It’s not just ONE thing, its literally dozens. The saying goes “you can know a man by the company he keeps”. If you attended NAMBLA meetings, we would know you by the company you decided to keep. Whether you like it or not, birds of a feather flock together. You don’t see sinners and saints at the same parties.

When a man is 8, he is forming his life’s opinions. Admiral Farragut had his first MILITARY captains commission at the age of 12.

However, how can you say it means nothing, when the communists of whose system they are promoting had this to say;

Give us the child for the first 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. — Lenin

And

“Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in
sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.Get control of all
means of publicity and thereby: Get the peoples’ mind off their
government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and
plays, and other trivialities. Divide the people into hostile groups by
constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance. Destroy
the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding up the latter to
ridicule, contempt and obloquy. Always preach true democracy but seize
power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible. Encourage government
extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear with rising prices,
inflation and general discontent. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital
industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a soft and lenient
attitude on the part of government towards such disorders. By specious
argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty,
sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness. Cause the
registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of
confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless.” Vladimir
Ilich Lenin

Sounds like our culture, no?

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge
to rule.” H. L.Mencken

so maybe you might understand that whats going on that is hurting so many people is INTENTIONAL.

Ayers is a person with the kinds of belief that is found on the extreme left.

Ayers is NOT a changed man, he has NEVER renounces his past actions, he has never renounced the weather underground… etc.

This is who Ayers refuses to renounce. (I am only putting up the stuff that either did kill or could have killed people)

October 6, 1969 & October 1970 — Weathermen blow up statue commemorating police victims of Haymarket bombings

October 8, 1969 — Weathermen/Weather Underground violent “Days of Rage“demos, Chicago — 3 shot, 300 arrested

December 1969 — Bombing of Chicago police cars

March 6, 1970 — three Weathermen (Diana Oughton, Cathlyn Wilkerson, Kathy Boudin) blow themselves up in Greenwich Village (house of Cathy Wilkerson’s father)

June 1970 — Bombing of New York City Police Headquarters

August 1970 — Bombing of Marin County Courthouse

October 1970 — Bombing of Long Island City Courthouse

August 1971 — Bombing of Department of Corrections

September 1971 — Bombing of Department of Corrections

May 1973 — Bombing of Police Precinct Office (New York City, NY)

October 1970 — bombing – Harvard “war research” — Center for Internation Affairs [action carried out by “Proud Eagle Tribe (women’s brigade) feminist bombing]

August 1970 — Truck bomb detonated at Army mathematics research center at the University of Wisconsin

March 1, 1971 — US Capitol “men’s room” — After the invasion of Laos.

October 1971 — MIT Research Center, William Bundy’s office [action carried out by “Proud Eagle Tribe” (women’s brigade) feminist bombing]
May 1972 — bombing The Pentagon

January 28, 1975 — bombing U.S. State Department

And too many bombings of draft and recruiting offices, like the recent one in times square.

Thre were also bombings of national guard headquarters, and federal health offices of education and welfare.

More than 250 bombings

Maybe this is why HAMMAS likes obama?

Heck… but this is only one person…

How about his uncle that started a seditious school, and helped overthrow a free country and turn it into a communist state?

Then there is the other uncle… then there is his dad and step father.

The list goes on.

The left loves terrorists, because the left is a bunch of them… with a long pedigree back to the French revolution.

However, bombing the pentagon during war time is what kind of act?

How about the capital and the state department

We are not talking about people who sat on the lawn, toked joints, and sang we will overcome.

There are similar links through the black national socialists, otherwise known as African nazi’s who want race war… and you can study your history and find friends of theirs who did such nice things as buy houses in white neigborhoods, move blacks into them, and then blow them up blaming the rednecks… many of the events of the south were the good old work of communists “making history” rather than “reacting to history”.

And on your claim he is a changed man

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63
Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, “I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Sounds real repentant… no?

And as far as the 8 years old thing

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

If ayers is donating, then I don’t think obama was running for office when he was eight, now was he?

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1590

In bringing professor Khalidi to Morningside Heights from the University of Chicago, Columbia also got itself a twofer of Palestinian activism and advocacy. Mr. Khalidi’s wife, Mona, who also served in Beirut as chief editor of the English section of the WAFA press agency, was hired as dean of foreign students at Columbia’s SIPA, working under Dean Anderson. In Chicago, the Khalidis founded the Arab American Action Network, and Mona Khalidi served as its president. A big farewell dinner was held in their honor by AAAN with a commemorative book filled with testimonials from their friends and political allies. These included the left wing anti-war group Not In My Name, the Electronic Intifada, and the ex-Weatherman domestic terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. (There were also testimonials from then-state Senator Barack Obama and the mayor of Chicago.) The message sent by Columbia University officials by this choice was that they were determined to honor the memory of Edward Said by continuing to have radical Palestinian activism on campus. That’s what they now have in spades. The question is whether it’s now possible within the university’s public space to even make an argument for the only democratic country in the Middle East.

Was he eight years old at this gathering?

Markus, follow your own advice “Grow a brain”

hahahahahahahahahahhahah

By your pathetic ‘guilty by association’ logic I’m sure hundredss of Democrats and Republicans alike in the state of Illinois are just as guilty, having spent as just much time working with Ayers on good causes as Obama has.

They are guilty!!

I live in Chicago.. this is the funniest thing I have read all day.

Some idiot Lefty comes in here and claims that Obama CAN NOT be corrupt because of that is the case, then the other politicians in Chicago would have be corrupt too. DUH, You think?

I am laughing out loud at this.

And am also having a good laugh at the image I have in my head of how this guy was typing his little comment, probably all full of fury! at “neocons”

Who here is a neocon, sport?

obama’s relationship with ayers is scant. obama was introduced to ayers by an outgoing state rep, for political reasons that have nothing to do with what WU did when Obama was 8 years old.

Ayers is a now changed man & is now politically and educationally respected in Chicago for his dedication to education, children and the poor. That clearly means he has just as a of scant connection with ALOT of Chicago politicians, not just Obama.

So, if Obama (as well as hundreds of other Chicago politicans) & Ayers have any connections, it was for political reasons in the name of good – education, children and the poor. Were you listening – they both served on the same board at Woods Foundation? Care to explain to me what Woods Foundation does/

You pathetic neocons want so bad to play it up as if Obama & Ayers are involved in some kind of clandestine operation to overthrow the govermnent.

By your pathetic ‘guilty by association’ logic I’m sure hundredss of Democrats and Republicans alike in the state of Illinois are just as guilty, having spent as just much time working with Ayers on good causes as Obama has.

Grow a brain.

I read the Collins comment too, after I saw it linked here. I have to say it is links like that that keep me visiting blogs like this one.

I agree that after reading that it’s looks a lot like the Herald misconstrued the intention of Collins.

However, when you read Collins full response from that link, you can’t escape his critical assertions about how we’ve conducted the war.

My point still stands and I’d still prefer to read about hard issues like the war itself. Just my preference. Neo can write about what she wants, but I may not want to read it. The fan’s prerogative.

In the end I kind of see the war this way: Liberals are far too pessimistic and conservative are far too optimistic, which puts a skeptic like myself in a dilemma. Who do I trust? I’ll choose a liberal who sees some success in Iraq or a conservative who’s willing to admit error over intransigence.

Maybe neo isn’t writing about it because…

“So we asked the author, Joseph Collins, to provide some context. His reply:

The Miami Herald story (“Pentagon Study: War is a ‘Debacle’ “) distorts the nature of and intent of my personal research project. It was not an NDU study, nor was it a Pentagon study. Indeed, the implication of the Herald story was that this study was mostly about current events. Such is not the case. It was mainly about the period 2002-04. The story also hypes a number of paragraphs, many of which are quoted out of context. The study does not “lay much of the blame” on Secretary Rumsfeld for problems in the conduct of the war, nor does it say that he “bypassed the Joint Chiefs of Staff.” It does not single out “Condoleeza Rice and Stephen Hadley” for criticism.”

…maybe because, you know, it isn’t true.

Frustrated? Start your own blog, or find another…

So, Neo is wasting her time on “nonsense”, are you really a fan? Neo has her agenda, apparently you have failed to understand the implications of the name she has given this blog, it’s not Progressive’s Pablum… She’s not wasting my time, that’s why I’m here, and I can’t thing of topics more important; This is editorial journalism exploring the significant associations of a fraud who is aspiring to the White House…

First of all, I’m not a crybaby and I’m not a liberal. I also don’t support Obama. I’m an independent.

Second, I hope for success in Iraq, but I worry that we will be defeated from both the left and the right. I’m very bothered by liberals who hope for defeat in Iraq because it will mean a defeat for Bush/ Cheney/ Republicans, etc. But I’m also concerned that conservatives will contribute to a defeat by not addressing honestly the real problems with our mission in Iraq. I think the article I mentioned addresses this issue.

I’m frustrated that Neo is wasting her time on this Omama/Wright/Ayers nonsense when I want to hear about more important matters.

Of course, it’s totally up to her to write about what she wants. But as a fan, I can make a request, can’t I?

Let me hear that from Obama.