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		By: Bugs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/11/on-patience-the-west-vs-islamicist-totalitarianism/#comment-64111</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bugs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[D-Smith, I said &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; I believed Islam or Catholicism were responsible for terrorism. Can&#039;t you read?

You are correct that there is no practical, humane way to wage military war against an ideology. I would also not advocate the harsh measures proposed elsewhere in this thread - banning Muslims from the country, etc. It&#039;s a culture war, a propaganda war and yes, even a diplomatic war. 

But when American blood is shed in the name of Islam (or Catholicism or any religion) then blood must be the price. Someone must pay. There must be &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; consequences for attacks on our country - not just mealy-mouth liberal platitudes about &quot;root causes&quot; and &quot;tolerance.&quot; We have to draw the line.

You&#039;re right - we cannot counterattack against &quot;Islam.&quot; But we can counterattack against its radical practitioners and their enablers and supporters. If that means expelling radical preachers from our country, outlawing Muslim &quot;charities&quot; and political organizations, shutting off aid to Muslim theocracies - good. If it means selective airstrikes against countries known to support Islamic terrorists - also good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D-Smith, I said <i>if</i> I believed Islam or Catholicism were responsible for terrorism. Can&#8217;t you read?</p>
<p>You are correct that there is no practical, humane way to wage military war against an ideology. I would also not advocate the harsh measures proposed elsewhere in this thread &#8211; banning Muslims from the country, etc. It&#8217;s a culture war, a propaganda war and yes, even a diplomatic war. </p>
<p>But when American blood is shed in the name of Islam (or Catholicism or any religion) then blood must be the price. Someone must pay. There must be <i>real</i> consequences for attacks on our country &#8211; not just mealy-mouth liberal platitudes about &#8220;root causes&#8221; and &#8220;tolerance.&#8221; We have to draw the line.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; we cannot counterattack against &#8220;Islam.&#8221; But we can counterattack against its radical practitioners and their enablers and supporters. If that means expelling radical preachers from our country, outlawing Muslim &#8220;charities&#8221; and political organizations, shutting off aid to Muslim theocracies &#8211; good. If it means selective airstrikes against countries known to support Islamic terrorists &#8211; also good.</p>
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		By: Vince P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/11/on-patience-the-west-vs-islamicist-totalitarianism/#comment-64085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey: good catch.  

It&#039;s amazing isn&#039;t it how self-deluded the Left is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey: good catch.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing isn&#8217;t it how self-deluded the Left is.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/11/on-patience-the-west-vs-islamicist-totalitarianism/#comment-64077</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Muslim Brothers (Arabic: Ø§Ù„Ø¥Ø®ÙˆØ§Ù† Ø§Ù„Ù…Ø³Ù„Ù…ÙˆÙ† al-ikhwÄn al-muslimÅ«n, full title &quot;The Society of the Muslim Brothers&quot;, often simply Ø§Ù„Ø¥Ø®ÙˆØ§Ù† al-ikhwÄn, &quot;the Brotherhood&quot; or &quot;MB&quot;) is an international Sunni Islamist movement and the world&#039;s largest, most influential political Islamist group,[1] particularly in Egypt. Founded by the Sufi schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna in 1928, several linked groups have since formed across many nations of the Muslim world.&quot;
This has nothing to do with CIA and everything with Sayyid Qutb.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Muslim Brothers (Arabic: Ø§Ù„Ø¥Ø®ÙˆØ§Ù† Ø§Ù„Ù…Ø³Ù„Ù…ÙˆÙ† al-ikhwÄn al-muslimÅ«n, full title &#8220;The Society of the Muslim Brothers&#8221;, often simply Ø§Ù„Ø¥Ø®ÙˆØ§Ù† al-ikhwÄn, &#8220;the Brotherhood&#8221; or &#8220;MB&#8221;) is an international Sunni Islamist movement and the world&#8217;s largest, most influential political Islamist group,[1] particularly in Egypt. Founded by the Sufi schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna in 1928, several linked groups have since formed across many nations of the Muslim world.&#8221;<br />
This has nothing to do with CIA and everything with Sayyid Qutb.</p>
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		By: FredHjr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[VinceP and I are in accord:  that Islam is a political ideology of imperialistic conquest and Arab supremacism.

Once one reads the founding texts of Islam, the Qur&#039;an and the two most authoritative ahadith, Bukhari and Muslim, and reads about the life and deeds of Muhammad, one cannot but help face this issue squarely on.

Islam is NOT a religion.  It is utterly barren of spirituality and humanistic morality.  It is mainly a blueprint for war and domination, theft and rapine.

It gets away with being classified as a religion because the majority of our society is conditioned not to do the things you need to do in order to arrive at an accurate assessment of the threat.  People generally like to cut corners and not do their homework.  For many, in school they were allowed, even in college, to bluff their way through many classes.  I know people who rarely did their assignments.  On top of that basic sloth, you have the inability to break out of the liberal mantras to think critically about anything.  People substitute &quot;feelings&quot; for hard thinking.  Lastly, we allow our political, educational, and media elites to get away with their scandalous lack of spade work on Islam.  We don&#039;t challenge them enough, and call their bluff when they are bullshitting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VinceP and I are in accord:  that Islam is a political ideology of imperialistic conquest and Arab supremacism.</p>
<p>Once one reads the founding texts of Islam, the Qur&#8217;an and the two most authoritative ahadith, Bukhari and Muslim, and reads about the life and deeds of Muhammad, one cannot but help face this issue squarely on.</p>
<p>Islam is NOT a religion.  It is utterly barren of spirituality and humanistic morality.  It is mainly a blueprint for war and domination, theft and rapine.</p>
<p>It gets away with being classified as a religion because the majority of our society is conditioned not to do the things you need to do in order to arrive at an accurate assessment of the threat.  People generally like to cut corners and not do their homework.  For many, in school they were allowed, even in college, to bluff their way through many classes.  I know people who rarely did their assignments.  On top of that basic sloth, you have the inability to break out of the liberal mantras to think critically about anything.  People substitute &#8220;feelings&#8221; for hard thinking.  Lastly, we allow our political, educational, and media elites to get away with their scandalous lack of spade work on Islam.  We don&#8217;t challenge them enough, and call their bluff when they are bullshitting.</p>
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		By: Vince P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/11/on-patience-the-west-vs-islamicist-totalitarianism/#comment-63861</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Iran will have nuclear weapons within a year if they dont already have them.

We dont have another election cycle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran will have nuclear weapons within a year if they dont already have them.</p>
<p>We dont have another election cycle.</p>
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		By: DuMaurier-Smith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/11/on-patience-the-west-vs-islamicist-totalitarianism/#comment-63858</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuMaurier-Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vince P:  Practicality includes political realities.  I&#039;m as worried about the looney Democratic leadership as you are, but I see little hope of stripping them of rights.  Maybe, if we ever get the right leadership in place, we can make the public understand how crazy they are and vote them out.  This election cycle?  I doubt it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince P:  Practicality includes political realities.  I&#8217;m as worried about the looney Democratic leadership as you are, but I see little hope of stripping them of rights.  Maybe, if we ever get the right leadership in place, we can make the public understand how crazy they are and vote them out.  This election cycle?  I doubt it.</p>
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		By: Vince P		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/11/on-patience-the-west-vs-islamicist-totalitarianism/#comment-63856</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Lots of luck on defining Islam as a political military organization instead of a religion&lt;/i&gt;

I said ideology not organization.

The holy texts of islam concern themselves mostly with matters political and martial. There is very little spirituality.  That&#039;s why I characterize Islam the way I do.


&lt;i&gt;Stopping Muslim immigration on the basis of the religion is a pipe dream, as you admit.&lt;/i&gt;

The Muslims should pray the day never comes that such a thing occurs..  because the perceptating event would have to be horrible indeed.

&lt;i&gt;So, all in all, I guess you agree with me there is no practical way to wage war on a religion. &lt;/i&gt;

My suggestions are utterly practical.  Unfortunately unless we strip the political rights of Democrats away, the country will have no will to do anything to seriously defend itself until after its&#039; too late.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lots of luck on defining Islam as a political military organization instead of a religion</i></p>
<p>I said ideology not organization.</p>
<p>The holy texts of islam concern themselves mostly with matters political and martial. There is very little spirituality.  That&#8217;s why I characterize Islam the way I do.</p>
<p><i>Stopping Muslim immigration on the basis of the religion is a pipe dream, as you admit.</i></p>
<p>The Muslims should pray the day never comes that such a thing occurs..  because the perceptating event would have to be horrible indeed.</p>
<p><i>So, all in all, I guess you agree with me there is no practical way to wage war on a religion. </i></p>
<p>My suggestions are utterly practical.  Unfortunately unless we strip the political rights of Democrats away, the country will have no will to do anything to seriously defend itself until after its&#8217; too late.</p>
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		By: DuMaurier-Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuMaurier-Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[VinceP:  Of course I realize we are in a war.  I&#039;ve been amply expressive of a blood thirst regarding Muslim terrorists.  May I point out what you&#039;ve proposed is hardly a religious war, and not much different from the status quo war on terror.

Lots of luck on defining Islam as a political military organization instead of a religion. Political militant Muslims (i.e., terrorists) we can already prosecute.  Illegals may be exported.  Stopping Muslim immigration on the basis of the religion is a pipe dream, as you admit.

So, all in all, I guess you agree with me there is no practical way to wage war on a religion.  But I&#039;m not so glum as you about being defeated by Islamic fundamentalists.  We can certainly make the price too dear for any country, even a theocratic one, to sponsor or abet terrorists(of any stripe).  If we are defeated, it will be from within, from the lack will and insane ideology of multi-culturalists who would welcome a foreign takeover.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VinceP:  Of course I realize we are in a war.  I&#8217;ve been amply expressive of a blood thirst regarding Muslim terrorists.  May I point out what you&#8217;ve proposed is hardly a religious war, and not much different from the status quo war on terror.</p>
<p>Lots of luck on defining Islam as a political military organization instead of a religion. Political militant Muslims (i.e., terrorists) we can already prosecute.  Illegals may be exported.  Stopping Muslim immigration on the basis of the religion is a pipe dream, as you admit.</p>
<p>So, all in all, I guess you agree with me there is no practical way to wage war on a religion.  But I&#8217;m not so glum as you about being defeated by Islamic fundamentalists.  We can certainly make the price too dear for any country, even a theocratic one, to sponsor or abet terrorists(of any stripe).  If we are defeated, it will be from within, from the lack will and insane ideology of multi-culturalists who would welcome a foreign takeover.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grackle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;For your short memory and stupidity the Muslim Brotherhood’s was product of CIA, go back read where its founded and who supported from the start.&lt;/i&gt;

It doesn&#039;t much matter what vile organization, nation or individual is spoken about but that sooner or later some person or persons will show up on the scene and vehemently declare that they were created by America. 

We observe this phenomenon whether the subject is Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Pol Pot, Stalin, Iran after the Shah, the Ayatollah Khomeini, various fascist individuals or movements, various terrorist organizations, Communists, etc.  

All these America-blamers believe all listed above were peacefully existing in a peaceful world - are pictured as picking daisies, counting stars or otherwise engaged in peaceful pursuits - until of course the Great Satan(America) rushes into their lives and throws a spell on them and then they commit great crimes of murder and subjugation. 

For a short course in the Muslim Brotherhood click the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For your short memory and stupidity the Muslim Brotherhood’s was product of CIA, go back read where its founded and who supported from the start.</i></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t much matter what vile organization, nation or individual is spoken about but that sooner or later some person or persons will show up on the scene and vehemently declare that they were created by America. </p>
<p>We observe this phenomenon whether the subject is Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Pol Pot, Stalin, Iran after the Shah, the Ayatollah Khomeini, various fascist individuals or movements, various terrorist organizations, Communists, etc.  </p>
<p>All these America-blamers believe all listed above were peacefully existing in a peaceful world &#8211; are pictured as picking daisies, counting stars or otherwise engaged in peaceful pursuits &#8211; until of course the Great Satan(America) rushes into their lives and throws a spell on them and then they commit great crimes of murder and subjugation. </p>
<p>For a short course in the Muslim Brotherhood click the link below:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood</a></p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;the Muslim Brotherhood’s&lt;/i&gt;

For your short memory and stupidity the Muslim Brotherhood’s was product of CIA, go back read where its founded and and who supported from the start.

Don&#039;t just rush and put every rubbish here and trying call this the ISLAM and these are Muslims.

Keep lies for your sick mind raciest hatemonger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the Muslim Brotherhood’s</i></p>
<p>For your short memory and stupidity the Muslim Brotherhood’s was product of CIA, go back read where its founded and and who supported from the start.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t just rush and put every rubbish here and trying call this the ISLAM and these are Muslims.</p>
<p>Keep lies for your sick mind raciest hatemonger.</p>
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