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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77500</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey:  “Gringo, the facts from AWEA website that you cited, even if true, are misleading. It is useless to compare payback times for wind farms and coal or nuclear plants, because they belong to different segments of energy market, and can not substitute each other.” 

My posting was with regards to Den Beste’s opinion that ‘“And I’m still not convinced that it won’t take years before any given windmill finally yields as much total energy as it took to make it, transport it and install it.”

THAT is what I was posting on. Again, changing of the goalposts.

Here is further &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/The_Difference_Wind_Makes.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;support&lt;/a&gt; for my reply to Den Beste’s comment. &lt;blockquote&gt;. The “energy payback time” (a measure of how long a power plant must operate to generate the amount of electricity required for its manufacture and construction) of a wind project is 3 to 8 months, depending on the wind speed at the site — one of the shortest of any generation technology. &lt;/blockquote&gt;.  Try changing the goalposts on THAT,  Sergey!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey:  “Gringo, the facts from AWEA website that you cited, even if true, are misleading. It is useless to compare payback times for wind farms and coal or nuclear plants, because they belong to different segments of energy market, and can not substitute each other.” </p>
<p>My posting was with regards to Den Beste’s opinion that ‘“And I’m still not convinced that it won’t take years before any given windmill finally yields as much total energy as it took to make it, transport it and install it.”</p>
<p>THAT is what I was posting on. Again, changing of the goalposts.</p>
<p>Here is further <a href="http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/The_Difference_Wind_Makes.pdf" rel="nofollow">support</a> for my reply to Den Beste’s comment. </p>
<blockquote><p>. The “energy payback time” (a measure of how long a power plant must operate to generate the amount of electricity required for its manufacture and construction) of a wind project is 3 to 8 months, depending on the wind speed at the site — one of the shortest of any generation technology. </p></blockquote>
<p>.  Try changing the goalposts on THAT,  Sergey!</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What puzzles me is how the article passed the self-imposed censor. Either the editors are so in the tank for Obama that they don’t see how incendiary the Lizza piece is, or for some reason they’ve become scared of the possibility of Obama’s becoming President.&lt;/i&gt;

In the tank for Obama.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What puzzles me is how the article passed the self-imposed censor. Either the editors are so in the tank for Obama that they don’t see how incendiary the Lizza piece is, or for some reason they’ve become scared of the possibility of Obama’s becoming President.</i></p>
<p>In the tank for Obama.</p>
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		By: douglas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77413</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm, perhaps there are some bitter Hillary supporters at the NYer?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The libs launched Archie Bunker back in the 70s...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Heh.  It&#039;s always fun to ask people; who supported the family?  Who went to work every day and kept a roof overhead and food on the table?  Who allowed a man he at times detested to live under that very roof?  Yeah, Archie was the adult there, despite the buffoonery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, perhaps there are some bitter Hillary supporters at the NYer?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The libs launched Archie Bunker back in the 70s&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Heh.  It&#8217;s always fun to ask people; who supported the family?  Who went to work every day and kept a roof overhead and food on the table?  Who allowed a man he at times detested to live under that very roof?  Yeah, Archie was the adult there, despite the buffoonery.</p>
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		By: njcommuter		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77400</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njcommuter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A cynic might suggest that The New Yorker wants to torpedo Obama because if he gets in one term will &lt;strike&gt;torpedo&lt;/strike&gt;scuttle the Ship of the Left and it will take at least three terms to raise, as it did after Carter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cynic might suggest that The New Yorker wants to torpedo Obama because if he gets in one term will <strike>torpedo</strike>scuttle the Ship of the Left and it will take at least three terms to raise, as it did after Carter.</p>
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		By: Vince P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77388</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kamper is one big stereotype who traffics in nothing but stereotypes

i bet he thinks he&#039;s really insightful]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kamper is one big stereotype who traffics in nothing but stereotypes</p>
<p>i bet he thinks he&#8217;s really insightful</p>
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		By: kamper		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kamper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Self-imposed censor&quot;?! Are you nuts? 

Good magazines -- and the New Yorker is a very good magazine right now (it isn&#039;t always) -- always set themselves against the conventional wisdom of their readership. That&#039;s why it can take on Obama right now. (It&#039;s a sign that the tide has turned from Rep to Dem, by the way.) And that&#039;s why it was the one that broke Abu Ghraib, and the one to publish all of Jane Mayer&#039;s work on torture. This is a literary magazine for heaven&#039;s sake, someplace to go for Alice Munro short stories and theater reviews, but here it is out on the forefront of investigative journalism, breaking major stories. It&#039;s quite astounding, actually - and another sign of how lame the mainstream media has become.

Also, alas, it&#039;s why Fox fails so miserably - that network&#039;s sole function is to assuage the preconceived mindset of its target demographic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Self-imposed censor&#8221;?! Are you nuts? </p>
<p>Good magazines &#8212; and the New Yorker is a very good magazine right now (it isn&#8217;t always) &#8212; always set themselves against the conventional wisdom of their readership. That&#8217;s why it can take on Obama right now. (It&#8217;s a sign that the tide has turned from Rep to Dem, by the way.) And that&#8217;s why it was the one that broke Abu Ghraib, and the one to publish all of Jane Mayer&#8217;s work on torture. This is a literary magazine for heaven&#8217;s sake, someplace to go for Alice Munro short stories and theater reviews, but here it is out on the forefront of investigative journalism, breaking major stories. It&#8217;s quite astounding, actually &#8211; and another sign of how lame the mainstream media has become.</p>
<p>Also, alas, it&#8217;s why Fox fails so miserably &#8211; that network&#8217;s sole function is to assuage the preconceived mindset of its target demographic.</p>
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		By: FredHjr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77381</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredHjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought it was buffoonish satire that fails and is in bad taste.  Mind you, I&#039;m an opponent of Obonga who prefers to stick with the serious issues and the truth about who he is.  He is not a Muslim.  He is, at the very least, a socialist with wide and deep connections with Communists that need to be exposed to the wider American electorate.

If this was an attempt to scorch conservative Republicans, it failed big time.  It failed because we are condemning it for the cretinism it is.  And if that is what liberals and Leftists think of who we are and what we think, then they are the biggest idiots in America today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was buffoonish satire that fails and is in bad taste.  Mind you, I&#8217;m an opponent of Obonga who prefers to stick with the serious issues and the truth about who he is.  He is not a Muslim.  He is, at the very least, a socialist with wide and deep connections with Communists that need to be exposed to the wider American electorate.</p>
<p>If this was an attempt to scorch conservative Republicans, it failed big time.  It failed because we are condemning it for the cretinism it is.  And if that is what liberals and Leftists think of who we are and what we think, then they are the biggest idiots in America today.</p>
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		By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77375</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[unTruth:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Just shows how racial phenomena still lingering in US society and still there even for some the denial is an easy way to them&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Where are you from and how many black presidential candidates have you guys had?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unTruth:<br />
<i>&#8220;Just shows how racial phenomena still lingering in US society and still there even for some the denial is an easy way to them&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Where are you from and how many black presidential candidates have you guys had?</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Lizza article will get to some people. It&#039;s not just that Obama is a calculating pol; it is that he doesn&#039;t invest enough in any project to see it through. You see a man with plenty of time to court the power and money folks, but not enough time to seriously study a problem and come up with solutions. He tosses money (not his) at a problem or a useful supporter and then moves on to his next campaign plan. His real goal is to get himself into the only job worthy of him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lizza article will get to some people. It&#8217;s not just that Obama is a calculating pol; it is that he doesn&#8217;t invest enough in any project to see it through. You see a man with plenty of time to court the power and money folks, but not enough time to seriously study a problem and come up with solutions. He tosses money (not his) at a problem or a useful supporter and then moves on to his next campaign plan. His real goal is to get himself into the only job worthy of him.</p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/07/14/barack-fumes-about-the-cover/#comment-77337</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ha ha.  See, the cover is &lt;i&gt;satire&lt;/i&gt;.  The problem with this, as I see it, is after many years of being told liberals were smarter than average, I find them dumber than average.  Of course, in a way that is respectfull to all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha.  See, the cover is <i>satire</i>.  The problem with this, as I see it, is after many years of being told liberals were smarter than average, I find them dumber than average.  Of course, in a way that is respectfull to all.</p>
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