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		By: mitch strand		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/22/the-democrats-dilemma-whats-a-party-leader-to-do/#comment-61968</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mitch strand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[trimegistus: you&#039;re so right about Hillary. She&#039;s so scripted and prepared and coiffed, so focused on her goal (which anyone can see she wants so very, very much, not for the country but for herself), anything she could say about Obama would not be perceived as mockery or a pointed comment, but a shrewdly manufactured political attack, one Obama could instantly decry as &quot;the old way of politics&quot; or whatever he&#039;s calling legitimate criticsm this week.

Regarding the main thread, it sure is nice to see the Democrats who posture and primp about being the party of emotion and feeling, of mercy and &quot;social justice&quot; continually hoist by their own petard. In my opinion, they&#039;re also the party of wonkish and obsessive attention to the political process. There&#039;s nothing inspirational about their eternal campaigning (this cycle seems to have lasted an eternity) or their consistent House and Senate investigations. Also, they&#039;re always trying to write new laws to add to the Byzantine thickets of them we have already. They shake their heads at phrases like, &quot;Why don&#039;t we enforce the gun laws we have already?&quot; No; we need brand new ones, again and again, so legislative resumes can be padded.

But for all their feelings and emotions and all their processes ensured to promote their true faith, &quot;fairness,&quot; they&#039;ve painted themselves into a corner trying to be fair to everyone. They can&#039;t follow their own rules or they&#039;ll disfranchise millions of Dem voters and look like the very Republicans they demonize. They can&#039;t break their own rules or they&#039;ll appear weak and disorganized, able to be pushed around. They&#039;re destroying themselves before our eyes. To solve their problem, they&#039;re diving into process, thus turning off regualr citizens who don&#039;t have the time to spend on the nuts and bolts of politics.

John McCain must be smiling. He knows Republicans will come home and he&#039;ll bleed off many Democrats who disdain their own party&#039;s agressive self-imposed stasis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trimegistus: you&#8217;re so right about Hillary. She&#8217;s so scripted and prepared and coiffed, so focused on her goal (which anyone can see she wants so very, very much, not for the country but for herself), anything she could say about Obama would not be perceived as mockery or a pointed comment, but a shrewdly manufactured political attack, one Obama could instantly decry as &#8220;the old way of politics&#8221; or whatever he&#8217;s calling legitimate criticsm this week.</p>
<p>Regarding the main thread, it sure is nice to see the Democrats who posture and primp about being the party of emotion and feeling, of mercy and &#8220;social justice&#8221; continually hoist by their own petard. In my opinion, they&#8217;re also the party of wonkish and obsessive attention to the political process. There&#8217;s nothing inspirational about their eternal campaigning (this cycle seems to have lasted an eternity) or their consistent House and Senate investigations. Also, they&#8217;re always trying to write new laws to add to the Byzantine thickets of them we have already. They shake their heads at phrases like, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we enforce the gun laws we have already?&#8221; No; we need brand new ones, again and again, so legislative resumes can be padded.</p>
<p>But for all their feelings and emotions and all their processes ensured to promote their true faith, &#8220;fairness,&#8221; they&#8217;ve painted themselves into a corner trying to be fair to everyone. They can&#8217;t follow their own rules or they&#8217;ll disfranchise millions of Dem voters and look like the very Republicans they demonize. They can&#8217;t break their own rules or they&#8217;ll appear weak and disorganized, able to be pushed around. They&#8217;re destroying themselves before our eyes. To solve their problem, they&#8217;re diving into process, thus turning off regualr citizens who don&#8217;t have the time to spend on the nuts and bolts of politics.</p>
<p>John McCain must be smiling. He knows Republicans will come home and he&#8217;ll bleed off many Democrats who disdain their own party&#8217;s agressive self-imposed stasis.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/22/the-democrats-dilemma-whats-a-party-leader-to-do/#comment-61966</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please pardon the intemperate nature of my earlier post. Despite having lots of practice in dealing with militant stupidity on the march, sometimes it still gets my goat, for which I apologize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please pardon the intemperate nature of my earlier post. Despite having lots of practice in dealing with militant stupidity on the march, sometimes it still gets my goat, for which I apologize.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/22/the-democrats-dilemma-whats-a-party-leader-to-do/#comment-61949</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not too surprised the democrats are blowing this election. Hasn&#039;t demonizing all success and achievement been their meme for quite a while now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too surprised the democrats are blowing this election. Hasn&#8217;t demonizing all success and achievement been their meme for quite a while now?</p>
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		By: Hogarth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/22/the-democrats-dilemma-whats-a-party-leader-to-do/#comment-61948</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hogarth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mnb apparently subscribes to the &quot;one bad apple has &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; spoiled the barrel&quot; belief.

Don&#039;t confuse him/her with the difference between statistically minor affronts to dignity and entrenched, system-wide policies of profane torture and executions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mnb apparently subscribes to the &#8220;one bad apple has <i>already</i> spoiled the barrel&#8221; belief.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse him/her with the difference between statistically minor affronts to dignity and entrenched, system-wide policies of profane torture and executions.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/22/the-democrats-dilemma-whats-a-party-leader-to-do/#comment-61928</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In any case, so what, mnb? Should we surrender to the terrorists because of some bad apples? WTF&#039;s your point?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case, so what, mnb? Should we surrender to the terrorists because of some bad apples? WTF&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/03/22/the-democrats-dilemma-whats-a-party-leader-to-do/#comment-61927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Got a link to video of Daniel Pearl being beheaded?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a link to video of Daniel Pearl being beheaded?</p>
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		By: mnb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mnb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Iraq: Horrible truth
What&#039;s not being reported

Sometimes the truth is horrible. This video contains disturbing scenes of American troops sadistically taunting Iraqi children, randomly throwing grenades at sheep herders and the infamous puppy toss with David Motari. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5_vG3cYGM


http://www.iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/iraq-horrible-truth]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq: Horrible truth<br />
What&#8217;s not being reported</p>
<p>Sometimes the truth is horrible. This video contains disturbing scenes of American troops sadistically taunting Iraqi children, randomly throwing grenades at sheep herders and the infamous puppy toss with David Motari. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5_vG3cYGM" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5_vG3cYGM</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/iraq-horrible-truth" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/iraq-horrible-truth</a></p>
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		By: Vince P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Those who have basic reading comprehension skills will appreciate that I was not implying that ALL of those on the left will be joining the Weather Underground, but rather than AMONG those on the left there are those who will do so.&lt;/i&gt;

yeah . i had a good laugh at that.  Talk about missing the point.  

Well what do you expect when leftists refuse to do any retrospection.  When have you ever seen a Leftist concede that perhaps they or their allies were ever wrong about anything.

So of course when he&#039;s reading your comments, he&#039;s not thinking about actually evaulating the left against what you said.. he&#039;s looking for any little oppurtunity to point out where you are wrong.

he did it with the voting process too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Those who have basic reading comprehension skills will appreciate that I was not implying that ALL of those on the left will be joining the Weather Underground, but rather than AMONG those on the left there are those who will do so.</i></p>
<p>yeah . i had a good laugh at that.  Talk about missing the point.  </p>
<p>Well what do you expect when leftists refuse to do any retrospection.  When have you ever seen a Leftist concede that perhaps they or their allies were ever wrong about anything.</p>
<p>So of course when he&#8217;s reading your comments, he&#8217;s not thinking about actually evaulating the left against what you said.. he&#8217;s looking for any little oppurtunity to point out where you are wrong.</p>
<p>he did it with the voting process too.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You also missed the point regarding the Electoral College approach. 

The point did not pertain to the formal selection structure used by the party, but to the fact that in the 2000 election the Dems publicly disparaged the Electoral College in favor of the popular vote. That was the basis of their bleating that Gore should be President, the Electoral College notwithstanding.

Now, however, within their own party they&#039;re faced with a disparity between the delegate count and the aggregate popular vote, so they&#039;re screwed either way. 

If they plump for the delegate count, Dem &quot;activists&quot; (how I hate that word) will bleat that they should have used the popular vote, and trot out the same arguments Dems generally used in 2000.

If they go for popular vote, other Dem &quot;activists&quot; will (this time with justification) howl that they&#039;re not following the rules set up before the primaries.

So it&#039;s not the legal structure that matters, but that by opposing the Electoral College in 2000, the Dems have effectively placed themselves on both sides of this issue for their convention, and almost inevitably will infuriate a significant fraction of their constituency.

&lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; was the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also missed the point regarding the Electoral College approach. </p>
<p>The point did not pertain to the formal selection structure used by the party, but to the fact that in the 2000 election the Dems publicly disparaged the Electoral College in favor of the popular vote. That was the basis of their bleating that Gore should be President, the Electoral College notwithstanding.</p>
<p>Now, however, within their own party they&#8217;re faced with a disparity between the delegate count and the aggregate popular vote, so they&#8217;re screwed either way. </p>
<p>If they plump for the delegate count, Dem &#8220;activists&#8221; (how I hate that word) will bleat that they should have used the popular vote, and trot out the same arguments Dems generally used in 2000.</p>
<p>If they go for popular vote, other Dem &#8220;activists&#8221; will (this time with justification) howl that they&#8217;re not following the rules set up before the primaries.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not the legal structure that matters, but that by opposing the Electoral College in 2000, the Dems have effectively placed themselves on both sides of this issue for their convention, and almost inevitably will infuriate a significant fraction of their constituency.</p>
<p><i>That</i> was the point.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Occam's Beard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those who have basic reading comprehension skills will appreciate that I was not implying that &lt;i&gt;ALL&lt;/i&gt; of those on the left will be joining the Weather Underground, but rather than &lt;i&gt;AMONG&lt;/i&gt; those on the left there are those who will do so. Not nearly the same statement, and the latter is clearly true, considering that animal rights and environmental &quot;activists&quot; - all lefties - already resort to terrorism.

In essence, I&#039;m positing a repeat of the 1968 convention and its aftermath. Surely we can agree that the Weather Underground, SDS, Symbionese Liberation Army, etc. all came from the left, yes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who have basic reading comprehension skills will appreciate that I was not implying that <i>ALL</i> of those on the left will be joining the Weather Underground, but rather than <i>AMONG</i> those on the left there are those who will do so. Not nearly the same statement, and the latter is clearly true, considering that animal rights and environmental &#8220;activists&#8221; &#8211; all lefties &#8211; already resort to terrorism.</p>
<p>In essence, I&#8217;m positing a repeat of the 1968 convention and its aftermath. Surely we can agree that the Weather Underground, SDS, Symbionese Liberation Army, etc. all came from the left, yes?</p>
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