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		By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What is clockwise? &quot;
(Are you being silly?)
If somebody asked you to spin clockwise, could you?  I could.
a) right foot on ground, turning right, &quot;pushing&quot; with shoulders, left foot up &#038; trailing, OR
b) left foot on ground, turning right, &quot;falling&quot; with my right foot sort of leading -- like the dancer.

Which foot is on the floor?  

It can be either, but in both directions it feels like the (b) kind of falling turning.

I use the mouse with my left hand to exercise my right brain a bit.

Delightful post, Neo.

(J. Peden&#039;s advice helped me control the otherwise less controlled switching.  Mostly clockwise for me.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is clockwise? &#8221;<br />
(Are you being silly?)<br />
If somebody asked you to spin clockwise, could you?  I could.<br />
a) right foot on ground, turning right, &#8220;pushing&#8221; with shoulders, left foot up &amp; trailing, OR<br />
b) left foot on ground, turning right, &#8220;falling&#8221; with my right foot sort of leading &#8212; like the dancer.</p>
<p>Which foot is on the floor?  </p>
<p>It can be either, but in both directions it feels like the (b) kind of falling turning.</p>
<p>I use the mouse with my left hand to exercise my right brain a bit.</p>
<p>Delightful post, Neo.</p>
<p>(J. Peden&#8217;s advice helped me control the otherwise less controlled switching.  Mostly clockwise for me.)</p>
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		By: J. Peden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What is “clockwise” supposed to mean?&lt;/i&gt;

Amen.  And what is this &quot;anti-clockwise&quot; business?  Why is &quot;anti&quot; better than &quot;counter&quot;? And...

One other burning question: could &quot;being right/left handed&quot; discourage people from using their other hand from an early age and somehow inhibit development of one side of the brain to its fullest?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is “clockwise” supposed to mean?</i></p>
<p>Amen.  And what is this &#8220;anti-clockwise&#8221; business?  Why is &#8220;anti&#8221; better than &#8220;counter&#8221;? And&#8230;</p>
<p>One other burning question: could &#8220;being right/left handed&#8221; discourage people from using their other hand from an early age and somehow inhibit development of one side of the brain to its fullest?</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cj, 
  you sound like an engineer..  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cj,<br />
  you sound like an engineer..  🙂</p>
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		By: CJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am baffled by the &quot;dancer&quot;. What is &quot;clockwise&quot; supposed to mean? Is it clockwise when looking down at her from above? Or when looking up from the floor? Her weight placement is of course impossible, since only her heel ever touches the floor, and that only for a moment at the end of each revolution. Why doesn&#039;t she spin with the weight on the ball of her foot? Would that wreck the effect? Perhaps I am suffering some sort of brain dysfunction, because the whole thing makes no sense to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am baffled by the &#8220;dancer&#8221;. What is &#8220;clockwise&#8221; supposed to mean? Is it clockwise when looking down at her from above? Or when looking up from the floor? Her weight placement is of course impossible, since only her heel ever touches the floor, and that only for a moment at the end of each revolution. Why doesn&#8217;t she spin with the weight on the ball of her foot? Would that wreck the effect? Perhaps I am suffering some sort of brain dysfunction, because the whole thing makes no sense to me.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas,

sorry.. i was referring to the hell that they put and ahve put the gifted through.  from social experimentation with ulterior motives. like putting us in classes with the most violent kids, thinking that our brains will rub off and we will make geniuses out of people who think torturing is a fun way to spend a day.   or how adults would waltz into my life, pretending to be the best friends, but they were researchers with their agendas, so they made friends, got what they wanted, then left the kid by himself a freak. 

here is another older person who was gifted, and unlike me, a lot more bitter. 

http://celiagreen.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-research-on-gifted-children.html

&lt;i&gt;There is every reason to think that many of those involved in education have ideological axes to grind; and even if they did not, they are in a position of so much power to influence what goes on in the lives of their victims, that it could hardly be expected that their subconscious motives would not have considerable influence on the outcome. Their motives are not necessarily purely ideological; they may simply prefer or dislike one type of person rather than another. In particular, jealousy of exceptional ability, exceeding their own, is likely to be a very influential force in the situation.

&lt;/i&gt;


the stories i could tell..   meanwhile, they loved to use such kitsche as left and right brained, and other catches, to label us and sort us, then do things to us. 

i remember a freind who broke down before he could be tested... never made it anywhere.. the games were too much on top of academic acheivment they didnt want him to have, so they could cook the books. 

right now in colorado they will do somethig similar. now poor = gifted... so if a kid is poor and a minority he or she gets in the gifted program.  (cause we are all the same. like those sociopaths and psychopaths that destroyed my ability to breath normally). 

its nice. under the guise of social whatever, the teachers will spend all their time working on kids that cant do the work, and so what happens to all the smart kids who are predominantly jewish, chinese, or caucasian? 

can you spell ted kazynski? 

[have you ever read his tract? its the kind of thing that movemetns are founded on - and would have been if teddy was more the political animal than the fix it yourself kind of guy]

to quote 
&quot;&lt;i&gt;Criticising the sacred assumptions of the modern ideology and breaking the taboo about complaining of the damage done to your life by properly appointed agents of the collective seems to be regarded as even more reprehensible than pornography.
&lt;/i&gt;&quot;



so i was referring to a personal gripe in how the collectivist system has managed to insure that the best and brightest actually dont go anywhere. 

care to see what the roles are for engineering, and sciences?  

left brain right brain is populist crapola... 

its like nature nurture...  its not some opposing proportions on a scale. its 100% of both.  duh. 

read about &lt;b&gt;tall poppy syndrome&lt;/b&gt;, and how we hate success, and deem that those who are, are cheaters...  ergo, paris hilton is a giant, emmy noether is unknown, and sanger a eugenicist whose eugenics mag hitler was a fan of, is a hero. 

ack! 

another quote

&lt;b&gt;The only form of success to which people have little resistance is that of socially appointed oppressors of humanity, in which case the successful person may enjoy some status and power over others so long as he retains his position, but is unlikely to become rich enough to enjoy any autonomy. He is not going to be free to do anything he wants in any way he could get anything out of, and will always be expected to get his kicks out of frustrating and oppressing other people&lt;/b&gt;


for some reason, this post churned up the past. 

why, i dont know.  



&lt;i&gt;The power of society depends on the power of the lie. The power of the lie is very great.

The power of the individual depends on the right of possession and the sanctity of facts.

Neither of these is recognised by society. It is only in a capitalist society that there is a recognition of the individual’s right to the facts. He has a right to the facts about his possessions. Consequently facts are themselves regarded as possessing a certain value. In a socialist society no one has any right to the facts. There is no point in facts at all. The power of the state, which is the sole good, is best safeguarded by there being no facts.

People are subjective, but some people are more subjective than others and those who believe in society are the most subjective of all. This is because they have abandoned to society their right to assess facts for themselves in return for the power that society will give them over other men. The high priests of society are social workers, doctors and psychiatrists. Their function is to convince others that they are being subjective when they criticise society.

(from the forthcoming book The Corpse and the Kingdom)

&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>sorry.. i was referring to the hell that they put and ahve put the gifted through.  from social experimentation with ulterior motives. like putting us in classes with the most violent kids, thinking that our brains will rub off and we will make geniuses out of people who think torturing is a fun way to spend a day.   or how adults would waltz into my life, pretending to be the best friends, but they were researchers with their agendas, so they made friends, got what they wanted, then left the kid by himself a freak. </p>
<p>here is another older person who was gifted, and unlike me, a lot more bitter. </p>
<p><a href="http://celiagreen.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-research-on-gifted-children.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://celiagreen.blogspot.com/2008/01/more-research-on-gifted-children.html</a></p>
<p><i>There is every reason to think that many of those involved in education have ideological axes to grind; and even if they did not, they are in a position of so much power to influence what goes on in the lives of their victims, that it could hardly be expected that their subconscious motives would not have considerable influence on the outcome. Their motives are not necessarily purely ideological; they may simply prefer or dislike one type of person rather than another. In particular, jealousy of exceptional ability, exceeding their own, is likely to be a very influential force in the situation.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>the stories i could tell..   meanwhile, they loved to use such kitsche as left and right brained, and other catches, to label us and sort us, then do things to us. </p>
<p>i remember a freind who broke down before he could be tested&#8230; never made it anywhere.. the games were too much on top of academic acheivment they didnt want him to have, so they could cook the books. </p>
<p>right now in colorado they will do somethig similar. now poor = gifted&#8230; so if a kid is poor and a minority he or she gets in the gifted program.  (cause we are all the same. like those sociopaths and psychopaths that destroyed my ability to breath normally). </p>
<p>its nice. under the guise of social whatever, the teachers will spend all their time working on kids that cant do the work, and so what happens to all the smart kids who are predominantly jewish, chinese, or caucasian? </p>
<p>can you spell ted kazynski? </p>
<p>[have you ever read his tract? its the kind of thing that movemetns are founded on &#8211; and would have been if teddy was more the political animal than the fix it yourself kind of guy]</p>
<p>to quote<br />
&#8220;<i>Criticising the sacred assumptions of the modern ideology and breaking the taboo about complaining of the damage done to your life by properly appointed agents of the collective seems to be regarded as even more reprehensible than pornography.<br />
</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>so i was referring to a personal gripe in how the collectivist system has managed to insure that the best and brightest actually dont go anywhere. </p>
<p>care to see what the roles are for engineering, and sciences?  </p>
<p>left brain right brain is populist crapola&#8230; </p>
<p>its like nature nurture&#8230;  its not some opposing proportions on a scale. its 100% of both.  duh. </p>
<p>read about <b>tall poppy syndrome</b>, and how we hate success, and deem that those who are, are cheaters&#8230;  ergo, paris hilton is a giant, emmy noether is unknown, and sanger a eugenicist whose eugenics mag hitler was a fan of, is a hero. </p>
<p>ack! </p>
<p>another quote</p>
<p><b>The only form of success to which people have little resistance is that of socially appointed oppressors of humanity, in which case the successful person may enjoy some status and power over others so long as he retains his position, but is unlikely to become rich enough to enjoy any autonomy. He is not going to be free to do anything he wants in any way he could get anything out of, and will always be expected to get his kicks out of frustrating and oppressing other people</b></p>
<p>for some reason, this post churned up the past. </p>
<p>why, i dont know.  </p>
<p><i>The power of society depends on the power of the lie. The power of the lie is very great.</p>
<p>The power of the individual depends on the right of possession and the sanctity of facts.</p>
<p>Neither of these is recognised by society. It is only in a capitalist society that there is a recognition of the individual’s right to the facts. He has a right to the facts about his possessions. Consequently facts are themselves regarded as possessing a certain value. In a socialist society no one has any right to the facts. There is no point in facts at all. The power of the state, which is the sole good, is best safeguarded by there being no facts.</p>
<p>People are subjective, but some people are more subjective than others and those who believe in society are the most subjective of all. This is because they have abandoned to society their right to assess facts for themselves in return for the power that society will give them over other men. The high priests of society are social workers, doctors and psychiatrists. Their function is to convince others that they are being subjective when they criticise society.</p>
<p>(from the forthcoming book The Corpse and the Kingdom)</p>
<p></i></p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had strange experience with this dancer test: she moved both ways, roughly equal time each, but I could not make a switch.
Matematicians are not all left-brained. My mathematical teacher at school made a joke: to study mathematics, you must work with all four hemispheres, two upper and two lower.
Apart from jokes, there are two styles in mathematical thinking: algebraic (left-brained, symbols manipulation) and geometrical, heavily using visual-spatial skills (that is, right-brained). Many problem allow both representations. Mine approach is purely geometrical, with complex manipulation by visual imaginery (projections, vector spaces, etc.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had strange experience with this dancer test: she moved both ways, roughly equal time each, but I could not make a switch.<br />
Matematicians are not all left-brained. My mathematical teacher at school made a joke: to study mathematics, you must work with all four hemispheres, two upper and two lower.<br />
Apart from jokes, there are two styles in mathematical thinking: algebraic (left-brained, symbols manipulation) and geometrical, heavily using visual-spatial skills (that is, right-brained). Many problem allow both representations. Mine approach is purely geometrical, with complex manipulation by visual imaginery (projections, vector spaces, etc.)</p>
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		By: J. Peden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She also stops at what seem to be random  times, but I think it&#039;s all just a &lt;i&gt;sinister&lt;/i&gt; plot to make us think we&#039;re stupid - designed by by a Lefty, no doubt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She also stops at what seem to be random  times, but I think it&#8217;s all just a <i>sinister</i> plot to make us think we&#8217;re stupid &#8211; designed by by a Lefty, no doubt.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lateralization in humans is partially genetical, but when mothers during pregnancy are subjected to stress, they produced unusually high percentage of left-handed babies. This is confirmed by statistics of pre-war generation compared to during war and after-war generations.
There is one interesting thing about left-handed children coerced to switch to right-handed mode: they do not acquire clerkly hand. This motoric automatism can be developed only with good coordination of motoric centers with perceptual ones, without retranslation signals between brain hemispheres. But when this automatism is already acqired, it manifest itself in both hands, and even in legs! (You can write your name holding pen it toes, and it will resemble your handwriting.)
I tested this hypothesis on my wife, who, being inherently left-handed, was relearned to write by right hand. Her handwriting was awfull. In university I barely could decipher her lecture notes. I adviced her try to write something by left hand. She wrote several pages this way, and we witnessed a miracle: it took only three hours to develop a nice handwriting, which preserved in right hand as well!
I understand, of course, that right/left handedness has nothing to do with left/right brain dominance in cognitive skills, that develop much later and independently from motoric skills dominance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lateralization in humans is partially genetical, but when mothers during pregnancy are subjected to stress, they produced unusually high percentage of left-handed babies. This is confirmed by statistics of pre-war generation compared to during war and after-war generations.<br />
There is one interesting thing about left-handed children coerced to switch to right-handed mode: they do not acquire clerkly hand. This motoric automatism can be developed only with good coordination of motoric centers with perceptual ones, without retranslation signals between brain hemispheres. But when this automatism is already acqired, it manifest itself in both hands, and even in legs! (You can write your name holding pen it toes, and it will resemble your handwriting.)<br />
I tested this hypothesis on my wife, who, being inherently left-handed, was relearned to write by right hand. Her handwriting was awfull. In university I barely could decipher her lecture notes. I adviced her try to write something by left hand. She wrote several pages this way, and we witnessed a miracle: it took only three hours to develop a nice handwriting, which preserved in right hand as well!<br />
I understand, of course, that right/left handedness has nothing to do with left/right brain dominance in cognitive skills, that develop much later and independently from motoric skills dominance.</p>
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		By: Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mine was clockwise until I focused on reading the text to left. Then it switches.]]></description>
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		By: Bugs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I visualized the dancer going both ways but it was difficult to switch. Both sides of my brain thought she looked pretty hot so they also visualized a pole and some stage lighting.]]></description>
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