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		By: Sandy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-114105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please go to this site and watch a video interview with a woman whose son was healed of autism.  God still does miracles.

http://www.sidroth.org/site/PageServer?pagename=tv_watchonline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please go to this site and watch a video interview with a woman whose son was healed of autism.  God still does miracles.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sidroth.org/site/PageServer?pagename=tv_watchonline" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sidroth.org/site/PageServer?pagename=tv_watchonline</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62901</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TalkinKamel,

I know this is a sore subject for you, but has the term Angelman&#039;s Syndrome ever been mentioned in the evaluations of your son? 

I&#039;m not a doctor or anything like it - but I know the parents of a child with Angelman&#039;s and their troubles with dealing with it. It&#039;s an extremely rare problem that few people know exists - and more to the point in your case, though there is no cure - it&#039;s characterized by a happy disposition, and an almost complete lack of language ability.

Again, I&#039;m coming to this late and I&#039;ve got no idea if this fits your son&#039;s situation or not, and I apologize in advance if all I do is add to your problems.

Regards,

Kate]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TalkinKamel,</p>
<p>I know this is a sore subject for you, but has the term Angelman&#8217;s Syndrome ever been mentioned in the evaluations of your son? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a doctor or anything like it &#8211; but I know the parents of a child with Angelman&#8217;s and their troubles with dealing with it. It&#8217;s an extremely rare problem that few people know exists &#8211; and more to the point in your case, though there is no cure &#8211; it&#8217;s characterized by a happy disposition, and an almost complete lack of language ability.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m coming to this late and I&#8217;ve got no idea if this fits your son&#8217;s situation or not, and I apologize in advance if all I do is add to your problems.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Kate</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62642</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks TalkinKamel. Got your point. My question probably wasn&#039;t very bright.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks TalkinKamel. Got your point. My question probably wasn&#8217;t very bright.</p>
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		By: TalkinKamel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62639</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TalkinKamel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jacob, if the mother did, indeed, do drugs, then the child might well be suffering from the effects of those, and not autism (though the school she goes to might try to get her labeled &quot;autistic&quot; so they can get more state funding.)

As for autism itself---I think it&#039;s really a good idea to cease any and all speculation on it, for the time being: protiens, immune system, genetics, diet, allergies, drugs, vaccinations, the Snow Queen, whatever.  

No one really has any actual answers, and this blizzard of pseudo-fact and speculation does absolutely nothing to help parents who are trying to find answers.  It&#039;s all too vague, and confusing.  Parents are always told to do their own research (and stop bothering their poor, oppressed M.D.---hey, their kid&#039;s problems are probably just imaginary anyway, right?) but the amount of often contradictory babble out there, and the time it takes to wade through oceans of info-c***p about diets, drugs, vaccines and it&#039;s-all-in-your-head---not to mention the idiot groups that now want to treat autism as a special minority group with special rights, like the deaf---it&#039;s a waste of time and precious energy.  Nobody has any answers.  Let&#039;s stop pretending that they do.    

If parents can&#039;t get real help, they at least shouldn&#039;t have to plow through reams of nonsense.  

So please---until there are some real answers, I think there should be an all-encompassing sock stuffed in the speculation.  It helps nothing. 

One might want to spare some sympathy for parents of autistic kids---yes, refusing vaccinations could be dangerous, but, on the other hand, they&#039;re latching onto the one thing out there they sort&#039;ve makes sense (and, don&#039;t forget, we&#039;re already letting floods of unvaccinated illegal immigrants cross the border every day, a bigger threat than Yuppies nervous about vaccinating their kids.)  Yes, it&#039;s hysteria, but it&#039;s hysteria the medical industry is tacitly encouraging by washing its hands of the matter. and turning everything over to the &quot;helping&quot; industries.  And, as I just said, the endless, senseless speculation does no good at all.  Find some real answers, then, maybe, something can be done.  Until then, everybody shut up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, if the mother did, indeed, do drugs, then the child might well be suffering from the effects of those, and not autism (though the school she goes to might try to get her labeled &#8220;autistic&#8221; so they can get more state funding.)</p>
<p>As for autism itself&#8212;I think it&#8217;s really a good idea to cease any and all speculation on it, for the time being: protiens, immune system, genetics, diet, allergies, drugs, vaccinations, the Snow Queen, whatever.  </p>
<p>No one really has any actual answers, and this blizzard of pseudo-fact and speculation does absolutely nothing to help parents who are trying to find answers.  It&#8217;s all too vague, and confusing.  Parents are always told to do their own research (and stop bothering their poor, oppressed M.D.&#8212;hey, their kid&#8217;s problems are probably just imaginary anyway, right?) but the amount of often contradictory babble out there, and the time it takes to wade through oceans of info-c***p about diets, drugs, vaccines and it&#8217;s-all-in-your-head&#8212;not to mention the idiot groups that now want to treat autism as a special minority group with special rights, like the deaf&#8212;it&#8217;s a waste of time and precious energy.  Nobody has any answers.  Let&#8217;s stop pretending that they do.    </p>
<p>If parents can&#8217;t get real help, they at least shouldn&#8217;t have to plow through reams of nonsense.  </p>
<p>So please&#8212;until there are some real answers, I think there should be an all-encompassing sock stuffed in the speculation.  It helps nothing. </p>
<p>One might want to spare some sympathy for parents of autistic kids&#8212;yes, refusing vaccinations could be dangerous, but, on the other hand, they&#8217;re latching onto the one thing out there they sort&#8217;ve makes sense (and, don&#8217;t forget, we&#8217;re already letting floods of unvaccinated illegal immigrants cross the border every day, a bigger threat than Yuppies nervous about vaccinating their kids.)  Yes, it&#8217;s hysteria, but it&#8217;s hysteria the medical industry is tacitly encouraging by washing its hands of the matter. and turning everything over to the &#8220;helping&#8221; industries.  And, as I just said, the endless, senseless speculation does no good at all.  Find some real answers, then, maybe, something can be done.  Until then, everybody shut up.</p>
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		By: sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vaccination involves no less risk of autoimmune reactions than any viral infection. Both often cause neurological damage. No clinical trials can exclude rare complications, because sample sizes in clinical trials are always much less than numbers of treated by widely used medications. Often it take years to establish a link between some new drug and a rare complication, especially if this drug is used almost by everybody. The list of examples is quite long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaccination involves no less risk of autoimmune reactions than any viral infection. Both often cause neurological damage. No clinical trials can exclude rare complications, because sample sizes in clinical trials are always much less than numbers of treated by widely used medications. Often it take years to establish a link between some new drug and a rare complication, especially if this drug is used almost by everybody. The list of examples is quite long.</p>
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		By: Mike G in Corvallis		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike G in Corvallis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a fascinating conversation with a biochemistry professor at UC San Diego three or four years ago, and she told me about some important research I&#039;d never heard of. She&#039;s doing research on proteins -- their structures, interactions, and roles in the body. It&#039;s been known for about a decade that certain proteins that control fetal neurological development also are involved in the immune system&#039;s response to infections. (One system &quot;co-opting&quot; proteins used by another system for a different purpose is not uncommon in evolutionary biology; in this case we don&#039;t know which came first.) Anyway, these proteins apparently can cross the placental and blood-brain barriers. A pregnant woman&#039;s immune response to a viral infection may alter the development of her unborn child&#039;s brain. There may not be any single cause of autism, but this looks like a pretty big risk factor.

Ladies, if you&#039;re pregnant, do everything you can to avoid getting a viral infection in your second trimester. I&#039;d also avoid getting a flu shot or other vaccination at that time.

For more info, see:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106124045.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106124045.htm&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ur.umich.edu/9899/Nov16_98/9.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ur.umich.edu/9899/Nov16_98/9.htm
&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boulangerlab.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.boulangerlab.org/&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=are-immune-system-molecules-build-brains&#038;sc=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sciam.com/ ...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a fascinating conversation with a biochemistry professor at UC San Diego three or four years ago, and she told me about some important research I&#8217;d never heard of. She&#8217;s doing research on proteins &#8212; their structures, interactions, and roles in the body. It&#8217;s been known for about a decade that certain proteins that control fetal neurological development also are involved in the immune system&#8217;s response to infections. (One system &#8220;co-opting&#8221; proteins used by another system for a different purpose is not uncommon in evolutionary biology; in this case we don&#8217;t know which came first.) Anyway, these proteins apparently can cross the placental and blood-brain barriers. A pregnant woman&#8217;s immune response to a viral infection may alter the development of her unborn child&#8217;s brain. There may not be any single cause of autism, but this looks like a pretty big risk factor.</p>
<p>Ladies, if you&#8217;re pregnant, do everything you can to avoid getting a viral infection in your second trimester. I&#8217;d also avoid getting a flu shot or other vaccination at that time.</p>
<p>For more info, see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106124045.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106124045.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ur.umich.edu/9899/Nov16_98/9.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.ur.umich.edu/9899/Nov16_98/9.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ur.umich.edu/9899/Nov16_98/9.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.boulangerlab.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boulangerlab.org/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=are-immune-system-molecules-build-brains&amp;sc=rss" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.sciam.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sciam.com/</a> &#8230;</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A question for the commentariat:
A girl in my family was diagnosed with autism, I don&#039;t know which kind of autism, but it&#039;s not very severe, though it&#039;s unmistakable. (She&#039;s now about 6 or 7 years old).
Her mother is known to have used drugs during the pregnancy.
Could there be any connection ? Does anyone know about a connection between drug use and birth defects ?
Could the epidemic have to do with drug use ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for the commentariat:<br />
A girl in my family was diagnosed with autism, I don&#8217;t know which kind of autism, but it&#8217;s not very severe, though it&#8217;s unmistakable. (She&#8217;s now about 6 or 7 years old).<br />
Her mother is known to have used drugs during the pregnancy.<br />
Could there be any connection ? Does anyone know about a connection between drug use and birth defects ?<br />
Could the epidemic have to do with drug use ?</p>
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		By: TalkinKamel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TalkinKamel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quite a few of the people who home school at my church pulled their kids out of public school because of science---the kids weren&#039;t being taught any!  (Or they were being taught completely incorrect stuff, such as the sun revolves around the earth.)  

Given the lousy state of the local schools, I can actually believe this.  Science education seems to have been given up for studies in pollution, and recycling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few of the people who home school at my church pulled their kids out of public school because of science&#8212;the kids weren&#8217;t being taught any!  (Or they were being taught completely incorrect stuff, such as the sun revolves around the earth.)  </p>
<p>Given the lousy state of the local schools, I can actually believe this.  Science education seems to have been given up for studies in pollution, and recycling.</p>
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		By: TalkinKamel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/26/the-demon-haunted-world-part-ii-autism/#comment-62296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TalkinKamel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I said earlier, the majority of autistic kids are diagnosed as being retarded as well---so the retardation diagnosis hasn&#039;t gone away, it&#039;s just been tacked onto autism. 

I&#039;m not really familiar with Asperger&#039;s; from what I&#039;ve heard, it&#039;s victims are far more verbal, and can be more easily integrated into society than those with more classic autistic symptoms.  It might be more useful (though it will never happen) to put &quot;Asperger&#039;s&quot; in a separate category all its own, rather than lumping it in with autism.    

As for retardation, since so many intelligence tests rely, at least to some extent, on verbal ability, language impaired kids are usually going to score low on them.  

For those who are interested, you might want to check out the Autism Speaks website.  They&#039;re debating this very subject, and many others pertinent to the whole autism question.  

And Neo, I honestly wouldn&#039;t put too much trust in tests done in foreign countries, such as Japan; as somebody on the Autism Speaks website pointed out, those involved can&#039;t be subpoened, for evidence.  (Are there some American based references you can use?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said earlier, the majority of autistic kids are diagnosed as being retarded as well&#8212;so the retardation diagnosis hasn&#8217;t gone away, it&#8217;s just been tacked onto autism. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really familiar with Asperger&#8217;s; from what I&#8217;ve heard, it&#8217;s victims are far more verbal, and can be more easily integrated into society than those with more classic autistic symptoms.  It might be more useful (though it will never happen) to put &#8220;Asperger&#8217;s&#8221; in a separate category all its own, rather than lumping it in with autism.    </p>
<p>As for retardation, since so many intelligence tests rely, at least to some extent, on verbal ability, language impaired kids are usually going to score low on them.  </p>
<p>For those who are interested, you might want to check out the Autism Speaks website.  They&#8217;re debating this very subject, and many others pertinent to the whole autism question.  </p>
<p>And Neo, I honestly wouldn&#8217;t put too much trust in tests done in foreign countries, such as Japan; as somebody on the Autism Speaks website pointed out, those involved can&#8217;t be subpoened, for evidence.  (Are there some American based references you can use?)</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An interesting thread. Some people may have misinterpreted what others said, but interesting nonetheless. Interesting  about all who added in about Aspberger&#039;s. It would appear that Autism is the equal opportunity syndrome, as it can be found in high achievers as well as in the mentally retarded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting thread. Some people may have misinterpreted what others said, but interesting nonetheless. Interesting  about all who added in about Aspberger&#8217;s. It would appear that Autism is the equal opportunity syndrome, as it can be found in high achievers as well as in the mentally retarded.</p>
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