Comments on: Whom do you trust? (or, how the NIE learned to stop worrying and love…) https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/ A blog about political change, among other things Thu, 05 May 2011 18:46:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: San Juan Del Sur Hotels https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-244250 Thu, 05 May 2011 18:46:05 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-244250 San Juan Del Sur Hotel
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]]> By: Vince https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49400 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:06:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49400 You wrote:
Unfortunately, there can be enormous consequences for getting it wrong–in either direction. The penalty for a false positive is an attack, or even a war, that is built at least partly on false premises…….And what’s the penalty for a false negative? Millions of innocents dead, and the ability of a regime like Iran to intimidate neighbors who lack a bomb–and, quite possibly (if the bomb is used), an ever-escalating series of retaliations that decimate the region and make it radioactive for generations to come.

Tony Blair made much the same point in a speech to the U.S. Congress in July, 2003, shortly after the war’s conclusion. In addressing whether or not any WMD would eventually be found in Iraq and thus prove the US/UK position right or wrong, he said:

Can we be sure that terrorism and weapons of mass destruction will join together? Let us say one thing: If we are wrong, we will have destroyed a threat that at its least is responsible for inhuman carnage and suffering. That is something I am confident history will forgive.

But if our critics are wrong, if we are right, as I believe with every fiber of instinct and conviction I have that we are, and we do not act, then we will have hesitated in the face of this menace when we should have given leadership. That is something history will not forgive.

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49268 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:56:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49268 Oc, I cribbed it off of Chuck Ziegenfuss from Milblog conference.

]]> By: Holiday potpourri…playing catch-up, playing hookey…you decide…. at Amused Cynic https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49258 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:13:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49258 […] Yes, the news is still always the same. The NIE report nonsense….the CIA “destroyed tape scandal”….the same old lame bovine excrement that has been hurled against this administration by disgruntled, entrenched bureaucrats at the State Dept. and the CIA all along. I’m not going to ruin my mood by even commenting….instead, I’ll defer to some bloggers who have been doing due diligence on the subjects here and here. […]

]]> By: Occam's Beard https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49227 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:50:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49227 Indeed, they would be the third members to enter the club, right after Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Good one, Y!

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49219 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:08:52 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49219 That’s interesting, as it wasn’t “democratic socialism” that employed the tools of propaganda to oversell the war in Iraq, for the purpose of convincing Americans of the necessity of preserving our national security…or the “greater good”, as it were.

Forcing people to do things for your own good and trying to convince people to support actions for their own good, are two different things, Xanth.

Does your false belief for human life and liberty lack in consistency that bad?

You are aware that what you wrote there, is exactly what I could have written about people having to clean up the mess in Iraq, right?

Of course. Just as I am aware that I would support the killing of 300 Muslims in the cause of the JIhad, the same as they would support the execution of 300 Americans in the cause of liberty.

This is nothing special, X. Just because we write or do the same things, X, doesn’t mean we believe or are on the same side.

Which implies that what you write isn’t actually supportive of your point about “smashing” the domestic “insurgency”, right?

How about just wrong. Why do your beliefs dictate what I should believe? We’re not a National Socialist or Democratic Socialist country, yet, X.

Anyway, you will succeed in destroying domestic political opposition when you can convince a majority of Americans that fighting endless wars that are justified by a variety of shifting rationales, is actually good for our country

Given that Petraeus destroyed domestic Sunni political and guerrilla opposition by convincing a majority of Sunnis that fighting endless wars against America will never be justified or good for their country… that actually is a good way of putting it. Well, my version, if not yours.

I have every confidence that the current leadership in Iran would love to enter the nuclear club.-Chris

Indeed, they would be the third members to enter the club, right after Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Big difference-Oc

Not to Chris. One nation and one war might as well be the same as another, to Chris.

]]> By: harry9000 https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49210 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:47:52 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49210 And if the missiles were guarded by baby seals, they would have clubbed them to death.

]]> By: harry9000 https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49205 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:58:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49205 You know, its probably fortunate for Ahmadinejad that he wasnt a Christian suggesting parents should be notified before condoms are handed out to 10 yr olds at school. Liberals would have fought their way to a Minuteman silo to launch a nuke at him.

]]> By: Occam's Beard https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49204 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:53:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49204 (Sorry about the open tag.)

]]> By: Occam's Beard https://thenewneo.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49203 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:52:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/12/07/whom-do-you-trust-or-how-the-nie-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love/#comment-49203 Exactly as argued by those who thought we should have made a first strike against Moscow back in the day. I am glad cooler heads prevailed then and hope they do today.

Except that the Soviets had nuclear weapons (after 1948), and as far as we know, the Iranians don’t – yet. So we’re compariing a nuclear scenario with a conventional war one. Big difference.

I just finished reading Mein Kampf, and frankly, I’m shocked. Not by the contents, which I expected, but by the fact that the book sets out clearly and unambiguously exactly what’s its author proposed to do, and yet no one took him seriously. Cooler heads prevailed then, and ended up waving pieces of paper on a tarmac.

…the Islamic world is as multifaceted and diverse as the West and thus can be dealt with in a wide variety of ways.b>

Such as?

Bear in mind exactly the same characterization would have applied to Fascism – Italy, Germany, Spain, Vichy France, and Japan were every bit as diverse as the Islamic world today.

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