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		By: waltj		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/22/advice-to-obama-its-the-context-stupid/#comment-68980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waltj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My question is this:  what, exactly, is Obama going to offer the mullahs for their &quot;cooperation&quot; on Middle East issues, and what is he prepared to do to ensure that they hold up their end of the bargain?  That&#039;s my main worry.  In any negotiations, but especially between nations, nobody who enters into them from a position of weakness is going to win anything that&#039;s even worth the paper it&#039;s written on.  Chamberlain certainly didn&#039;t, JFK didn&#039;t, and had to threaten nuclear retaliation to get Khrushchev&#039;s attention, and I doubt Obama would either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is this:  what, exactly, is Obama going to offer the mullahs for their &#8220;cooperation&#8221; on Middle East issues, and what is he prepared to do to ensure that they hold up their end of the bargain?  That&#8217;s my main worry.  In any negotiations, but especially between nations, nobody who enters into them from a position of weakness is going to win anything that&#8217;s even worth the paper it&#8217;s written on.  Chamberlain certainly didn&#8217;t, JFK didn&#8217;t, and had to threaten nuclear retaliation to get Khrushchev&#8217;s attention, and I doubt Obama would either.</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/22/advice-to-obama-its-the-context-stupid/#comment-68940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[strcpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am convinced however, that Obama believes the sheer force of his own personality and his kinder, gentler, willingness to talk will be enough to start the process of Iranian change. Or perhaps, if I’m in a more cynical mood, I think he believes voters will buy this notion but has no intention of actually carrying it out.&quot;

Sadly I think he actually believes it. If it were the latter then I wouldn&#039;t be *that* worried about him - that generally means he is willing to learn and change. A poll driven president is pretty much a do nothing president and that is OK with me (I think Hillary and McCain are both of that type - though each have some core believes that are not poll driven).

As is I think he truly expects, just because it is him, that things will go his way. I think he has *always* run on that (see Michelle Obama&#039;s speech about moving goalposts and how he overcame them by being himself) and knows nothing else. It is so clear to him - he will ask the Iranian leaders to talk, he will meet with them, and the shining light of Obama will fall onto them and they will return home and create a paradise. I don&#039;t think he has any real plans past that - talking to them and letting Obamagic work it&#039;s charm.

I&#039;ve like the statement I read some time ago - Obama is a train wreck coming, the question is when will it happen? If elected I think he will fall to pieces when things just don&#039;t suddenly happen because Obama willed them to work that way. However I expect that to happen before the election if for nothing more than once the 527&#039;s get going. He has no plan outside of his Obamagic working it&#039;s charm and were it not for the media loving him it would have failed already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am convinced however, that Obama believes the sheer force of his own personality and his kinder, gentler, willingness to talk will be enough to start the process of Iranian change. Or perhaps, if I’m in a more cynical mood, I think he believes voters will buy this notion but has no intention of actually carrying it out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly I think he actually believes it. If it were the latter then I wouldn&#8217;t be *that* worried about him &#8211; that generally means he is willing to learn and change. A poll driven president is pretty much a do nothing president and that is OK with me (I think Hillary and McCain are both of that type &#8211; though each have some core believes that are not poll driven).</p>
<p>As is I think he truly expects, just because it is him, that things will go his way. I think he has *always* run on that (see Michelle Obama&#8217;s speech about moving goalposts and how he overcame them by being himself) and knows nothing else. It is so clear to him &#8211; he will ask the Iranian leaders to talk, he will meet with them, and the shining light of Obama will fall onto them and they will return home and create a paradise. I don&#8217;t think he has any real plans past that &#8211; talking to them and letting Obamagic work it&#8217;s charm.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve like the statement I read some time ago &#8211; Obama is a train wreck coming, the question is when will it happen? If elected I think he will fall to pieces when things just don&#8217;t suddenly happen because Obama willed them to work that way. However I expect that to happen before the election if for nothing more than once the 527&#8217;s get going. He has no plan outside of his Obamagic working it&#8217;s charm and were it not for the media loving him it would have failed already.</p>
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		By: Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Or perhaps, if I’m in a more cynical mood, I think he believes voters will buy this notion but has no intention of actually carrying it out.&quot;

Ding ding. I don&#039;t know that he even buys this BS. But it plays with the base... who, outside of the SF bay area, probably don&#039;t buy it either.. it&#039;s just an offshoot of a Bush bash (war doesn&#039;t work, talk!).. ahem, unless a democrat is in office and/or used war...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or perhaps, if I’m in a more cynical mood, I think he believes voters will buy this notion but has no intention of actually carrying it out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ding ding. I don&#8217;t know that he even buys this BS. But it plays with the base&#8230; who, outside of the SF bay area, probably don&#8217;t buy it either.. it&#8217;s just an offshoot of a Bush bash (war doesn&#8217;t work, talk!).. ahem, unless a democrat is in office and/or used war&#8230;</p>
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		By: Gray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/22/advice-to-obama-its-the-context-stupid/#comment-68922</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If the mullahs are liking Obama, they must of have loved Reagan.&lt;/i&gt;

They didn&#039;t really like him at all. How do you explain that?

If Reagan was so weak, how come he pwn3d your beloved USSR?

I&#039;m sorry the Soviet Union and its founding philosophy ended up on the dungheap of history, but please get over it.  We have new challenges now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If the mullahs are liking Obama, they must of have loved Reagan.</i></p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t really like him at all. How do you explain that?</p>
<p>If Reagan was so weak, how come he pwn3d your beloved USSR?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry the Soviet Union and its founding philosophy ended up on the dungheap of history, but please get over it.  We have new challenges now.</p>
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		By: Trimegistus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/22/advice-to-obama-its-the-context-stupid/#comment-68911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trimegistus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Amanda&quot;:

Don&#039;t you get tired of repeating the same tired lies over and over again?  At least try to come up with some &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt; lies once in a while.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Amanda&#8221;:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you get tired of repeating the same tired lies over and over again?  At least try to come up with some <i>new</i> lies once in a while.</p>
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		By: Amanda Reckonwith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/22/advice-to-obama-its-the-context-stupid/#comment-68904</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda Reckonwith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[``They would like nothing better than to have a weakling–and yes, an appeaser–in the White House, and that’s what Obama sounds like.&#039;&#039;

    History shows Reagan sold the mullahs weapons in exchange for their influence in releasing hostages. If that isn&#039;t appeasement, what is?

    Then there was the Beirut bombing, after which Reagan unilaterally surrendered, withdrawing American troops from the region.

   Together, these are the two clearest cases of appeasement in our lifetime and they both relate to Iran, as it happens.

   If the mullahs are liking Obama, they must of have loved Reagan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They would like nothing better than to have a weakling–and yes, an appeaser–in the White House, and that’s what Obama sounds like.&#8221;</p>
<p>    History shows Reagan sold the mullahs weapons in exchange for their influence in releasing hostages. If that isn&#8217;t appeasement, what is?</p>
<p>    Then there was the Beirut bombing, after which Reagan unilaterally surrendered, withdrawing American troops from the region.</p>
<p>   Together, these are the two clearest cases of appeasement in our lifetime and they both relate to Iran, as it happens.</p>
<p>   If the mullahs are liking Obama, they must of have loved Reagan.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, I think there is a big difference between Obama and Hillary. Among other things, she saw her charmer of a husband and some pretty experienced Middle East diplomats fail at Camp David. I don&#039;t support Hillary for many reasons, but she knows a lot more about the game of international hardball than Obama. She may not have been at the negotiating tables, but she definitely would have picked up on the atmospherics. During this time, Obama was voting present and being mentored by third-rate Chicago operators.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I think there is a big difference between Obama and Hillary. Among other things, she saw her charmer of a husband and some pretty experienced Middle East diplomats fail at Camp David. I don&#8217;t support Hillary for many reasons, but she knows a lot more about the game of international hardball than Obama. She may not have been at the negotiating tables, but she definitely would have picked up on the atmospherics. During this time, Obama was voting present and being mentored by third-rate Chicago operators.</p>
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		By: gcotharn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gcotharn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Extremely newly minted history.  History which still has that baby smell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extremely newly minted history.  History which still has that baby smell.</p>
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		By: gcotharn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gcotharn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worrisome, though not &lt;em&gt;completely horrible&lt;/em&gt;, that Barack doesn&#039;t understand history. 

It is horrible that Barack is impetuous enough and arrogant enough to cite history without first investigating what he is citing. 

It is &lt;em&gt;completely horrible&lt;/em&gt; that Barack doesn&#039;t have counselors who would stop him from making recklessly ignorant historical comparisons. If Barack simply had good people around him: much else could be forgiven. Instead, the necessary impression is of historically ignorant ideologues surrounding historically ignorant Barack.  And some of that ignorance is about newly minted history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worrisome, though not <em>completely horrible</em>, that Barack doesn&#8217;t understand history. </p>
<p>It is horrible that Barack is impetuous enough and arrogant enough to cite history without first investigating what he is citing. </p>
<p>It is <em>completely horrible</em> that Barack doesn&#8217;t have counselors who would stop him from making recklessly ignorant historical comparisons. If Barack simply had good people around him: much else could be forgiven. Instead, the necessary impression is of historically ignorant ideologues surrounding historically ignorant Barack.  And some of that ignorance is about newly minted history.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course, they could not even try to nominate Joe Lieberman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, they could not even try to nominate Joe Lieberman.</p>
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