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		By: Dan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-253198</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama&#039;s election wa the result of a wildly successful marketing campaign. No president in history has been less qualified. I say that we should not elect someone ever again without any executive experience whatsoever. Only somone that has been a mayor, governor, or a high level corporate executive should be considered. Why? These are people that have established records of how they approach problems and demonstrated either success or failure. OK, Jimmy Carter was a governor, but he was elected anyway despite his miserable record as Governor of Georgia. But at least there was no mystery about who he was and how he would behave. Clinton was a governor also, but the media covered up how corrupt he was, and we were told his lasciviousness was none of our business. Another principle should be to listen to who the MSM promotes, and vote for anyone but ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s election wa the result of a wildly successful marketing campaign. No president in history has been less qualified. I say that we should not elect someone ever again without any executive experience whatsoever. Only somone that has been a mayor, governor, or a high level corporate executive should be considered. Why? These are people that have established records of how they approach problems and demonstrated either success or failure. OK, Jimmy Carter was a governor, but he was elected anyway despite his miserable record as Governor of Georgia. But at least there was no mystery about who he was and how he would behave. Clinton was a governor also, but the media covered up how corrupt he was, and we were told his lasciviousness was none of our business. Another principle should be to listen to who the MSM promotes, and vote for anyone but &#8230;</p>
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		By: Slow Pitch Bats		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-111721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Slow Pitch Bats]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Obama was meaning militarily. Relatively speaking hte Soviet Army would have dwarfed any of the countries mentioned. Just the nuclear threat of the Soviets was enough. So, in those respects he is right. But, by the same token you are right those countries cannot be ignored and allowed to negatively influence geopolitics as Germany was prior to WWI and then again in WWII. It is a delicate balancing act. I hope for our sakes who ever is in the White House good decisions for our sake. Otherwise we will be the ones that suffer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama was meaning militarily. Relatively speaking hte Soviet Army would have dwarfed any of the countries mentioned. Just the nuclear threat of the Soviets was enough. So, in those respects he is right. But, by the same token you are right those countries cannot be ignored and allowed to negatively influence geopolitics as Germany was prior to WWI and then again in WWII. It is a delicate balancing act. I hope for our sakes who ever is in the White House good decisions for our sake. Otherwise we will be the ones that suffer.</p>
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		By: WM Neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-102793</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WM Neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[very interesting piece.  From the moment i read the obama quote, the first thought to leap to mind was &quot;you mean tiny little countries like England, who is less than half the size of venezuela, but ruled over roughly 1/4 of the world for a couple centuries? England who in 2007 was still the 5th largest economy in the world. That kind of small?&quot;  Yes, we&#039;ve nothing to worry about from the little people at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting piece.  From the moment i read the obama quote, the first thought to leap to mind was &#8220;you mean tiny little countries like England, who is less than half the size of venezuela, but ruled over roughly 1/4 of the world for a couple centuries? England who in 2007 was still the 5th largest economy in the world. That kind of small?&#8221;  Yes, we&#8217;ve nothing to worry about from the little people at all.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-68919</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amanda: Not really sure what you&#039;re talking about---I have never deleted your comments, as you no doubt are aware.

Unless, of course, you are actually one of the trolls who used to come round here some time ago.  From certain of your identifying characteristics (country of origin, etc.), I suspect that this might be the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda: Not really sure what you&#8217;re talking about&#8212;I have never deleted your comments, as you no doubt are aware.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you are actually one of the trolls who used to come round here some time ago.  From certain of your identifying characteristics (country of origin, etc.), I suspect that this might be the case.</p>
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		By: Amanda Reckonwith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda Reckonwith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And when you lose arguments, just delete the opponent&#039;s comments.

This is neocon ethics indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when you lose arguments, just delete the opponent&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>This is neocon ethics indeed.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-68847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A. Reckonwith: &lt;i&gt;It is beyond naive to think that Iran’s current leadership could gain legitimacy by making agreements with what it calls “The Great Satan.”&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s rare, even within the liberal-left, to see cognitive dissonance displayed so openly. If Iran&#039;s &quot;current leadership&quot; can&#039;t gain &quot;legitimacy&quot; from negotiating agreements with the US, why offer to talk with the Great Satan at all? Because the offer is just a  ploy, to stall for time, or to bait counteroffers that can then be contemptuously rejected? And why, then, would any Western leader want to play that game? Or, being &quot;beyond naive&quot;, let&#039;s contemplate the possibility that the current leadership recognizes that their own hate-filled anti-American propaganda isn&#039;t completely shared by their increasingly restive population (however much it resonates within the confines of the American left) -- in which case the US acceptance of talks &quot;without preconditions&quot; might well be seen as a propaganda coup all by itself, though the &quot;talks&quot; themselves, of course, would just be empty exercises. Either way, Obama&#039;s trumpeted willingness to engage in such obvious displays only underlines how gullible, vain, and potentially dangerous he is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Reckonwith: <i>It is beyond naive to think that Iran’s current leadership could gain legitimacy by making agreements with what it calls “The Great Satan.”</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s rare, even within the liberal-left, to see cognitive dissonance displayed so openly. If Iran&#8217;s &#8220;current leadership&#8221; can&#8217;t gain &#8220;legitimacy&#8221; from negotiating agreements with the US, why offer to talk with the Great Satan at all? Because the offer is just a  ploy, to stall for time, or to bait counteroffers that can then be contemptuously rejected? And why, then, would any Western leader want to play that game? Or, being &#8220;beyond naive&#8221;, let&#8217;s contemplate the possibility that the current leadership recognizes that their own hate-filled anti-American propaganda isn&#8217;t completely shared by their increasingly restive population (however much it resonates within the confines of the American left) &#8212; in which case the US acceptance of talks &#8220;without preconditions&#8221; might well be seen as a propaganda coup all by itself, though the &#8220;talks&#8221; themselves, of course, would just be empty exercises. Either way, Obama&#8217;s trumpeted willingness to engage in such obvious displays only underlines how gullible, vain, and potentially dangerous he is.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-68833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Iran is willing to negotiate. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is nothing &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; negotiate. They engage in terrorism, and are building nuclear weapons to do so on an immense scale. That is unacceptable. Period.

Negotiation requires a legitimate issue, and good faith from the party with whom one is negotiating. Neither condition obtains here. Negotiating with Iran to stop supporting terrorism would be like negotiating with a mugger to stop mugging you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iran is willing to negotiate. </p></blockquote>
<p>There is nothing <i>to</i> negotiate. They engage in terrorism, and are building nuclear weapons to do so on an immense scale. That is unacceptable. Period.</p>
<p>Negotiation requires a legitimate issue, and good faith from the party with whom one is negotiating. Neither condition obtains here. Negotiating with Iran to stop supporting terrorism would be like negotiating with a mugger to stop mugging you.</p>
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		By: Amanda Reckonwith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-68788</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda Reckonwith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 13:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While the Iranian people have much to gain from negotiations with the U.S., the Iranian leadership has more to lose than gain through negotiations.

   It is beyond naive to think that Iran&#039;s current leadership could gain legitimacy by making agreements with what it calls &quot;The Great Satan.&quot; Iran&#039;s theocracy has seized and maintained power through subterfuge, coercion and outright force, not suasion. Its survival depends entirely on perpetual confrontation. 

     The Iranian government survives by claiming that such measures, including censorship, military spending and the outlawing or dissent are necessary, given the threat of a U.S. invasion.

    Increasing that threat, then, only increases the Iranian regime&#039;s ability to claim legitimacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Iranian people have much to gain from negotiations with the U.S., the Iranian leadership has more to lose than gain through negotiations.</p>
<p>   It is beyond naive to think that Iran&#8217;s current leadership could gain legitimacy by making agreements with what it calls &#8220;The Great Satan.&#8221; Iran&#8217;s theocracy has seized and maintained power through subterfuge, coercion and outright force, not suasion. Its survival depends entirely on perpetual confrontation. </p>
<p>     The Iranian government survives by claiming that such measures, including censorship, military spending and the outlawing or dissent are necessary, given the threat of a U.S. invasion.</p>
<p>    Increasing that threat, then, only increases the Iranian regime&#8217;s ability to claim legitimacy.</p>
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		By: The Unknown Blogger		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/05/20/obamas-ignorance-this-is-getting-scary/#comment-68786</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Unknown Blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Under Mr. Bush, the United States has held direct talks with Libya (which has admitted responsibility for the bombing of Pan Am flight 103, which killed 270 people); sent envoys and a warm presidential letter to North Korea (which detonated a nuclear device in 2006); and even participated, through American diplomats in Iraq, in talks with Iran (which the United States has accused of backing attacks against American forces in Iraq).&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/washington/22assess.html?_r=1&#038;hp&#038;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Under Mr. Bush, the United States has held direct talks with Libya (which has admitted responsibility for the bombing of Pan Am flight 103, which killed 270 people); sent envoys and a warm presidential letter to North Korea (which detonated a nuclear device in 2006); and even participated, through American diplomats in Iraq, in talks with Iran (which the United States has accused of backing attacks against American forces in Iraq).&#8221; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/washington/22assess.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">source</a></p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 12:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Negotiating, or &quot;talking&quot;, and refusing to negotiate are both just tactics, and either tactic can be useful and sensible, or not, depending on the context. In this particular context, of course &lt;i&gt;Iran&lt;/i&gt; wants to negotiate -- it can only hope to gain some concession that it has no realistic hope of gaining otherwise. The question is whether the same can be said for the US and the West in general. And the answer to that question, given the nature of the current Iranian regime, as exemplified by its President, is just as clearly no. Negotiating would in itself be a form of reward for Iran&#039;s extremist intransigence -- would be already a concession, in other words, that Iran has done nothing to warrant. Being unable or unwilling to see that is one of the most telling illustrations of Obama&#039;s political naivete.

Or perhaps -- since even he is likely to understand the tactical uses of non-negotiation under various circumstances -- it just illustrates his opportunism, his dangerous willingness to exploit both the childish credulity and the vacuous Bush-derangement of his lefty associates and allies. (It&#039;s also telling, by the way, that his lefty apologists always refer to the tactical refusal to negotiate as a &quot;fear&quot;, since one of their most persistent psychological traits is projection.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negotiating, or &#8220;talking&#8221;, and refusing to negotiate are both just tactics, and either tactic can be useful and sensible, or not, depending on the context. In this particular context, of course <i>Iran</i> wants to negotiate &#8212; it can only hope to gain some concession that it has no realistic hope of gaining otherwise. The question is whether the same can be said for the US and the West in general. And the answer to that question, given the nature of the current Iranian regime, as exemplified by its President, is just as clearly no. Negotiating would in itself be a form of reward for Iran&#8217;s extremist intransigence &#8212; would be already a concession, in other words, that Iran has done nothing to warrant. Being unable or unwilling to see that is one of the most telling illustrations of Obama&#8217;s political naivete.</p>
<p>Or perhaps &#8212; since even he is likely to understand the tactical uses of non-negotiation under various circumstances &#8212; it just illustrates his opportunism, his dangerous willingness to exploit both the childish credulity and the vacuous Bush-derangement of his lefty associates and allies. (It&#8217;s also telling, by the way, that his lefty apologists always refer to the tactical refusal to negotiate as a &#8220;fear&#8221;, since one of their most persistent psychological traits is projection.)</p>
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