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		By: Pamila Rochon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-107566</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamila Rochon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello. Great job. I did not expect this on a Wednesday. This is a great story. Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Great job. I did not expect this on a Wednesday. This is a great story. Thanks!</p>
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		By: Bob Agard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-58286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Agard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the link to McCain&#039;s speech. I have linked to your post. I thought it was a terrific speech.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the link to McCain&#8217;s speech. I have linked to your post. I thought it was a terrific speech.</p>
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		By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Extremist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56969</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry McHitlerburtonstein the Extremist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops. I dont know what happened to the bold thing.]]></description>
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		By: harry McHitlerburtonstein the Extremist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56968</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry McHitlerburtonstein the Extremist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much Rebecca.  I feel the same way. Im kinda dumbstruck by some of the reaction here that hasnt put forth a conservative argument &lt;b&gt;for McCain, rather a logistical one of who we can win with and on the sole conservative reason of not abandoning Iraq.

Why not?  We&#039;re so ready to give in to the other &quot;non-extremist&quot; &quot;far-right&quot; principals.  What &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; you guys about?  Why are you here?&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Rebecca.  I feel the same way. Im kinda dumbstruck by some of the reaction here that hasnt put forth a conservative argument <b>for McCain, rather a logistical one of who we can win with and on the sole conservative reason of not abandoning Iraq.</p>
<p>Why not?  We&#8217;re so ready to give in to the other &#8220;non-extremist&#8221; &#8220;far-right&#8221; principals.  What <i>are</i> you guys about?  Why are you here?</b></p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56949</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said Rebecca. Thank you!

 Anyone whose ever been a parent knows what its like to be thought of as an extremist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Rebecca. Thank you!</p>
<p> Anyone whose ever been a parent knows what its like to be thought of as an extremist.</p>
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		By: Perfected democrat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56947</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perfected democrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Coming: A radical left-wing democratic president (Obama or Hillary), a democratic majority in both houses of congress, with eight years to gloss over or appease &quot;a coalition of Russia, China, Greater Islam, plus the assorted Chavez’s&quot;, while our most important &quot;ally&quot;, the &quot;EU will be neutral and neutered....&quot; (observations succinctly described by &quot;armchair pessimist&quot;)....  Like a bear market, when you think things can&#039;t get any worse than they are you&#039;re kidding yourself....  &quot;KoS-like villagers with pitchforks&quot;? &quot;Respect that those on the other side are, like us, adhering to principles, even if we disagree on their position&quot;?  Actually we live in two completely different cognitive realities, where respect and principles are irrelevant for the enemy until they are defeated.  It&#039;s all and only about the threshhold of pain, when it affects us personally, and the pain becomes unbearable... From Tibet to Darfur to Israel to India to Thailand to Kenya to Chad to Lebanon to the Phillipines to Venezuela, and so on; The enemy needs us to gloss over the intimidation and murders, procrastinating and rationalizing our acquiescence in this insidious campaign, as they build momentum.... At least McCain addresses that issue with Iraq as the focus of &quot;principle&quot;;  Rumsfeld said, &quot;We&#039;ve got to do something.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming: A radical left-wing democratic president (Obama or Hillary), a democratic majority in both houses of congress, with eight years to gloss over or appease &#8220;a coalition of Russia, China, Greater Islam, plus the assorted Chavez’s&#8221;, while our most important &#8220;ally&#8221;, the &#8220;EU will be neutral and neutered&#8230;.&#8221; (observations succinctly described by &#8220;armchair pessimist&#8221;)&#8230;.  Like a bear market, when you think things can&#8217;t get any worse than they are you&#8217;re kidding yourself&#8230;.  &#8220;KoS-like villagers with pitchforks&#8221;? &#8220;Respect that those on the other side are, like us, adhering to principles, even if we disagree on their position&#8221;?  Actually we live in two completely different cognitive realities, where respect and principles are irrelevant for the enemy until they are defeated.  It&#8217;s all and only about the threshhold of pain, when it affects us personally, and the pain becomes unbearable&#8230; From Tibet to Darfur to Israel to India to Thailand to Kenya to Chad to Lebanon to the Phillipines to Venezuela, and so on; The enemy needs us to gloss over the intimidation and murders, procrastinating and rationalizing our acquiescence in this insidious campaign, as they build momentum&#8230;. At least McCain addresses that issue with Iraq as the focus of &#8220;principle&#8221;;  Rumsfeld said, &#8220;We&#8217;ve got to do something.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Bill Z		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56944</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First: Ann Coulter rocks.  Like Rush, few can engage in an honest debate against her (or him) and prevail; they always go ad hominem.

Second: I understand Ann&#039;s thinking.  The shorthand is a Jimmy Carter gives rise to a Ronald Reagan.  My only problem with Ann&#039;s method is it will abandon the Iraqiis and our interests in the MidEast.

I&#039;m surprised the ACLU-loving types aren&#039;t upset with McCain-Feingold, easily one of the most heinous bills ever passed.  For all the ballyhooed loss of free speech the lefties complain about, that one went down without a whimper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: Ann Coulter rocks.  Like Rush, few can engage in an honest debate against her (or him) and prevail; they always go ad hominem.</p>
<p>Second: I understand Ann&#8217;s thinking.  The shorthand is a Jimmy Carter gives rise to a Ronald Reagan.  My only problem with Ann&#8217;s method is it will abandon the Iraqiis and our interests in the MidEast.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised the ACLU-loving types aren&#8217;t upset with McCain-Feingold, easily one of the most heinous bills ever passed.  For all the ballyhooed loss of free speech the lefties complain about, that one went down without a whimper.</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so terribly disappointed.  While reading these comments I had a feeling of disorientation.  Did I actually wander over to KoS?  That isn&#039;t meant as an insult, or cheap shot, just that familiar feeling of recoil, seeing the words &quot;far right&quot; used as invective, and statements about  Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter that usually come from other, er, sides.

Obviously neither Rush nor Coulter should be immune to criticism, because WE don&#039;t play that way, but most of what I&#039;m reading isn&#039;t criticism, but disdain.  Surely we can comment on the stands they&#039;ve taken in a thoughtful, rather than dismissive, way.  They each make points in favor of their viewpoints, so how about addressing those points, not their personalities?  

There are thoughtful arguments out there, on all sides of this question.  Dismissing the ones you don&#039;t like as extremist is counterproductive, because the word conservative has a meaning.  

I wish there was a checklist available (I might have to write myself one) of the basic conservative values.  No one list would work for everyone, but I think that there are some basic characteristics that most could agree on.  Taxes and immigration aren&#039;t values, they&#039;re issues that we take a stance on because of the values that underlie them.  The fact that Reagan supported amnesty 20+ years ago has no bearing on whether it is in line with conservatism to support it today, because circumstances change; core values remain constant.  We can argue about these issues, but the most important part is that we argue their merits based on the values that we share as conservatives - none of which are &quot;extremist&quot; or &quot;far right&quot; - they are simply values.  If you believe that it&#039;s wrong to kill, it&#039;s possible to take this position to an extreme and refuse to defend your family against an attacker, but this is a simplistic and child-like belief.  Adults consider circumstances using their experiences and develop values that take those circumstances into effect, i.e. &quot;It&#039;s wrong to kill, &lt;i&gt;except&lt;/i&gt; in defense of innocent life.&quot;.   Obviously there can still be disagreement, but it must then be argued within the confines of stated values.

The biggest problem that conservatives have in arguing with liberals has been their reluctance to state their values in any definitive way, thereby allowing them to take conflicting stances according to popular opinion or convenience.  We don&#039;t have that problem here, so let&#039;s remember to make our points from a position of respect.  Respect that those on the other side are, like us, adhering to principles, even if we disagree on their position.

That way, we may actually learn something, even if it doesn&#039;t change our minds, instead of becoming KoS-like villagers with pitchforks.

&lt;i&gt;oh heck, no preview button... hope I didn&#039;t mess up any tags...&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so terribly disappointed.  While reading these comments I had a feeling of disorientation.  Did I actually wander over to KoS?  That isn&#8217;t meant as an insult, or cheap shot, just that familiar feeling of recoil, seeing the words &#8220;far right&#8221; used as invective, and statements about  Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter that usually come from other, er, sides.</p>
<p>Obviously neither Rush nor Coulter should be immune to criticism, because WE don&#8217;t play that way, but most of what I&#8217;m reading isn&#8217;t criticism, but disdain.  Surely we can comment on the stands they&#8217;ve taken in a thoughtful, rather than dismissive, way.  They each make points in favor of their viewpoints, so how about addressing those points, not their personalities?  </p>
<p>There are thoughtful arguments out there, on all sides of this question.  Dismissing the ones you don&#8217;t like as extremist is counterproductive, because the word conservative has a meaning.  </p>
<p>I wish there was a checklist available (I might have to write myself one) of the basic conservative values.  No one list would work for everyone, but I think that there are some basic characteristics that most could agree on.  Taxes and immigration aren&#8217;t values, they&#8217;re issues that we take a stance on because of the values that underlie them.  The fact that Reagan supported amnesty 20+ years ago has no bearing on whether it is in line with conservatism to support it today, because circumstances change; core values remain constant.  We can argue about these issues, but the most important part is that we argue their merits based on the values that we share as conservatives &#8211; none of which are &#8220;extremist&#8221; or &#8220;far right&#8221; &#8211; they are simply values.  If you believe that it&#8217;s wrong to kill, it&#8217;s possible to take this position to an extreme and refuse to defend your family against an attacker, but this is a simplistic and child-like belief.  Adults consider circumstances using their experiences and develop values that take those circumstances into effect, i.e. &#8220;It&#8217;s wrong to kill, <i>except</i> in defense of innocent life.&#8221;.   Obviously there can still be disagreement, but it must then be argued within the confines of stated values.</p>
<p>The biggest problem that conservatives have in arguing with liberals has been their reluctance to state their values in any definitive way, thereby allowing them to take conflicting stances according to popular opinion or convenience.  We don&#8217;t have that problem here, so let&#8217;s remember to make our points from a position of respect.  Respect that those on the other side are, like us, adhering to principles, even if we disagree on their position.</p>
<p>That way, we may actually learn something, even if it doesn&#8217;t change our minds, instead of becoming KoS-like villagers with pitchforks.</p>
<p><i>oh heck, no preview button&#8230; hope I didn&#8217;t mess up any tags&#8230;</i></p>
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		By: Bard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s pro-life enough, and that&#039;s what the public eye is on - overturning Roe v. Wade. Nobody ever talks about overturning McConnell v. FEC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s pro-life enough, and that&#8217;s what the public eye is on &#8211; overturning Roe v. Wade. Nobody ever talks about overturning McConnell v. FEC.</p>
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		By: Terry		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2008/02/09/mccain-a-choice-not-an-echo/#comment-56919</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have heard many make the &quot;Judges&quot; argument for voting for McCain. The argument goes something like this:
If a Dem is elected, they will not nominate strict constructionist judges in the mold of Roberts, Alito, Scalia &#038; Thomas. McCain will.

Let me just say I don&#039;t think so and here is why:

1)  Roberts, Alito, Scalia &#038; Thomas were dissenting votes when his beloved McCain-Feingold went before the court. Dio you really think he would appoint someone that would give the court the 5th vote - against McCain-Feingold?

2) McCain believes that the Geneva convention should apply to terrorists and the same group of justices don&#039;t. Again one must suspend reality to believe he would appoint another enemy to his position to the court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard many make the &#8220;Judges&#8221; argument for voting for McCain. The argument goes something like this:<br />
If a Dem is elected, they will not nominate strict constructionist judges in the mold of Roberts, Alito, Scalia &amp; Thomas. McCain will.</p>
<p>Let me just say I don&#8217;t think so and here is why:</p>
<p>1)  Roberts, Alito, Scalia &amp; Thomas were dissenting votes when his beloved McCain-Feingold went before the court. Dio you really think he would appoint someone that would give the court the 5th vote &#8211; against McCain-Feingold?</p>
<p>2) McCain believes that the Geneva convention should apply to terrorists and the same group of justices don&#8217;t. Again one must suspend reality to believe he would appoint another enemy to his position to the court.</p>
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