Comments on: Obama’s “historic” win

By: Vince P

Vince P — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:30:00 +0000

This is a good video making the Obama – Carter comparasion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiurw9T5p_s

By: huxley

huxley — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:20:49 +0000

Oh, I think comparing Obama to Carter is not apt at all.

Mitsu — Neo was comparing the possible Obama presidency to the Carter presidency, especially with regard to the damage it could inflict, not those two men to each other.

Yes, Obama and Carter are different kinds of men. I’d say that Obama has much more in common with Bill Clinton for his inspiring evasiveness and ambition, which you seem to call pragmatism.

However, unlike Clinton or Carter, Obama has so little experience of the real worlds of business, the military, or executive leadership (aside from campaigning) that I see no reason to suppose he will be an effective president.

He certainly handled the whole Trinity church affair badly–leaving aside that a sensible presidential candidate would never have been in that position of justifying a church like Trinity in the first place.

By: njcommuter

njcommuter — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:51:06 +0000

Jimmy Carter’s presidency would have been a lot worse had he served two terms.

In 1989, Ed Koch’s term as Mayor of New York ended. David Dinkins’s term began. Dinkins was a sophisticated politician who managed to do in four years what Koch had not done in twelve: the black Dinkens turned a tense situation into a race riot in Crown Heights and helped to create another racial conflict between local businesses owned by Korean immigrants and the surrounding ‘minority’ community.

A sophistcated politician is not the same as a qualified leader or manager. Koch and Guiliani showed they could be all three.

I fear that Obama will finish what Dinkins started.

By: Jamie

Jamie — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:59:35 +0000

When I was a little kid, we had a poster on the wall (usually in a hallway somewhere – we moved a lot, so it shifted around) that said, “No force is as great as an idea whose time has come.” (Pierre Teilhard de Chardin?) I keep harking back to that poster as I consider this year’s Democrat Presidential contenders: has the party so utterly embraced that quote that they’ve forgotten their greater responsibility to try to put forward a candidate who can actual handle the job?

The difference between Kennedy and either Obama or Clinton is that Kennedy was elected despite (not “because of”) his religion, so while he may have been a trailblazer by being “first,” he was not a “token.” ISTM that either Obama’s or Clinton’s election marks the elevation of a “token” rather than election of a truly worthwhile candidate, based on either of their records.

By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist

harry McHitlerburtonstein the COnservative Extremist — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:28:56 +0000

Perfected Democrat:
“Obi’s unequivocal (remember Hil’s comments?) speech before AIPAC, especially concerning the status of Jeruselum, was surprising. He appears to have blind-sided his left and arab side support with that stance. “

A speech, I’m sure, that would under-go considerable tailoring if he had to give it before CAIR, with the media relegating the AIPAC speech to the memory hole.

By: Live Dangerously

Live Dangerously — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:50:48 +0000

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By: Live Dangerously

Live Dangerously — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:48:03 +0000

By: expat

expat — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:19:05 +0000

Beverly, there are lots of women who didn’t vote for Hillaryand not because they are prejudiced against women. I am highly offended that she presumes to speak for me. Likewise, I am highly offended that a vote for Obama is supposed to say something about my racism. I really don’t need him to absolve me from my sins. Anyone who doesn’t respect me as a thinking individual doesn’t get my vote.

By: Perfected democrat

Perfected democrat — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:20:11 +0000

Obi’s unequivocal (remember Hil’s comments?) speech before AIPAC, especially concerning the status of Jeruselum, was surprising. He appears to have blind-sided his left and arab side support with that stance. Considering all of his previous associations, including several significantly less than pro-Israel “advisors”, I wonder how that will play out or what other’s think about it. I’ve long seen him as a master of the duplicitous, is this just more cheap talk, maybe bait and switch? Several candidates in both parties, I believe, “promised” to move the American embassy to Jeruselum while campaigning, then squirmed out of it after they were elected. Any comments around here?

By: Beverly

Beverly — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:50:27 +0000

Black men got the vote in the US over seventy years before any woman did: this order of going doesn’t surprise me.

Shirley Chisholm said that, of the two prejudices, against blacks and against women, the prejudice against women is deeper, older, and worse to deal with. And that’s after going through what she did as a black woman in her day.