away by her confidence and relaxed manner. She doesn&#8217;t use any stentorian tricks yet makes her points very well. She was incredibly and, again, surprisingly, good.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Living in Connecticut, one is obliged to follow UConn basketball.   A few years back the school was blessed with Diana Taurasi; probably the best woman player.  Geno Auriemma was being interviewed in October about the chances for another national title.  He put on his Philly wiseguy smirk and said, &quot;We have Diana, and they don&#039;t.&quot;

As a Republican, I would now like to declare, &quot;We have Sarah, and they don&#039;t!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in Connecticut, one is obliged to follow UConn basketball.   A few years back the school was blessed with Diana Taurasi; probably the best woman player.  Geno Auriemma was being interviewed in October about the chances for another national title.  He put on his Philly wiseguy smirk and said, &#8220;We have Diana, and they don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a Republican, I would now like to declare, &#8220;We have Sarah, and they don&#8217;t!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84135</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[excellent!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent!</p>
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		By: Toes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84132</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;... that is how many of us independent-minded people think and we’d take the centrist part of RNC and DNC with us.... I urge everyone to look at non-partisan analyses of our candidates economic, foreign policy, and social/societal plans. Reread the Constitution and see who is upholding it. Forget the Hannity’s and Olbermann’s of the world and decide for yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You won&#039;t see that kind of behaviour broadly adopted without media literacy, media reform, and a massive change agenda shared by government and citizen groups.

Check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nps.gov/archive/liho/debates.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lincoln-Douglas debates from 1858&lt;/a&gt; and the substantive content (even in the heckles from the floor). Why were debates 150 years ago so much more substantive than they are today?

btw, BVCurtis, NeoNeocon is a media pundit...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; that is how many of us independent-minded people think and we’d take the centrist part of RNC and DNC with us&#8230;. I urge everyone to look at non-partisan analyses of our candidates economic, foreign policy, and social/societal plans. Reread the Constitution and see who is upholding it. Forget the Hannity’s and Olbermann’s of the world and decide for yourself.</p></blockquote>
<p>You won&#8217;t see that kind of behaviour broadly adopted without media literacy, media reform, and a massive change agenda shared by government and citizen groups.</p>
<p>Check out the <a href="http://www.nps.gov/archive/liho/debates.htm" rel="nofollow">Lincoln-Douglas debates from 1858</a> and the substantive content (even in the heckles from the floor). Why were debates 150 years ago so much more substantive than they are today?</p>
<p>btw, BVCurtis, NeoNeocon is a media pundit&#8230;</p>
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		By: goesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/09/03/first-impressions-of-palins-speech/#comment-84131</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sure the he** wouldn&#039;t want to submit an inflated travel voucher to her Administration!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure the he** wouldn&#8217;t want to submit an inflated travel voucher to her Administration!!</p>
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