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		By: acjwberger		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/08/14/political-disagreement-can-these-marriages-be-saved/#comment-113099</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[acjwberger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am in a mixed marriage.  I a liberal, he a republican. We are having a hard time.  I am called stupid, dumb and some names I will not mention.  I have stopped answering the phone when he calls ( he is away from home most of the week), because he listens to talk radio and just rants and raves about liberals.  We spend what little time we are in the same house in different rooms to avoid talking.  I never belittled him when Bush was in office, but have had to like through 8 years of Clinton and now Obama being degraded.  I have lost all respect for my husband and am considering leaving him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in a mixed marriage.  I a liberal, he a republican. We are having a hard time.  I am called stupid, dumb and some names I will not mention.  I have stopped answering the phone when he calls ( he is away from home most of the week), because he listens to talk radio and just rants and raves about liberals.  We spend what little time we are in the same house in different rooms to avoid talking.  I never belittled him when Bush was in office, but have had to like through 8 years of Clinton and now Obama being degraded.  I have lost all respect for my husband and am considering leaving him.</p>
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		By: Freeman Hunt		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/08/14/political-disagreement-can-these-marriages-be-saved/#comment-82421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freeman Hunt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When my husband and I got married, we were a mixed marriage.  He was a conservative, and I was a very strident leftist.  We had many, many heated political arguments with me doing most of the heating.  Now I&#039;m probably quite a bit more conservative than he is.  

We have some fun memories from the mixed marriage time.  We still laugh about the time, soon after we got married, that I asked, &quot;So, you&#039;re a conservative?&quot;

&quot;Well, yeah.&quot;

&quot;You make me sick!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my husband and I got married, we were a mixed marriage.  He was a conservative, and I was a very strident leftist.  We had many, many heated political arguments with me doing most of the heating.  Now I&#8217;m probably quite a bit more conservative than he is.  </p>
<p>We have some fun memories from the mixed marriage time.  We still laugh about the time, soon after we got married, that I asked, &#8220;So, you&#8217;re a conservative?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, yeah.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You make me sick!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Obloodyhell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/08/14/political-disagreement-can-these-marriages-be-saved/#comment-82317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obloodyhell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; Perhaps it’s the fact that even though they disagree, they both share an intense love of politics and positively relish the fray.

Speaking from the lofty perch outside of any such situation, I believe that it&#039;s partly a key requirement for ANY marriage: R-E-S-P-E-C-T. As long as the two people respect each other, there&#039;s no real problem.

&#062;  I am not going to convert her, and she is not going to convert me. So what is the point of trying?

It&#039;s not a matter of conversion, it&#039;s a matter of the Reality Check. How good are your positions if you never test them against the ideas of the opposition? How good is the basis of your beliefs if you never allow them to be challenged by the unbeliever? Further, &quot;facts&quot; change. Ideas used as the basis for consideration are sometimes later found to be false, or other overwhelming but invalidating arguments are found to be true. By forcing yourself to re-validate, you identify any problem areas where you cling to old inaccuracies by simple human inertia. Plus the mind&#039;s reasoning faculties are no different than muscles -- it does &#039;em good to get a workout regularly.

My own experience is that most of the arguments favored by those on The Left stand up to scrutiny like a wet paper towel in the Big Easy on 08/29/05. 

It&#039;s not hard to get them agreeing, either. 

But they inevitably use the Liberal Reset Button to set their views back to Officially Defined Liberal Positions(tm) every midnight, so such concurrence generally doesn&#039;t stick.

But in the meantime, you&#039;ve gotten both the Reality Check and a good mental workout...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Perhaps it’s the fact that even though they disagree, they both share an intense love of politics and positively relish the fray.</p>
<p>Speaking from the lofty perch outside of any such situation, I believe that it&#8217;s partly a key requirement for ANY marriage: R-E-S-P-E-C-T. As long as the two people respect each other, there&#8217;s no real problem.</p>
<p>&gt;  I am not going to convert her, and she is not going to convert me. So what is the point of trying?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of conversion, it&#8217;s a matter of the Reality Check. How good are your positions if you never test them against the ideas of the opposition? How good is the basis of your beliefs if you never allow them to be challenged by the unbeliever? Further, &#8220;facts&#8221; change. Ideas used as the basis for consideration are sometimes later found to be false, or other overwhelming but invalidating arguments are found to be true. By forcing yourself to re-validate, you identify any problem areas where you cling to old inaccuracies by simple human inertia. Plus the mind&#8217;s reasoning faculties are no different than muscles &#8212; it does &#8217;em good to get a workout regularly.</p>
<p>My own experience is that most of the arguments favored by those on The Left stand up to scrutiny like a wet paper towel in the Big Easy on 08/29/05. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to get them agreeing, either. </p>
<p>But they inevitably use the Liberal Reset Button to set their views back to Officially Defined Liberal Positions(tm) every midnight, so such concurrence generally doesn&#8217;t stick.</p>
<p>But in the meantime, you&#8217;ve gotten both the Reality Check and a good mental workout&#8230;</p>
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		By: DonS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, where does Mr. Neo-Neocon fall with respect to politics? 

My wife was a Democrat when I met her. She is now an Independent who mostly votes for Republicans. However, she wasn&#039;t hard-core about politics, so I had a chance of converting her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, where does Mr. Neo-Neocon fall with respect to politics? </p>
<p>My wife was a Democrat when I met her. She is now an Independent who mostly votes for Republicans. However, she wasn&#8217;t hard-core about politics, so I had a chance of converting her.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/08/14/political-disagreement-can-these-marriages-be-saved/#comment-82154</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey - Liberty Dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are actions today which have influence on the future, and there are intentions.  The Bush-haters assume Bush is evil, first, then interpret his actions, and the results, based on that assumption.  But they do it with good rhetoric, while the conservatives look at the results and claim the facts show that liberal policies are misguided, based on the stated goals of the liberals arguing for the policies.  This is ugly / boring/ complicated rhetoric, plus it doesn&#039;t feel as good.

Now that I&#039;m happy with an extremely intelligent conservative woman, we can agree to disagree about my desire for drugs to be legalized (to reduce murders, etc., despite likely increasing addictions).  I think in discussing policies, most conservatives are fare mor aware of the possible bad consequences of any policy, than are liberals (and big-gov&#039;t supporters, in general).

What makes many conservatives outraged is the assumed &quot;moral superiority&quot; of the PC folk.  This has become a hotter and hotter hot button issue.  The culture war is a battle for defining what is moral.  

The Bush-hate was merely a prelude for McCain hate, and a disguise for Republican-hate.  Anybody who genuinely hated Bush, but now seems to hate McCain, should be asked which Republican they wouldn&#039;t hate?  I guess they would have trouble with that question.

I don&#039;t hate Barry.  I do think Iran will get a nuke if he gets elected, and that a nuke will be used against an Israeli city (Tel Aviv) -- so I&#039;m against him.  I suspect the US economy would be a bit better with him, because the minority Reps would fight the worst economic junk, even tho the higher taxes would mean less job creation/ raises; the US could probably use a real recession to more rapdidly make adjustments.

The Supreme Court becoming more big-gov&#039;t liberal would be terrible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are actions today which have influence on the future, and there are intentions.  The Bush-haters assume Bush is evil, first, then interpret his actions, and the results, based on that assumption.  But they do it with good rhetoric, while the conservatives look at the results and claim the facts show that liberal policies are misguided, based on the stated goals of the liberals arguing for the policies.  This is ugly / boring/ complicated rhetoric, plus it doesn&#8217;t feel as good.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m happy with an extremely intelligent conservative woman, we can agree to disagree about my desire for drugs to be legalized (to reduce murders, etc., despite likely increasing addictions).  I think in discussing policies, most conservatives are fare mor aware of the possible bad consequences of any policy, than are liberals (and big-gov&#8217;t supporters, in general).</p>
<p>What makes many conservatives outraged is the assumed &#8220;moral superiority&#8221; of the PC folk.  This has become a hotter and hotter hot button issue.  The culture war is a battle for defining what is moral.  </p>
<p>The Bush-hate was merely a prelude for McCain hate, and a disguise for Republican-hate.  Anybody who genuinely hated Bush, but now seems to hate McCain, should be asked which Republican they wouldn&#8217;t hate?  I guess they would have trouble with that question.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate Barry.  I do think Iran will get a nuke if he gets elected, and that a nuke will be used against an Israeli city (Tel Aviv) &#8212; so I&#8217;m against him.  I suspect the US economy would be a bit better with him, because the minority Reps would fight the worst economic junk, even tho the higher taxes would mean less job creation/ raises; the US could probably use a real recession to more rapdidly make adjustments.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court becoming more big-gov&#8217;t liberal would be terrible.</p>
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		By: greeneyeshade		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/08/14/political-disagreement-can-these-marriages-be-saved/#comment-82144</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greeneyeshade]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[conservatives thinking liberals are stupid while liberals think conservatives are evil? i&#039;ve seen comments about liberals on this and other right-of-center sites that ... well, i don&#039;t even recognize the real-life people i argue with! there&#039;s enough on both sides to make you sick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conservatives thinking liberals are stupid while liberals think conservatives are evil? i&#8217;ve seen comments about liberals on this and other right-of-center sites that &#8230; well, i don&#8217;t even recognize the real-life people i argue with! there&#8217;s enough on both sides to make you sick.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As strcpy mentioned, political differences might be the result of personality differences, of differences in world view.
So it&#039;s not the White Sox or the Cubs.  It could be, although that&#039;s not what we&#039;re talking about.

The issue is not the political differences, but the personality differences which cause them.  And a major political change may mean either a change in personality or world view, or a manifestation of a personality component which, in other times, was not particularly important.

I have a relation who suffers from BDS.  Among other things, she blames the Texas high school football overemphasis on Bush. Irrational.  She has always &quot;thought&quot; by whatever was warm/fuzzy vs. whatever was sharp-edged.  Her three daughters are the same.  They are, it goes without saying, liberal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As strcpy mentioned, political differences might be the result of personality differences, of differences in world view.<br />
So it&#8217;s not the White Sox or the Cubs.  It could be, although that&#8217;s not what we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>The issue is not the political differences, but the personality differences which cause them.  And a major political change may mean either a change in personality or world view, or a manifestation of a personality component which, in other times, was not particularly important.</p>
<p>I have a relation who suffers from BDS.  Among other things, she blames the Texas high school football overemphasis on Bush. Irrational.  She has always &#8220;thought&#8221; by whatever was warm/fuzzy vs. whatever was sharp-edged.  Her three daughters are the same.  They are, it goes without saying, liberal.</p>
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		By: Lincoln		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lincoln]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gringo, should have figured.  I hate teenagers.  When I was a teenager I hated myself too.

He&#039;ll come to his senses someday maybe.  But then again I came to my senses when I was only 5.  =D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo, should have figured.  I hate teenagers.  When I was a teenager I hated myself too.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll come to his senses someday maybe.  But then again I came to my senses when I was only 5.  =D</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lincoln, on Peter’s website, you can find the following quote.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; My recent favorite for sparking up controversy has been the blog neo-neocon, which is where I got the kool aid comments.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
He’s a bright high school kid.  Yes, he lacks the perspective that real-world experience can give an adult.  It would not be a bad idea to take that into consideration before replying to him. I did so by giving him some examples to show that his point of view is nothing new under the sun, for example.

As he is apparently trying to provoke a reaction- did you not ever make a statement in high school or college to do so- a measured reaction might be best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln, on Peter’s website, you can find the following quote.</p>
<blockquote><p><i> My recent favorite for sparking up controversy has been the blog neo-neocon, which is where I got the kool aid comments.</i> </p></blockquote>
<p>He’s a bright high school kid.  Yes, he lacks the perspective that real-world experience can give an adult.  It would not be a bad idea to take that into consideration before replying to him. I did so by giving him some examples to show that his point of view is nothing new under the sun, for example.</p>
<p>As he is apparently trying to provoke a reaction- did you not ever make a statement in high school or college to do so- a measured reaction might be best.</p>
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		By: Lincoln		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lincoln]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There’s no way I could marry a conservative. I’m going to be looking for an intelligent woman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;ll be looking forever then.  Though I could be wrong, I imagine it shouldn&#039;t be relatively difficult to find a woman brighter than you.  In fact I&#039;m sure there&#039;s quite a few amoeba specimens out there brighter than you.  

:D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There’s no way I could marry a conservative. I’m going to be looking for an intelligent woman.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;ll be looking forever then.  Though I could be wrong, I imagine it shouldn&#8217;t be relatively difficult to find a woman brighter than you.  In fact I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s quite a few amoeba specimens out there brighter than you.  </p>
<p>😀</p>
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