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		By: Truth		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oplologiesto neo and oother friend here of going out of topic, but this for Ymarsakar

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This your friends Al-Hakim and Bader (sorry Iraqi forces) abuse women, and wear burkhas in Baghdad universities! these student talking these guys from &quot;Islamic&quot; parties send their dogs to the universities abuse women, and wear burkhas in Baghdad so are these &quot;Wahabis&quot; or terrorist guys &quot;Not Bader and not the “militias”.&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oplologiesto neo and oother friend here of going out of topic, but this for Ymarsakar</p>
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<p>This your friends Al-Hakim and Bader (sorry Iraqi forces) abuse women, and wear burkhas in Baghdad universities! these student talking these guys from &#8220;Islamic&#8221; parties send their dogs to the universities abuse women, and wear burkhas in Baghdad so are these &#8220;Wahabis&#8221; or terrorist guys &#8220;Not Bader and not the “militias”.&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/09/the-importance-of-training-the-iraqi-army/#comment-63570</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;where telling you that you’re wrong is opposing freedom of speech?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Excuse me what make your saying right?
I doubt you new Iraq before may be you get knew or  hear about Iraq when the name of a brutal dictatorship Saddam , THEN you can complain about a brutal dictatorship you did not suffer from him. &lt;b&gt;“Until then you’ve got no right.”&lt;/b&gt;

What I linked it’s a realities and things that reported as it happened were is wrong in telling them? Or you still under propaganda of WMD and all those lies?

Tell you more realities what’s the differences between a brutal dictatorship and your freedom and democracy that brought Iranian lover but without tribunes on their heads with their Iranians crated, founded and trained militia read these from a man was working with US in Iraq he is from inside Bremer administration and one: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The corroded and corrupt state of Saddam was replaced by the corroded, inefficient, incompetent and corrupt state of the new order,&quot; Ali A. Allawi concludes in &quot;The Occupation of Iraq,&quot; newly published by Yale University Press.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;First came the &quot;monumental ignorance&quot; of those in Washington pushing for war in 2002 without &quot;the faintest idea&quot; of Iraq&#039;s realities. &quot;More perceptive people knew instinctively that the invasion of Iraq would open up the great fissures in Iraqi society,&quot; he writes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Bremer, who wrote his own account of his time in Baghdad, contended his authority was undermined by &quot;micromanagement&quot; from Washington, where he thought officials in the administration tried &quot;to set me up as a fall guy&quot; for problems in Iraq.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Though U.S. generals in Iraq repeatedly asked the administration to reinstate dismissed officers from Saddam&#039;s army, Bremer recounted in his book &quot;My Year in Iraq,&quot; they were consistently refused at the highest levels. In the end, however, senior Defense Department officials sought to distance themselves from the decision to disband the old Iraqi army, and it became &quot;etched into America&#039;s consciousness&quot; that it was Bremer who &quot;had made a grave error in demobilizing the Iraqi forces,&quot; he wrote.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
The author has been instrumental since 2005 in publicizing extensive corruption within Iraq&#039;s &quot;new order,&quot; including an $800-million Defense Ministry scandal. Under Saddam, he writes, the secret police kept would-be plunderers in check better than the U.S. occupiers have done.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1814064/posts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraqi&#039;s book&lt;/a&gt; takes on U.S. mismanagement


Is he also wrong, and you are right setting in you comfort home or office writing your words claiming we are wrong madam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>where telling you that you’re wrong is opposing freedom of speech?</b></i></p>
<p>Excuse me what make your saying right?<br />
I doubt you new Iraq before may be you get knew or  hear about Iraq when the name of a brutal dictatorship Saddam , THEN you can complain about a brutal dictatorship you did not suffer from him. <b>“Until then you’ve got no right.”</b></p>
<p>What I linked it’s a realities and things that reported as it happened were is wrong in telling them? Or you still under propaganda of WMD and all those lies?</p>
<p>Tell you more realities what’s the differences between a brutal dictatorship and your freedom and democracy that brought Iranian lover but without tribunes on their heads with their Iranians crated, founded and trained militia read these from a man was working with US in Iraq he is from inside Bremer administration and one: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The corroded and corrupt state of Saddam was replaced by the corroded, inefficient, incompetent and corrupt state of the new order,&#8221; Ali A. Allawi concludes in &#8220;The Occupation of Iraq,&#8221; newly published by Yale University Press.
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<blockquote><p>First came the &#8220;monumental ignorance&#8221; of those in Washington pushing for war in 2002 without &#8220;the faintest idea&#8221; of Iraq&#8217;s realities. &#8220;More perceptive people knew instinctively that the invasion of Iraq would open up the great fissures in Iraqi society,&#8221; he writes.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Bremer, who wrote his own account of his time in Baghdad, contended his authority was undermined by &#8220;micromanagement&#8221; from Washington, where he thought officials in the administration tried &#8220;to set me up as a fall guy&#8221; for problems in Iraq.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Though U.S. generals in Iraq repeatedly asked the administration to reinstate dismissed officers from Saddam&#8217;s army, Bremer recounted in his book &#8220;My Year in Iraq,&#8221; they were consistently refused at the highest levels. In the end, however, senior Defense Department officials sought to distance themselves from the decision to disband the old Iraqi army, and it became &#8220;etched into America&#8217;s consciousness&#8221; that it was Bremer who &#8220;had made a grave error in demobilizing the Iraqi forces,&#8221; he wrote.</p></blockquote>
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The author has been instrumental since 2005 in publicizing extensive corruption within Iraq&#8217;s &#8220;new order,&#8221; including an $800-million Defense Ministry scandal. Under Saddam, he writes, the secret police kept would-be plunderers in check better than the U.S. occupiers have done.
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<p><a HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1814064/posts" rel="nofollow">Iraqi&#8217;s book</a> takes on U.S. mismanagement</p>
<p>Is he also wrong, and you are right setting in you comfort home or office writing your words claiming we are wrong madam.</p>
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		By: Synova		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Synova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who&#039;s definition of &quot;freedom of speech&quot; are you using?  The one where telling you that you&#039;re wrong is opposing freedom of speech?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s definition of &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; are you using?  The one where telling you that you&#8217;re wrong is opposing freedom of speech?</p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/09/the-importance-of-training-the-iraqi-army/#comment-63545</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Synova,

Although you don&#039;t believe in freedom of speech for others,

But go and read 5000 years of history of Iraq and how this melting pot lived for that long without problem despite the colourful and mosaic society in that land.
Keep in mind Baghdad fallen to a brutal invaders 16 times till now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Synova,</p>
<p>Although you don&#8217;t believe in freedom of speech for others,</p>
<p>But go and read 5000 years of history of Iraq and how this melting pot lived for that long without problem despite the colourful and mosaic society in that land.<br />
Keep in mind Baghdad fallen to a brutal invaders 16 times till now.</p>
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		By: Synova		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/09/the-importance-of-training-the-iraqi-army/#comment-63541</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Synova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thing about a melting pot, Truth, is that it has to *melt*.   A brutal dictatorship that gasses one group and tries to wipe out another group and manages to oppress even the majority group... not a melting pot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about a melting pot, Truth, is that it has to *melt*.   A brutal dictatorship that gasses one group and tries to wipe out another group and manages to oppress even the majority group&#8230; not a melting pot.</p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/04/09/the-importance-of-training-the-iraqi-army/#comment-63537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The delays to get proper Iraqi army not as you think due to tribalism culture.
Before the American invasion of Iraq, you had one of the most secular, and brutal, governments of the Middle East. There was a fierce separation of religion from the running of the state. Now, after the fall of the state and resulting turmoil, If you&#039;ll ignore that Iraq was a melting pot of many different ethnic and cultural groups, not to mention a massive gap between Iraqis living in the cities and those living in the countryside AND totally discount the Kurdish ETHNIC and CULTURAL minority, then I guess you can say tribalism culture do play their part, however, nowhere near the importance many seem to think.


&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/08/0081159&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The minister of civil war:&lt;/a&gt;
Bayan Jabr, Paul Bremer, and the rise of the Iraqi death squads]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The delays to get proper Iraqi army not as you think due to tribalism culture.<br />
Before the American invasion of Iraq, you had one of the most secular, and brutal, governments of the Middle East. There was a fierce separation of religion from the running of the state. Now, after the fall of the state and resulting turmoil, If you&#8217;ll ignore that Iraq was a melting pot of many different ethnic and cultural groups, not to mention a massive gap between Iraqis living in the cities and those living in the countryside AND totally discount the Kurdish ETHNIC and CULTURAL minority, then I guess you can say tribalism culture do play their part, however, nowhere near the importance many seem to think.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/08/0081159" rel="nofollow">The minister of civil war:</a><br />
Bayan Jabr, Paul Bremer, and the rise of the Iraqi death squads</p>
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		By: Truth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,

I think you either been ignorant or you like to divert the talk far from the realities which is most if not all of the guys in Iraqi government (what you call them majority Shiites) are Iranians creation, supported and Iranian hearts loyalty in their chess). It’s not hard to find unless some of you made his mind by ignoring all the facts of their 20 years history and their behaviours now in Iraq.

Well tell me what you call a guy after one month of invasion went to Tehran standing their calling Iraq to pay 100 billion to Iran in compensation while he is for 20 years crying about the Iraqi in the south and his country in carnage and need to be rebuild and “His” people in Iraq in dispirit in need for public services and food and all of that?

Finally while you talking of rule of law in Iraq look to you men who fogot to obay rule of law.
Read this which is by American went there inside Iraq who telling that these Police criminals brigades &lt;i&gt;“Death Squads”&lt;/i&gt; withdraw back for re-trained!!! Imagine those you mentioned who &quot;&lt;i&gt;drill holes in people decapitate them,&lt;/i&gt; goes for retrained? 
Do these terrorists and criminals need more training or they should bring to the rule of law?

&lt;blockquote&gt;BARNEY PORTER: Something is being done now, but it&#039;s a tacit acknowledgement of that man&#039;s claim.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Iraq has demobilised an entire police brigade suspected of links to sectarian death squads, and moved it to a US military base for retraining.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
The announcement follows two recent mass abductions by death squads in Baghdad.General Caldwell says problems with the unit were discovered after a routine review of the Iraqi forces.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,</p>
<p>I think you either been ignorant or you like to divert the talk far from the realities which is most if not all of the guys in Iraqi government (what you call them majority Shiites) are Iranians creation, supported and Iranian hearts loyalty in their chess). It’s not hard to find unless some of you made his mind by ignoring all the facts of their 20 years history and their behaviours now in Iraq.</p>
<p>Well tell me what you call a guy after one month of invasion went to Tehran standing their calling Iraq to pay 100 billion to Iran in compensation while he is for 20 years crying about the Iraqi in the south and his country in carnage and need to be rebuild and “His” people in Iraq in dispirit in need for public services and food and all of that?</p>
<p>Finally while you talking of rule of law in Iraq look to you men who fogot to obay rule of law.<br />
Read this which is by American went there inside Iraq who telling that these Police criminals brigades <i>“Death Squads”</i> withdraw back for re-trained!!! Imagine those you mentioned who &#8220;<i>drill holes in people decapitate them,</i> goes for retrained?<br />
Do these terrorists and criminals need more training or they should bring to the rule of law?</p>
<blockquote><p>BARNEY PORTER: Something is being done now, but it&#8217;s a tacit acknowledgement of that man&#8217;s claim.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Iraq has demobilised an entire police brigade suspected of links to sectarian death squads, and moved it to a US military base for retraining.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
The announcement follows two recent mass abductions by death squads in Baghdad.General Caldwell says problems with the unit were discovered after a routine review of the Iraqi forces.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brits also were training and arming an Hindus army. Eventually they were faced with Sepoy Mutiny. This risk is inherent in any such enterprise, but it is much less if there is a consensual aboriginal government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brits also were training and arming an Hindus army. Eventually they were faced with Sepoy Mutiny. This risk is inherent in any such enterprise, but it is much less if there is a consensual aboriginal government.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[War in Chechnya was won by using Russia-trained and armed Chechen battalions. Their loyalty can be bought by giving them enough autonomy and power above other tribes as well as financial subsidies.
In Old Russia there was so-called &quot;Wild Division&quot; consisting of volonters from Muslim and other non-Christian ethnicities structured to combat units according tribal lines. In Great War it was used for most dangerous assignments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War in Chechnya was won by using Russia-trained and armed Chechen battalions. Their loyalty can be bought by giving them enough autonomy and power above other tribes as well as financial subsidies.<br />
In Old Russia there was so-called &#8220;Wild Division&#8221; consisting of volonters from Muslim and other non-Christian ethnicities structured to combat units according tribal lines. In Great War it was used for most dangerous assignments.</p>
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		By: sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is often poorly understood is that tribalism often means much more in ME and everywhere than religious affiliation. Arabs are inherently tribal; Persians are not, and their societal structure is better described by a traditional Asian despotic autocracy. And this is tyranny which makes Arab armies inefficient, not tribal culture: the latter in form of so-called &quot;military democracy&quot; is rather efficient in combat. Chechen rebels had much more initiative and inventiveness in combat, than Russian troops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is often poorly understood is that tribalism often means much more in ME and everywhere than religious affiliation. Arabs are inherently tribal; Persians are not, and their societal structure is better described by a traditional Asian despotic autocracy. And this is tyranny which makes Arab armies inefficient, not tribal culture: the latter in form of so-called &#8220;military democracy&#8221; is rather efficient in combat. Chechen rebels had much more initiative and inventiveness in combat, than Russian troops.</p>
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