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	Comments on: War  stories: TNR and Beauchamp&#8212;what&#8217;s all the breast-beating about? [Part I]	</title>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39531</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sources at blackfive say that the Army got Scott to sign an affidavit or sometihng that says that his allegiations were lies or based upon only pieces of truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sources at blackfive say that the Army got Scott to sign an affidavit or sometihng that says that his allegiations were lies or based upon only pieces of truth.</p>
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		By: Christ&#8217;s Of The Left &#171; Sigmund, Carl and Alfred		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christ&#8217;s Of The Left &#171; Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] post, TNR And Beauchamp in which she examines The National Review/Scott Beauchamp affair (parts one and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] post, TNR And Beauchamp in which she examines The National Review/Scott Beauchamp affair (parts one and [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39476</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[strcpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He lied, pure and simple. There are two separate stories coming from him - one must be a lie no matter what. As such there is no doubt that he is quite capable of telling falsehoods for personal gain.

If he lied to TNR then the worst that would happen is that the left will believe him, the right will not, and those in the middle will wring their hands over it for ages and come to no conclusion. In fact, lieing here will make him a huge hero to the left for standing up for what he believes.

If he lied to the military investigation while under oath he goes to jail.

Generally speaking I find the latter to be the most likely place to tell the truth. In one case he is *better off* by not telling the truth, in the other he goes to jail for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He lied, pure and simple. There are two separate stories coming from him &#8211; one must be a lie no matter what. As such there is no doubt that he is quite capable of telling falsehoods for personal gain.</p>
<p>If he lied to TNR then the worst that would happen is that the left will believe him, the right will not, and those in the middle will wring their hands over it for ages and come to no conclusion. In fact, lieing here will make him a huge hero to the left for standing up for what he believes.</p>
<p>If he lied to the military investigation while under oath he goes to jail.</p>
<p>Generally speaking I find the latter to be the most likely place to tell the truth. In one case he is *better off* by not telling the truth, in the other he goes to jail for it.</p>
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		By: stumbley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stumbley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting note about this whole mess in Power Line today:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Earlier this week the Wall Street Journal published a powerful column by the former Romanian intelligence officer Ion Mihai Pacepa. The subject of Pacepa&#039;s column was the destructive effect of the left&#039;s intemperate attacks on the president. Buried in Pacepa&#039;s column is this intriguing paragraph:

During the Vietnam War we spread vitriolic stories around the world, pretending that America&#039;s presidents sent Genghis Khan-style barbarian soldiers to Vietnam who raped at random, taped electrical wires to human genitals, cut off limbs, blew up bodies and razed entire villages. Those weren&#039;t facts. They were our tales, but some seven million Americans ended up being convinced their own president, not communism, was the enemy. As Yuri Andropov, who conceived this dezinformatsiya war against the U.S., used to tell me, people are more willing to believe smut than holiness.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting note about this whole mess in Power Line today:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Earlier this week the Wall Street Journal published a powerful column by the former Romanian intelligence officer Ion Mihai Pacepa. The subject of Pacepa&#8217;s column was the destructive effect of the left&#8217;s intemperate attacks on the president. Buried in Pacepa&#8217;s column is this intriguing paragraph:</p>
<p>During the Vietnam War we spread vitriolic stories around the world, pretending that America&#8217;s presidents sent Genghis Khan-style barbarian soldiers to Vietnam who raped at random, taped electrical wires to human genitals, cut off limbs, blew up bodies and razed entire villages. Those weren&#8217;t facts. They were our tales, but some seven million Americans ended up being convinced their own president, not communism, was the enemy. As Yuri Andropov, who conceived this dezinformatsiya war against the U.S., used to tell me, people are more willing to believe smut than holiness.&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: Bugs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bugs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not even sure what &quot;de-humanized&quot; means. Men turn into penguins?

The men who did My Lai were just as human as the men who didn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even sure what &#8220;de-humanized&#8221; means. Men turn into penguins?</p>
<p>The men who did My Lai were just as human as the men who didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been getting ambiguous messages when I try to post.
Maybe this gets through.
Beauchamp is a liar and TNR is in so deep that the possibility that they got innocently snookered is remote.
Where, as somebody said, would John Kerry, of Winter Soldier fame, be if we&#039;d had the net in 1971?

The problem is that, thorough as military training is, it can&#039;t always make up for living eighteen-plus years among civilians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been getting ambiguous messages when I try to post.<br />
Maybe this gets through.<br />
Beauchamp is a liar and TNR is in so deep that the possibility that they got innocently snookered is remote.<br />
Where, as somebody said, would John Kerry, of Winter Soldier fame, be if we&#8217;d had the net in 1971?</p>
<p>The problem is that, thorough as military training is, it can&#8217;t always make up for living eighteen-plus years among civilians.</p>
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		By: pst314		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pst314]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beauchamp&#039;s example shows that it&#039;s not war that dehumanizes, it&#039;s liberalism. ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beauchamp&#8217;s example shows that it&#8217;s not war that dehumanizes, it&#8217;s liberalism. 😉</p>
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		By: Danny Lemieux		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39453</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Lemieux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[EssEm - the problem was that Beauchamp concocted his fabulist narratives before he ever went to war. Douglas, thanks for the link - all I can say is &quot;wow&quot;!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EssEm &#8211; the problem was that Beauchamp concocted his fabulist narratives before he ever went to war. Douglas, thanks for the link &#8211; all I can say is &#8220;wow&#8221;!</p>
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		By: EssEm		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/08/08/war-stories-tnr-and-beauchamp-whats-all-the-breast-beating-about-part-i/#comment-39449</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EssEm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beauchamp illustrates his own thesis, that war degrades every part of you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beauchamp illustrates his own thesis, that war degrades every part of you.</p>
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		By: douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[democracy-project.combc.eduThe best piece written about the whole sordid affair (besides Neo&#039;s!) is this one:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracy-project.com/archives/003421.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pvt. Beauchamp: Proud of Being Ashamed?&lt;/a&gt;

Written by  &lt;a href=&quot;http://fmwww.bc.edu/pl/fac/mcnellis.cv.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rev. Paul W. McNellis, S.J. &lt;/a&gt;



I can hardly wait for part II!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>democracy-project.combc.eduThe best piece written about the whole sordid affair (besides Neo&#8217;s!) is this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.democracy-project.com/archives/003421.html" rel="nofollow">Pvt. Beauchamp: Proud of Being Ashamed?</a></p>
<p>Written by  <a href="http://fmwww.bc.edu/pl/fac/mcnellis.cv.html" rel="nofollow">Rev. Paul W. McNellis, S.J. </a></p>
<p>I can hardly wait for part II!</p>
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