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		By: Tatyana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was marvelous.
Dancers-technically superb, scenography  - excellent (stage designer is educated as an architect). Dance as continuous happening, simultaneoulsly  on multiple planes. Costumes - in tandem with backdrop.

Best concerted effort I&#039;ve seen in a long time.

The choreography using this &quot;japanese lithograph&quot; method, in all 11 movements: the frame of the stage, like margins of a painting, are only limiting our vision, but not the continuous action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was marvelous.<br />
Dancers-technically superb, scenography  &#8211; excellent (stage designer is educated as an architect). Dance as continuous happening, simultaneoulsly  on multiple planes. Costumes &#8211; in tandem with backdrop.</p>
<p>Best concerted effort I&#8217;ve seen in a long time.</p>
<p>The choreography using this &#8220;japanese lithograph&#8221; method, in all 11 movements: the frame of the stage, like margins of a painting, are only limiting our vision, but not the continuous action.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, I haven&#039;t changed my mind.  I don&#039;t know when I&#039;ll write it, though.  

That BAM performance sounds most unusual and intriguing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I haven&#8217;t changed my mind.  I don&#8217;t know when I&#8217;ll write it, though.  </p>
<p>That BAM performance sounds most unusual and intriguing.</p>
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		By: Tatyana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatyana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, have you changed you mind about second post on Plisetskaya? I have been checking your blog in hope.

Just returned from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bam.org/events/08GRUP/08GRUP.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this performance&lt;/a&gt; and have been thinking: you&#039;d like it . especially the first part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, have you changed you mind about second post on Plisetskaya? I have been checking your blog in hope.</p>
<p>Just returned from <a href="http://www.bam.org/events/08GRUP/08GRUP.aspx" rel="nofollow">this performance</a> and have been thinking: you&#8217;d like it . especially the first part.</p>
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		By: ballet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Caught on tape: Ballet, “Walpurgis Nacht,” and Plisetskaya [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Caught on tape: Ballet, “Walpurgis Nacht,” and Plisetskaya [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ben-David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for guiding this novice&#039;s eyes.... I noticed that the two stagings brought the satyrs into close interaction at different times in the piece. During the passage common to the 2 clips, Maximova is interacting with the satyrs, while Plisetskaya is not.  But wow - Plisetskaya is doing her hops while &quot;high-fiving&quot; the satyrs and other business!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for guiding this novice&#8217;s eyes&#8230;. I noticed that the two stagings brought the satyrs into close interaction at different times in the piece. During the passage common to the 2 clips, Maximova is interacting with the satyrs, while Plisetskaya is not.  But wow &#8211; Plisetskaya is doing her hops while &#8220;high-fiving&#8221; the satyrs and other business!</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ples seems to be able to better become still in synch with the melody/music. Both her arm movements and body movements flow with the music, like Audio Surf.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ples seems to be able to better become still in synch with the melody/music. Both her arm movements and body movements flow with the music, like Audio Surf.</p>
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		By: Artfldogr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatyana, 
thanks for the information, but i know that already. the famous photographer that was a close family friend growing up was Maurice Seymour. (It rubbed off as i am signed to a top agency, and its not even what i do)

i couldnt find his photo of her, but i did find a place that has some of his work for sale. some of the pictures i remember. file cabinets full. 

when he left chicago and his first wife (who i never knew), he married an opera singer. 

as i said, i came from an arts and sciences family (i attended bronx science, cousin top of his class at juliard, grandmother research chemist before feminism, etc)

DANILOVA, Alexandra
http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/danilovab2.jpg 

seymour in his time was quite famous. he is the man who photographed the russian ballet. 

if it wasnt for him, you wouldnt know what most of them looked like (they cheated the other photographers, maurice taught me to always get paid first when dealing).


FONTEYN, Dame Margot
http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/fonteyna2.jpg  

maurice was a head shot photographer. his photos are the portraits that famous people used to get jobs, and to give out as autograph photos. 

[i am a celebrity photographer, a software engineer, solutions designer, and more]

this post makes me a bit meloncholy.. maurice loved to play chess. he and my father would play the guys in the park, and later when he was in NJ he would play chess with me. i was not so good, but he loved playing me because when he cornered me, i would whip out moves that kept me alive till a numbered draw. 

this was the time of the russian and american chess masters always squaring off... 

i went off to live life and forgot for a while, by then he was gone. 

I come from a poor family (we lost everything thanks stalin, and hitler, then stalin again), while we didnt have much, we did somehow manage to be connected or where one wouldnt expect us. My father being the black sheep in the family doing &#039;art&#039;.

And maurice always said to me that Bolshoi was &quot;Great&quot;  as in large grand big...  in that way it always made a bit more sense to me. 


MARKOVA, Dame Alicia
http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/markovaa2.jpg

and just to make it fair and the last

MASSINE, Leonid
http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/massine2.jpg

i remember the ballet photos more non specifically, though american stars and people i remember well, like his photos of amos and andy that got him his whole career... and blue eyes, and even milton berle  (a photo can be found in this http://www.rrauction.com/content/pdf/309pdf/ent.pdf pdf of a young berle by maurice)

thanks for the walk down my childhood lane...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatyana,<br />
thanks for the information, but i know that already. the famous photographer that was a close family friend growing up was Maurice Seymour. (It rubbed off as i am signed to a top agency, and its not even what i do)</p>
<p>i couldnt find his photo of her, but i did find a place that has some of his work for sale. some of the pictures i remember. file cabinets full. </p>
<p>when he left chicago and his first wife (who i never knew), he married an opera singer. </p>
<p>as i said, i came from an arts and sciences family (i attended bronx science, cousin top of his class at juliard, grandmother research chemist before feminism, etc)</p>
<p>DANILOVA, Alexandra<br />
<a href="http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/danilovab2.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/danilovab2.jpg</a> </p>
<p>seymour in his time was quite famous. he is the man who photographed the russian ballet. </p>
<p>if it wasnt for him, you wouldnt know what most of them looked like (they cheated the other photographers, maurice taught me to always get paid first when dealing).</p>
<p>FONTEYN, Dame Margot<br />
<a href="http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/fonteyna2.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/fonteyna2.jpg</a>  </p>
<p>maurice was a head shot photographer. his photos are the portraits that famous people used to get jobs, and to give out as autograph photos. </p>
<p>[i am a celebrity photographer, a software engineer, solutions designer, and more]</p>
<p>this post makes me a bit meloncholy.. maurice loved to play chess. he and my father would play the guys in the park, and later when he was in NJ he would play chess with me. i was not so good, but he loved playing me because when he cornered me, i would whip out moves that kept me alive till a numbered draw. </p>
<p>this was the time of the russian and american chess masters always squaring off&#8230; </p>
<p>i went off to live life and forgot for a while, by then he was gone. </p>
<p>I come from a poor family (we lost everything thanks stalin, and hitler, then stalin again), while we didnt have much, we did somehow manage to be connected or where one wouldnt expect us. My father being the black sheep in the family doing &#8216;art&#8217;.</p>
<p>And maurice always said to me that Bolshoi was &#8220;Great&#8221;  as in large grand big&#8230;  in that way it always made a bit more sense to me. </p>
<p>MARKOVA, Dame Alicia<br />
<a href="http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/markovaa2.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/markovaa2.jpg</a></p>
<p>and just to make it fair and the last</p>
<p>MASSINE, Leonid<br />
<a href="http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/massine2.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rgrossmusicautograph.com/dance2/massine2.jpg</a></p>
<p>i remember the ballet photos more non specifically, though american stars and people i remember well, like his photos of amos and andy that got him his whole career&#8230; and blue eyes, and even milton berle  (a photo can be found in this <a href="http://www.rrauction.com/content/pdf/309pdf/ent.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rrauction.com/content/pdf/309pdf/ent.pdf</a> pdf of a young berle by maurice)</p>
<p>thanks for the walk down my childhood lane&#8230;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, there is tremendous effort in effortlessness.  But some people are made of some sort of stuff that makes the result especially astounding, and Plisetskaya was one of them.

As I said, I&#039;ve got another post coming on her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is tremendous effort in effortlessness.  But some people are made of some sort of stuff that makes the result especially astounding, and Plisetskaya was one of them.</p>
<p>As I said, I&#8217;ve got another post coming on her.</p>
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		By: waltj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fantastic stuff.  I agree that Plisetskaya is the better of the two.  Effortless doesn&#039;t even begin to describe how she makes it look.  But, as Neo and the other dancers here surely know, it is bloody-awful hard work, no matter how much you might enjoy doing it.  I remember seeing a 60 Minutes (I think) segment on Edward Vilella when he was with the NY City Ballet many years ago, and they showed him not just on stage, but backstage between scenes.  After those powerful, athletic, and repeated leaps of his, he would dance off-stage, and, as soon as he was out of audience view, promptly collapse to all fours in a desperate attempt to catch his breath before the next scene.  The man was in absolute agony.  This from a dancer at the top of his art.  So yeah, it&#039;s gorgeous to watch, but even more impressive to me is the preparation that goes into making it look that easy.  A friend of mine who plays classical piano once told me a similar thing about playing Mozart:  when his music is played right, it sounds as if it were written effortlessly (probably because it was), but it&#039;s not effortless to play.  There&#039;s a lot of work for the performer to get to that point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic stuff.  I agree that Plisetskaya is the better of the two.  Effortless doesn&#8217;t even begin to describe how she makes it look.  But, as Neo and the other dancers here surely know, it is bloody-awful hard work, no matter how much you might enjoy doing it.  I remember seeing a 60 Minutes (I think) segment on Edward Vilella when he was with the NY City Ballet many years ago, and they showed him not just on stage, but backstage between scenes.  After those powerful, athletic, and repeated leaps of his, he would dance off-stage, and, as soon as he was out of audience view, promptly collapse to all fours in a desperate attempt to catch his breath before the next scene.  The man was in absolute agony.  This from a dancer at the top of his art.  So yeah, it&#8217;s gorgeous to watch, but even more impressive to me is the preparation that goes into making it look that easy.  A friend of mine who plays classical piano once told me a similar thing about playing Mozart:  when his music is played right, it sounds as if it were written effortlessly (probably because it was), but it&#8217;s not effortless to play.  There&#8217;s a lot of work for the performer to get to that point.</p>
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		By: douglas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow.  After viewing the clips you linked, I viewed several more- and I&#039;ve never been much for ballet.

I was immediately struck by her skill level being so high that the technical component of the dance was effortless, so that she could be theatrical and &#039;alive&#039; while dancing.  She clearly was a master of the fourth dimension, where too many dancers only manage to master three.  Fluid is too rigid a word for her movement.  Also, her abandon- that leap where she is completely committed- no hesitation, no sense of fear- total confidence.

For me the problem with ballet is that, despite the fact that the raison d&#039;etre of ballet is to look as if it is defying the laws of gravity, too often the effort is so in the forefront of the performance that the laws of gravity are thrust in your face instead.  Not so with Plisetskaya.  Truly amazing.

I think one lesson I get from this is- if you have the chance to see someone considered one of the all-time greats in their field (be it artist, athlete, speaker) see  them- even if their art form or style aren&#039;t your preference- those who truly excel are worth watching because they transcend the art form they work within.  They understand that the art form is the medium, not the goal itself.  Reaching other people at their souls is the goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  After viewing the clips you linked, I viewed several more- and I&#8217;ve never been much for ballet.</p>
<p>I was immediately struck by her skill level being so high that the technical component of the dance was effortless, so that she could be theatrical and &#8216;alive&#8217; while dancing.  She clearly was a master of the fourth dimension, where too many dancers only manage to master three.  Fluid is too rigid a word for her movement.  Also, her abandon- that leap where she is completely committed- no hesitation, no sense of fear- total confidence.</p>
<p>For me the problem with ballet is that, despite the fact that the raison d&#8217;etre of ballet is to look as if it is defying the laws of gravity, too often the effort is so in the forefront of the performance that the laws of gravity are thrust in your face instead.  Not so with Plisetskaya.  Truly amazing.</p>
<p>I think one lesson I get from this is- if you have the chance to see someone considered one of the all-time greats in their field (be it artist, athlete, speaker) see  them- even if their art form or style aren&#8217;t your preference- those who truly excel are worth watching because they transcend the art form they work within.  They understand that the art form is the medium, not the goal itself.  Reaching other people at their souls is the goal.</p>
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