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		By: San Juan Del Sur Hotel		</title>
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		By: Brian Johnson		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lenin was a sick thief. The MLK statue does look like the old soviet Lenin statues. It is really sad that Dr. King has been made to look like a thief.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lenin was a sick thief. The MLK statue does look like the old soviet Lenin statues. It is really sad that Dr. King has been made to look like a thief.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey i agree totally...

and maybe a better way to put it.  no one can liberate those who believe that being imprisoned IS liberation!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey i agree totally&#8230;</p>
<p>and maybe a better way to put it.  no one can liberate those who believe that being imprisoned IS liberation!</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The most disturbing truth revealed by this election campaign is 91% of black Democrat votes for Obama. I do not call it racism, it is not. But it means that a vast majority of blacks still believe that their problems are rooted not in their own dysfunctional getto culture, but in some conspiracy of whites, and hope for some society reforms to save them from this peril. This is not healthy for them. The only thing that really can improve this situation is moral transformation: nobody can liberate those who do not want to be free and self-reliable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most disturbing truth revealed by this election campaign is 91% of black Democrat votes for Obama. I do not call it racism, it is not. But it means that a vast majority of blacks still believe that their problems are rooted not in their own dysfunctional getto culture, but in some conspiracy of whites, and hope for some society reforms to save them from this peril. This is not healthy for them. The only thing that really can improve this situation is moral transformation: nobody can liberate those who do not want to be free and self-reliable.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sergey says: The likeliness in style to Stalin era monuments is striking.


well yeah, since its all soviet realism...  even obama posters are soviet realism. i remember the temporary monument they put up in ny at the iceskating rink..  a pole into the sky with people walking on it... and all i could think of was the similar sculpture from the height of soviet realism that was the same thing. 


sergey, are we two the only ones that can see and understand that the american left is constructing the same mental prison that germany did?  that people today no longer wonder how it happened because they think that its a flaw in the body of the people, and not a method that the people first accept the horrors when they are not horrible. so civil forfieture was fine against those who took drugs as they were presumably having too much fun and were too dangerous.. now they do it for drunk driving, and other things... and a few companies who are huge sell the stuff for billions in revenue in which the public has no say.  

they tested demonizing a group and taking its property away, and everyone here said.. ok... we dont like them, so let them take the stuff away. 

now we all have the precendents that this and other things have set.  the flds thing has set the precident that christian is authoritarian, and so is hitlerian (a lie), and so is a good enough reason for taking the children wholesale.  most arent pahying attention to the hows and whys and most are accepting that its ok to take 400 kids on the presumption that there might be abuse and that the whole belief of the group IS the abuse.  a few more of these and the state power to take children en masse bevcause they attend catholic school will be in place. 

dont think so... then see where civil forfietyre has gone. 


sergey and i seem to ahve a perspective where we see the games and the ulterior motives.   it seems very frustrating that others just choose to not have or see the options that are nothing but the unthinkable hiding in the unthinkable. 

when i saw watson lose his career, i knew that we were far enough along to create lysenkoism, and any other mental mind prison at whim. 



a far as king is concerned, how about reading about his attending the highlander school? and how rosa parks attended it to learn how to do her bus thing?  and how pete seeger did too... and how the same persons that funded tuskeegee, funded highlander. etc.?

The Highlander Folk School, located in Monteagle, TN, was founded by Don West, District Director of the Communist Party in North Carolina, and Miles Norton, Director of the Commonwealth College. Based upon testimony by members of the school, the school was cited for conducting subversive activities by the state of Tennessee, and closed by court order in 1960


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Mr. Egerton shows that Mrs. Parks was in fact an alumna of an institution in Monteagle, Tennessee, known as the Highlander Folk School, usually and not inaccurately described as a &quot;communist training school.&quot; Highlander was founded and run by a gentleman named Myles Horton, who was never actually a member of the Communist Party but told a veteran Red pal that he didn&#039;t join so he could avoid having the label pinned on him. For all practical purposes, Horton was a communist.

As Mr. Egerton writes, &quot;Highlander had started summer workshops on school desegregation in 1954, right after the Brown decision. The Montgomery NAACP wanted to send a delegate to Highlander the next year. They chose their youth director, Rosa Parks.&quot; 

Mr. Egerton&#039;s book contains a photograph of Mrs. Parks with Horton at the school in 1957, but her first training session took place only a few months before she sat down in the front of the bus in December, 1955. 

Her action is widely and probably rightly regarded as the beginning of the civil rights movement in the South. Was it in fact an act of communist subversion?

In 1957 a photograph was taken of an audience at the school that showed Martin Luther King sitting in the front row. Right next to him was a comrade named Abner Berry, the correspondent of the Communist Party&#039;s official newspaper, the Daily Worker. In the 1950s King&#039;s enemies plastered it all over the South to discredit King and his movement. It did discredit them–at least in those quarters that thought hanging out with Communists was discreditable.

Today, fewer people think so, and the discovery, from opened Soviet archives, that communists really did penetrate high levels of the U.S. government and the atom bomb project, falls on ears that don&#039;t want to hear about it. But it&#039;s also clear that they penetrated–and used–the civil rights movement as well.

It&#039;s well documented that King himself was surrounded by known communists like Stanley Levison and Hunter Pitts O&#039;Dell, the latter actually a member of the party&#039;s national committee in 1961. King&#039;s bitterly anti-American speech on the Vietnam war, praising Ho Chi Minh and comparing American soldiers to Nazi storm troopers, in 1967 was written by Levison, whose influence on King was the main reason for FBI surveillance of him.

Today, Americans have been so brainwashed by the propaganda of the left, communist or not, that they&#039;re likely to regard the Reds in the civil rights movement as the real heroes who led the fight against murderous bigots in Southern backwaters. Immersed in white guilt, a vast number of Americans now accept that the entire history of their nation up to the 1960s was a dark age of repression and hatred, with only a few bright spots like Abraham Lincoln and the crusade against Hitler.

Having lost their own history, Americans can no longer expect to keep the nation their history created and defined. That, of course, was the whole point–to strip away the real past as well as the legends that allow Americans to exist as a people and to put in their place new myths–and a new population–that will give birth to a new order that Myles Horton and his comrades would have liked. It&#039;s an amazing story, about how an entire people was bamboozled out of its own heritage and its own country. Some day, when we have a good conservative administration in Washington, the Public Broadcasting System ought to make a film about it. 



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The school and king had relations with a man by the name of Carl Brandon…  through SCEF. 

 

&lt;b&gt;Carl Branden was convicted of criminal sedition in 1954. He and his wife purchased a home for blacks in a white neighborhood to incite racial violence.  Later they were charged with bombing the same house to win sympathy for their cause and to raise money.  Ann Braden today is a founder of the Atlanta based &quot;Center for Democratic Renewal&quot; which smears Conservative patriots.&lt;/b&gt;

 

 

The Highlander school was financed by the Julius Rosenwald Fund. At one time Rosenwald headed Sears Roebuck Co. He spent $22 million financing civil rights groups. His daughter Edith Stern continued to give money to the SCEF and Highlander Folk School after her father&#039;s death. Her husband, Alfred stern of New Orleans, fled to Russia just before he was to be arrested on spy charges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sergey says: The likeliness in style to Stalin era monuments is striking.</p>
<p>well yeah, since its all soviet realism&#8230;  even obama posters are soviet realism. i remember the temporary monument they put up in ny at the iceskating rink..  a pole into the sky with people walking on it&#8230; and all i could think of was the similar sculpture from the height of soviet realism that was the same thing. </p>
<p>sergey, are we two the only ones that can see and understand that the american left is constructing the same mental prison that germany did?  that people today no longer wonder how it happened because they think that its a flaw in the body of the people, and not a method that the people first accept the horrors when they are not horrible. so civil forfieture was fine against those who took drugs as they were presumably having too much fun and were too dangerous.. now they do it for drunk driving, and other things&#8230; and a few companies who are huge sell the stuff for billions in revenue in which the public has no say.  </p>
<p>they tested demonizing a group and taking its property away, and everyone here said.. ok&#8230; we dont like them, so let them take the stuff away. </p>
<p>now we all have the precendents that this and other things have set.  the flds thing has set the precident that christian is authoritarian, and so is hitlerian (a lie), and so is a good enough reason for taking the children wholesale.  most arent pahying attention to the hows and whys and most are accepting that its ok to take 400 kids on the presumption that there might be abuse and that the whole belief of the group IS the abuse.  a few more of these and the state power to take children en masse bevcause they attend catholic school will be in place. </p>
<p>dont think so&#8230; then see where civil forfietyre has gone. </p>
<p>sergey and i seem to ahve a perspective where we see the games and the ulterior motives.   it seems very frustrating that others just choose to not have or see the options that are nothing but the unthinkable hiding in the unthinkable. </p>
<p>when i saw watson lose his career, i knew that we were far enough along to create lysenkoism, and any other mental mind prison at whim. </p>
<p>a far as king is concerned, how about reading about his attending the highlander school? and how rosa parks attended it to learn how to do her bus thing?  and how pete seeger did too&#8230; and how the same persons that funded tuskeegee, funded highlander. etc.?</p>
<p>The Highlander Folk School, located in Monteagle, TN, was founded by Don West, District Director of the Communist Party in North Carolina, and Miles Norton, Director of the Commonwealth College. Based upon testimony by members of the school, the school was cited for conducting subversive activities by the state of Tennessee, and closed by court order in 1960</p>
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<p>Mr. Egerton shows that Mrs. Parks was in fact an alumna of an institution in Monteagle, Tennessee, known as the Highlander Folk School, usually and not inaccurately described as a &#8220;communist training school.&#8221; Highlander was founded and run by a gentleman named Myles Horton, who was never actually a member of the Communist Party but told a veteran Red pal that he didn&#8217;t join so he could avoid having the label pinned on him. For all practical purposes, Horton was a communist.</p>
<p>As Mr. Egerton writes, &#8220;Highlander had started summer workshops on school desegregation in 1954, right after the Brown decision. The Montgomery NAACP wanted to send a delegate to Highlander the next year. They chose their youth director, Rosa Parks.&#8221; </p>
<p>Mr. Egerton&#8217;s book contains a photograph of Mrs. Parks with Horton at the school in 1957, but her first training session took place only a few months before she sat down in the front of the bus in December, 1955. </p>
<p>Her action is widely and probably rightly regarded as the beginning of the civil rights movement in the South. Was it in fact an act of communist subversion?</p>
<p>In 1957 a photograph was taken of an audience at the school that showed Martin Luther King sitting in the front row. Right next to him was a comrade named Abner Berry, the correspondent of the Communist Party&#8217;s official newspaper, the Daily Worker. In the 1950s King&#8217;s enemies plastered it all over the South to discredit King and his movement. It did discredit them–at least in those quarters that thought hanging out with Communists was discreditable.</p>
<p>Today, fewer people think so, and the discovery, from opened Soviet archives, that communists really did penetrate high levels of the U.S. government and the atom bomb project, falls on ears that don&#8217;t want to hear about it. But it&#8217;s also clear that they penetrated–and used–the civil rights movement as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s well documented that King himself was surrounded by known communists like Stanley Levison and Hunter Pitts O&#8217;Dell, the latter actually a member of the party&#8217;s national committee in 1961. King&#8217;s bitterly anti-American speech on the Vietnam war, praising Ho Chi Minh and comparing American soldiers to Nazi storm troopers, in 1967 was written by Levison, whose influence on King was the main reason for FBI surveillance of him.</p>
<p>Today, Americans have been so brainwashed by the propaganda of the left, communist or not, that they&#8217;re likely to regard the Reds in the civil rights movement as the real heroes who led the fight against murderous bigots in Southern backwaters. Immersed in white guilt, a vast number of Americans now accept that the entire history of their nation up to the 1960s was a dark age of repression and hatred, with only a few bright spots like Abraham Lincoln and the crusade against Hitler.</p>
<p>Having lost their own history, Americans can no longer expect to keep the nation their history created and defined. That, of course, was the whole point–to strip away the real past as well as the legends that allow Americans to exist as a people and to put in their place new myths–and a new population–that will give birth to a new order that Myles Horton and his comrades would have liked. It&#8217;s an amazing story, about how an entire people was bamboozled out of its own heritage and its own country. Some day, when we have a good conservative administration in Washington, the Public Broadcasting System ought to make a film about it. </p>
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<p>The school and king had relations with a man by the name of Carl Brandon…  through SCEF. </p>
<p><b>Carl Branden was convicted of criminal sedition in 1954. He and his wife purchased a home for blacks in a white neighborhood to incite racial violence.  Later they were charged with bombing the same house to win sympathy for their cause and to raise money.  Ann Braden today is a founder of the Atlanta based &#8220;Center for Democratic Renewal&#8221; which smears Conservative patriots.</b></p>
<p>The Highlander school was financed by the Julius Rosenwald Fund. At one time Rosenwald headed Sears Roebuck Co. He spent $22 million financing civil rights groups. His daughter Edith Stern continued to give money to the SCEF and Highlander Folk School after her father&#8217;s death. Her husband, Alfred stern of New Orleans, fled to Russia just before he was to be arrested on spy charges.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All the footage i ever saw of Dr King seemed to come off to me as a very humble man. Albeit with a mission.

 What we have here is a clear attempt to remake him by those who lost sight years ago what the man was about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the footage i ever saw of Dr King seemed to come off to me as a very humble man. Albeit with a mission.</p>
<p> What we have here is a clear attempt to remake him by those who lost sight years ago what the man was about.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is not the militant nature of the statue fitting, considering where the movement went (if it was not clandestinely that way anyway)?  I am not a believer in the dark nature of socialism and communism combined with any &quot;freedom movement&quot;.  As for the size of the statue, which should also be contentious, the problems enumerated by the movement he has come to symbolize is as disproportionate to need and real necessity as the statue is to the man&#039;s worth, especially compared to those other memorials and men.  Sad, really, noting that every &quot;benefit&quot; gained for those people has only ensured the people he tried to free have, by a 90% margin, chained themselves to the very party which had kept it in slavery and in Jim Crow systems.  And, really, still does.  Offering fluff, pats on the head, fuffra, and bits and pieces of a broken dream, not too dissimilar from the lies, beads, blankets, and other trinkets which bought my part relatives lands.  

What was it Riddick said when he watched the little monster rip one guard apart, and as the other guard turned to get it, it&#039;s even larger mother got him from behind and from the dark?  Ah, right...  &quot;Beautiful&quot;.  And, so it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is not the militant nature of the statue fitting, considering where the movement went (if it was not clandestinely that way anyway)?  I am not a believer in the dark nature of socialism and communism combined with any &#8220;freedom movement&#8221;.  As for the size of the statue, which should also be contentious, the problems enumerated by the movement he has come to symbolize is as disproportionate to need and real necessity as the statue is to the man&#8217;s worth, especially compared to those other memorials and men.  Sad, really, noting that every &#8220;benefit&#8221; gained for those people has only ensured the people he tried to free have, by a 90% margin, chained themselves to the very party which had kept it in slavery and in Jim Crow systems.  And, really, still does.  Offering fluff, pats on the head, fuffra, and bits and pieces of a broken dream, not too dissimilar from the lies, beads, blankets, and other trinkets which bought my part relatives lands.  </p>
<p>What was it Riddick said when he watched the little monster rip one guard apart, and as the other guard turned to get it, it&#8217;s even larger mother got him from behind and from the dark?  Ah, right&#8230;  &#8220;Beautiful&#8221;.  And, so it is.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Bible, depicted in a national monument statue, is a political statement about the meaning of these words:&quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....&quot;and thus the Bible&#039;s inclusion vs exclusion is a hot political issue - which is presently unlikely to be decided in favor of inclusion - as political forces do not agree on what the seemingly simple words mean. 

It&#039;s no wonder Dr. King possesses a scolding expression in the artist&#039;s model:  he is  thoroughly disgusted that he is denied a Bible!  He is denied an acknowledgment of the central influence of his life, of his thinking, of his beliefs. 

If MLK designed his own statue, a Bible would be depicted.  His life was not about himself, nor his opinions, nor his abilities.  His life was about God, and God&#039;s opinions, and God&#039;s abilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Bible, depicted in a national monument statue, is a political statement about the meaning of these words:&#8221;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof&#8230;.&#8221;and thus the Bible&#8217;s inclusion vs exclusion is a hot political issue &#8211; which is presently unlikely to be decided in favor of inclusion &#8211; as political forces do not agree on what the seemingly simple words mean. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder Dr. King possesses a scolding expression in the artist&#8217;s model:  he is  thoroughly disgusted that he is denied a Bible!  He is denied an acknowledgment of the central influence of his life, of his thinking, of his beliefs. </p>
<p>If MLK designed his own statue, a Bible would be depicted.  His life was not about himself, nor his opinions, nor his abilities.  His life was about God, and God&#8217;s opinions, and God&#8217;s abilities.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On reflection, I wonder if Lei Yixin takes his inspiration for pugnacious attitude from the likes of Sharpton and Jeremaid Wright.

Soften the mouth, tip the head forward, loosen the arms and add the Bible.  Or else tilt the head slightly heavenward and begin the statue just below the waist, which would be set about four feet above the ground/platform, and loosen the arms and add the Bible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reflection, I wonder if Lei Yixin takes his inspiration for pugnacious attitude from the likes of Sharpton and Jeremaid Wright.</p>
<p>Soften the mouth, tip the head forward, loosen the arms and add the Bible.  Or else tilt the head slightly heavenward and begin the statue just below the waist, which would be set about four feet above the ground/platform, and loosen the arms and add the Bible.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I second njcommuter. The man was a preacher. He should be shown as such.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second njcommuter. The man was a preacher. He should be shown as such.</p>
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