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	Comments on: Obama&#8217;s not your father&#8217;s Dukakis&#8212;and don&#8217;t you dare diss Michelle!	</title>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/19/obamas-not-your-fathers-dukakis-and-dont-you-dare-diss-michelle/#comment-78593</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I remember that debate and I was shocked that Mrs. Dukakis was dragged in like that&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t call that &quot;being dragged in.&quot; Dukakis&#039;s wife only arose in the discussion because she exists; she wasn&#039;t being criticized. The question could equally well have referred to a Dukakis child. The point was whether Dukakis would maintain the fashionable liberal pose if he actually had a personal interest in the situation, i.e., would he walk the walk?

So I would distinguish that case from criticism of Michelle Obama, which in my view is entirely within bounds, as she is giving speeches for Obama. If she were home baking brownies criticism would be wholly inappropriate, and Obama&#039;s remarks would be apposite. But she can hardly give a tub-thumping speech and then play the shrinking violet &quot;civilian&quot; who didn&#039;t sign on for this and was dragged into it. That won&#039;t wash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I remember that debate and I was shocked that Mrs. Dukakis was dragged in like that</p></blockquote>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call that &#8220;being dragged in.&#8221; Dukakis&#8217;s wife only arose in the discussion because she exists; she wasn&#8217;t being criticized. The question could equally well have referred to a Dukakis child. The point was whether Dukakis would maintain the fashionable liberal pose if he actually had a personal interest in the situation, i.e., would he walk the walk?</p>
<p>So I would distinguish that case from criticism of Michelle Obama, which in my view is entirely within bounds, as she is giving speeches for Obama. If she were home baking brownies criticism would be wholly inappropriate, and Obama&#8217;s remarks would be apposite. But she can hardly give a tub-thumping speech and then play the shrinking violet &#8220;civilian&#8221; who didn&#8217;t sign on for this and was dragged into it. That won&#8217;t wash.</p>
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		By: Cricket		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/19/obamas-not-your-fathers-dukakis-and-dont-you-dare-diss-michelle/#comment-78466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cricket]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember that debate and I was shocked that Mrs. Dukakis was dragged in like that...reporter/moderator ethics at play there?

I don&#039;t recall that Kitty D. was all that active in her husband&#039;s campaign; certainly not after he named Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate.

But I have always been irritated at political wives 
who get down and dirty and then get mad when they are treated as equals.  

The last Democrat wife that had some class was Jacqueline Kennedy.  After her grace under literal fire, no one can even come close to her in that department.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that debate and I was shocked that Mrs. Dukakis was dragged in like that&#8230;reporter/moderator ethics at play there?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall that Kitty D. was all that active in her husband&#8217;s campaign; certainly not after he named Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate.</p>
<p>But I have always been irritated at political wives<br />
who get down and dirty and then get mad when they are treated as equals.  </p>
<p>The last Democrat wife that had some class was Jacqueline Kennedy.  After her grace under literal fire, no one can even come close to her in that department.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;Why isn’t the McCain campaign all over these errors?? Obama is handing the election to McCain and they don’t even try for it!
Occam&#039;s Beard&quot;&quot;

 I hear ya man. WTF are they waiting on? This sorta thing is exactly the reason why i don&#039;t even open mail anymore asking for money from Republicans. I&#039;m just sick of the ballessness (if thats not a word it should be).

 The direction of this entire country is at stake. And these idiots act like they can&#039;t help from shoving their heads up their *ss. Geeezzzz!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Why isn’t the McCain campaign all over these errors?? Obama is handing the election to McCain and they don’t even try for it!<br />
Occam&#8217;s Beard&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p> I hear ya man. WTF are they waiting on? This sorta thing is exactly the reason why i don&#8217;t even open mail anymore asking for money from Republicans. I&#8217;m just sick of the ballessness (if thats not a word it should be).</p>
<p> The direction of this entire country is at stake. And these idiots act like they can&#8217;t help from shoving their heads up their *ss. Geeezzzz!</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/19/obamas-not-your-fathers-dukakis-and-dont-you-dare-diss-michelle/#comment-78459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on both the &quot;57 states&quot; and the &quot;eight or ten years&quot; as slips of the tongue, or thoughtless utterances by a tired man. 

Having said that, I don&#039;t see signs of a piercing intellect there, nor (more importantly) of good judgment, and that &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; disconcerting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on both the &#8220;57 states&#8221; and the &#8220;eight or ten years&#8221; as slips of the tongue, or thoughtless utterances by a tired man. </p>
<p>Having said that, I don&#8217;t see signs of a piercing intellect there, nor (more importantly) of good judgment, and that <i>is</i> disconcerting.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Donald wrote

&quot; Mr. Obama’s uncertainty whether he visited “57 or 58 of the states,” or a recent and unreported unscripted comment to a group about how we need to worry about all the different “kinds of carbon,” and indications that he has no appreciation for the complexity of most other issues.&quot;

  Or the most recent one I saw just this morning:
&quot;The objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to 10 years.&quot; 

  Either he is totally ignorant of the term limits of the presidency, which in itself is a scary thought, OR even worse he expects to be president for more than 8 years.  It also points to me that he already assumes he is POTUS.  
 
  Why isn&#039;t the McCain campaign all over these errors??  Obama is handing the election to McCain and they don&#039;t even try for it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald wrote</p>
<p>&#8221; Mr. Obama’s uncertainty whether he visited “57 or 58 of the states,” or a recent and unreported unscripted comment to a group about how we need to worry about all the different “kinds of carbon,” and indications that he has no appreciation for the complexity of most other issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Or the most recent one I saw just this morning:<br />
&#8220;The objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to 10 years.&#8221; </p>
<p>  Either he is totally ignorant of the term limits of the presidency, which in itself is a scary thought, OR even worse he expects to be president for more than 8 years.  It also points to me that he already assumes he is POTUS.  </p>
<p>  Why isn&#8217;t the McCain campaign all over these errors??  Obama is handing the election to McCain and they don&#8217;t even try for it!</p>
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		By: Donald Wolberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Wolberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In truth, I had hoped for a free exchange of ideas and perspectives between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama, as promised during the primary struggle, It seems clear that such a spontaneous series of debates will not occur. Mr. Obama seems to be a very ordinary politician from Illinois but without much substantive experience or compensating intellect. One must be concerned about his associations with  bizarre clergy, indicted developers who helped him buy homes, &quot;retired&quot; terrorists, and a very deep left of center series of positions. His unusual associations have all ended up beneath the campaign bus, but the deeply left positions remain. One must also be concerned about Mr. Obama&#039;s uncertainty whether he visited &quot;57 or 58 of the states,&quot; or a recent and unreported unscripted comment to a group about how we need to worry about all the different &quot;kinds of carbon,&quot; and indications that he has no appreciation for the complexity of most other issues. The image of a contrived media candidate is emerging and Mr. Obama seems more like an empty suit than a worthwhile candidate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In truth, I had hoped for a free exchange of ideas and perspectives between Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama, as promised during the primary struggle, It seems clear that such a spontaneous series of debates will not occur. Mr. Obama seems to be a very ordinary politician from Illinois but without much substantive experience or compensating intellect. One must be concerned about his associations with  bizarre clergy, indicted developers who helped him buy homes, &#8220;retired&#8221; terrorists, and a very deep left of center series of positions. His unusual associations have all ended up beneath the campaign bus, but the deeply left positions remain. One must also be concerned about Mr. Obama&#8217;s uncertainty whether he visited &#8220;57 or 58 of the states,&#8221; or a recent and unreported unscripted comment to a group about how we need to worry about all the different &#8220;kinds of carbon,&#8221; and indications that he has no appreciation for the complexity of most other issues. The image of a contrived media candidate is emerging and Mr. Obama seems more like an empty suit than a worthwhile candidate.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Three of &#039;em are tough calls. One&#039;s a given. /kidding!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three of &#8217;em are tough calls. One&#8217;s a given. /kidding!</p>
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		By: Negro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Negro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In honor of Bernard Shaw, the Are You Still Beating Your Wife Institute of Beanball Journalism is conducting the following poll. Please select the most suitable question for a presidential debate:

1. Mr. Huckabee: If your daughter was pregnant with her fourth illegitimate child, addicted to methamphetamine and unsure whether the father was the local Baptist minister, the singer in a touring funk band, the crack dealer on third street or you, would you consider allowing her to have an abortion?

2. Mr. Romney: If your son started an offshoot of the Mormon church and borrowed money from you to build a compound in the desert near St. George Utah, then amassed a dozen or so wives and stockpiled automatic weapons and 450 kiloliters of Nyquil -- dont ask -- would you be willing to order the FBI to fire on the compound, should your son refuse to allow them entry?

3. Mr. McCain, if your Bangladeshi son converts to Islam, would you consider waterboarding a good way to re-instill good Christian values?

4. Mr. Obama, we know you enjoy a good game of basketball, but do you like watermelon, fried chicken and white women?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In honor of Bernard Shaw, the Are You Still Beating Your Wife Institute of Beanball Journalism is conducting the following poll. Please select the most suitable question for a presidential debate:</p>
<p>1. Mr. Huckabee: If your daughter was pregnant with her fourth illegitimate child, addicted to methamphetamine and unsure whether the father was the local Baptist minister, the singer in a touring funk band, the crack dealer on third street or you, would you consider allowing her to have an abortion?</p>
<p>2. Mr. Romney: If your son started an offshoot of the Mormon church and borrowed money from you to build a compound in the desert near St. George Utah, then amassed a dozen or so wives and stockpiled automatic weapons and 450 kiloliters of Nyquil &#8212; dont ask &#8212; would you be willing to order the FBI to fire on the compound, should your son refuse to allow them entry?</p>
<p>3. Mr. McCain, if your Bangladeshi son converts to Islam, would you consider waterboarding a good way to re-instill good Christian values?</p>
<p>4. Mr. Obama, we know you enjoy a good game of basketball, but do you like watermelon, fried chicken and white women?</p>
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		By: Americaneocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Americaneocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like I said above, I watched the debate, and nothing Bernard Shaw asked was untoward. He owed no one an apology, and to even suggest it is to say Democrats can&#039;t be criticized for their hopeless policy of empathy, which gets people killed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said above, I watched the debate, and nothing Bernard Shaw asked was untoward. He owed no one an apology, and to even suggest it is to say Democrats can&#8217;t be criticized for their hopeless policy of empathy, which gets people killed.</p>
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		By: sd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama is a presidential candidate. Every thing he says/does analyzed and assessed for its potential impact on others, particularly the voting public.

Ditto McCain.

Is any of this surprising?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a presidential candidate. Every thing he says/does analyzed and assessed for its potential impact on others, particularly the voting public.</p>
<p>Ditto McCain.</p>
<p>Is any of this surprising?</p>
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