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		By: Eddie		</title>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[alphie, you may mean to say that TAP and neo have misinterpreted the intent of the speech, and then give evidence for that.  However, they have not mischaracterized it.  They related what was said and interpreted that in light of other commonly-held knowledge.  Adding the hyperbole of claiming it is not an understatement only worsens your position on that.

I would call this a minor slip were it not for your history of conveniently choosing &quot;stretch words&quot; to make things appear worse than they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alphie, you may mean to say that TAP and neo have misinterpreted the intent of the speech, and then give evidence for that.  However, they have not mischaracterized it.  They related what was said and interpreted that in light of other commonly-held knowledge.  Adding the hyperbole of claiming it is not an understatement only worsens your position on that.</p>
<p>I would call this a minor slip were it not for your history of conveniently choosing &#8220;stretch words&#8221; to make things appear worse than they are.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/07/06/the-power-of-words-lets-just-say-we-won-in-iraq/#comment-37632</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Human psyche is malleable and oftentimes very vulnerable, to add to the theme of America the Tired.

It is not the maximum absolute amount of sacrifice that determines focus, will, spirit, esprit de corps, or discipline in the face of danger and terror. It is the strength of the human psyche, and in this case, so long as the media undermines the American fortitude, it does not really matter how many has died or lived, how many losses or victories.

So long as you control the battlespace of men&#039;s minds, reality no longer matters because you have chained a person in his own hell, a hell under your control. And of course, unless the real world intrudes to break your control over people or someone else steals your control over folks, control is still control.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, a society is only as strong as its strongest leaders and followers, and a person is only as strong as his ability to resist being controlled.

Currently it is only human beings and the minds that operate such beings, that control the weapons systems and policies. If you are able to control the human mind, then it does not matter what physical forces are arrayed against you. Until true AI develops, controlling the human mind, its perceptions and beliefs, will be the most important strategic objective of the 21st century.

The simple reason why it was less important in our past is because in our past the simple belief that you are strong must be backed up by physical military force and violence. For the Left, that is no longer true and even if it was, they have the help of their allies the Jihadists to complete the equation. Given better technology and safer environments, people no longer need physical strength to be seen as &quot;correct&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human psyche is malleable and oftentimes very vulnerable, to add to the theme of America the Tired.</p>
<p>It is not the maximum absolute amount of sacrifice that determines focus, will, spirit, esprit de corps, or discipline in the face of danger and terror. It is the strength of the human psyche, and in this case, so long as the media undermines the American fortitude, it does not really matter how many has died or lived, how many losses or victories.</p>
<p>So long as you control the battlespace of men&#8217;s minds, reality no longer matters because you have chained a person in his own hell, a hell under your control. And of course, unless the real world intrudes to break your control over people or someone else steals your control over folks, control is still control.</p>
<p>A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, a society is only as strong as its strongest leaders and followers, and a person is only as strong as his ability to resist being controlled.</p>
<p>Currently it is only human beings and the minds that operate such beings, that control the weapons systems and policies. If you are able to control the human mind, then it does not matter what physical forces are arrayed against you. Until true AI develops, controlling the human mind, its perceptions and beliefs, will be the most important strategic objective of the 21st century.</p>
<p>The simple reason why it was less important in our past is because in our past the simple belief that you are strong must be backed up by physical military force and violence. For the Left, that is no longer true and even if it was, they have the help of their allies the Jihadists to complete the equation. Given better technology and safer environments, people no longer need physical strength to be seen as &#8220;correct&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Human stupidity and having alliances with evil is never new.

It didn&#039;t even start with the first siege and the first inside betrayal either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human stupidity and having alliances with evil is never new.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t even start with the first siege and the first inside betrayal either.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the good news Alphie.  I hope you are correct.  If Gen. Petreaus and company can have a reasonably unfettered  rein through the remainder of Bush&#039;s term it may be enough.

Neo, I knew I was preaching to the choir.  I just get so frustrated when I hear that particular refrain.   I expect the larger struggle to go on through the rest of my life.  If Americans cannot maintain focus and commitment better than this, my grand-children could face a bleak future.

Regarding the media&#039;s contribution to national ignorance, I am just reading &quot;Troublesome Young Men (The Rebels who brought Churchill to power, and saved England)&quot;.   It is startling to read how the press and the BBC collaborated with the Chamberlain government in the run-up to the war  so as to keep the English people almost completely ignorant of the true situation.  Media malfeasance, and the damage it can produce, is not new.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good news Alphie.  I hope you are correct.  If Gen. Petreaus and company can have a reasonably unfettered  rein through the remainder of Bush&#8217;s term it may be enough.</p>
<p>Neo, I knew I was preaching to the choir.  I just get so frustrated when I hear that particular refrain.   I expect the larger struggle to go on through the rest of my life.  If Americans cannot maintain focus and commitment better than this, my grand-children could face a bleak future.</p>
<p>Regarding the media&#8217;s contribution to national ignorance, I am just reading &#8220;Troublesome Young Men (The Rebels who brought Churchill to power, and saved England)&#8221;.   It is startling to read how the press and the BBC collaborated with the Chamberlain government in the run-up to the war  so as to keep the English people almost completely ignorant of the true situation.  Media malfeasance, and the damage it can produce, is not new.</p>
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		By: alphie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I listened to Tester&#039;s speech, it was about 16 minutes long.

http://tester.senate.gov/News/record.cfm?id=278289

To say it has been mischaracterized by TAP and Neo is and understatement.

But cheer up, pro-war crowd...

H.R. 1585, next fiscal year&#039;s Defense spending bill, contains an extra $96 billion to fund the Iraq war through September 30, 2008.

The House passed it by a vote of 397-27.

The Senate begins debate on it on monday.

The war will continue through Bush&#039;s final term no matter what the Dems and &quot;wavering&quot; Republicans say in the coming months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to Tester&#8217;s speech, it was about 16 minutes long.</p>
<p><a href="http://tester.senate.gov/News/record.cfm?id=278289" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tester.senate.gov/News/record.cfm?id=278289</a></p>
<p>To say it has been mischaracterized by TAP and Neo is and understatement.</p>
<p>But cheer up, pro-war crowd&#8230;</p>
<p>H.R. 1585, next fiscal year&#8217;s Defense spending bill, contains an extra $96 billion to fund the Iraq war through September 30, 2008.</p>
<p>The House passed it by a vote of 397-27.</p>
<p>The Senate begins debate on it on monday.</p>
<p>The war will continue through Bush&#8217;s final term no matter what the Dems and &#8220;wavering&#8221; Republicans say in the coming months.</p>
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		By: Jimmy J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Neo, it is the relentless drip,drip, drip of bad news and criticism from the MSM and the left. It has been a masterpiece of propaganda. Herr Goebbels would be proud. 

I read the mil-blogs, plus Mike Yon, Bill Roggio, and others. They, the people with boots on the ground, are not tired nor are they discouraged. Things are turning around. 

Those of us who have some grasp of the reality of the situation need to write our Congress Critters again and again and again. The blogosphere helped stop the Illegal immigration travesty. Why can&#039;t we have some influence on Congress to support the troops until they, the troops, say the situation is hopeless?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Neo, it is the relentless drip,drip, drip of bad news and criticism from the MSM and the left. It has been a masterpiece of propaganda. Herr Goebbels would be proud. </p>
<p>I read the mil-blogs, plus Mike Yon, Bill Roggio, and others. They, the people with boots on the ground, are not tired nor are they discouraged. Things are turning around. </p>
<p>Those of us who have some grasp of the reality of the situation need to write our Congress Critters again and again and again. The blogosphere helped stop the Illegal immigration travesty. Why can&#8217;t we have some influence on Congress to support the troops until they, the troops, say the situation is hopeless?</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer: I understand the point you&#039;re making.  I think people are tired of this war because they do not get the connection at all to the so-called &quot;War on Terror.&quot;  The MSM and the left have been relentless in their criticism of the war and emphasis on bad news to the exclusion of good (read Michael Yon to get a more balanced view; but how many do?).  It is a case of the drip drip drip of constant repetition (much like in advertising) that emphasizes not just the casualties in this war but the meaninglessness of it, and even the supposed venality of it (&quot;oil,&quot; &quot;Halliburton&quot;).  If there are deaths---and there certainly are here, even though they are relatively small for the length of the conflict---and &lt;i&gt;those deaths are perceived to be&lt;/i&gt; in a manufactured or meaningless cause and to no purpose, of course people will get not only tired of the war, but angry about it.  I would, myself, if I thought that were the case.  And if I still was limited to reading the &lt;i&gt;NY Times&lt;/i&gt; or the &lt;i&gt;Boston Globe&lt;/i&gt;, I &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; think that were the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer: I understand the point you&#8217;re making.  I think people are tired of this war because they do not get the connection at all to the so-called &#8220;War on Terror.&#8221;  The MSM and the left have been relentless in their criticism of the war and emphasis on bad news to the exclusion of good (read Michael Yon to get a more balanced view; but how many do?).  It is a case of the drip drip drip of constant repetition (much like in advertising) that emphasizes not just the casualties in this war but the meaninglessness of it, and even the supposed venality of it (&#8220;oil,&#8221; &#8220;Halliburton&#8221;).  If there are deaths&#8212;and there certainly are here, even though they are relatively small for the length of the conflict&#8212;and <i>those deaths are perceived to be</i> in a manufactured or meaningless cause and to no purpose, of course people will get not only tired of the war, but angry about it.  I would, myself, if I thought that were the case.  And if I still was limited to reading the <i>NY Times</i> or the <i>Boston Globe</i>, I <i>would</i> think that were the case.</p>
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		By: Tim P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot;Another characteristic Tester’s proposal has is that it indicates a strong and almost delusional belief in the power of words to create reality.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Such word power in the service of a delusion work here in America only because those who utter them can smile, smug in the knowledge that such a disastrous path, if taken will not directly harm them, but will further their shortsighted partisan political agenda. They won&#039;t suffer the reprisals or slaughter. Neither will their families. (9/11 being all but forgotten by them or discredited as an &#039;inside job&#039; by the more rabid)

I honestly am coming to believe that such cynical political hacks don&#039;t care at all about fighting the war on terror or if America and the west loses as long as they gain some short sighted political advantage from it.  This clash of opposing world views is simply another backdrop for domestic political in-fighting. They fail to think through the ramifications to the west should we not prevail. Sadly, it would seem that they don&#039;t care if their ship is sinking as long as they can go down first class. They are the living embodiment of decadence. 

Radical Islamism is not going to go away if we pack up and leave Iraq. Nor will it fold up its tent and go if we abandon Israel. Or leave the middle east entirely. You would think that obvious to any fool. Obviously there are many (fools) who can&#039;t see the most obvious facts or refuse to see them.

They might want to reflect on Gerard&#039;s citing of Trotsky&#039;s quote above,&lt;b&gt; “You might not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;Another characteristic Tester’s proposal has is that it indicates a strong and almost delusional belief in the power of words to create reality.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Such word power in the service of a delusion work here in America only because those who utter them can smile, smug in the knowledge that such a disastrous path, if taken will not directly harm them, but will further their shortsighted partisan political agenda. They won&#8217;t suffer the reprisals or slaughter. Neither will their families. (9/11 being all but forgotten by them or discredited as an &#8216;inside job&#8217; by the more rabid)</p>
<p>I honestly am coming to believe that such cynical political hacks don&#8217;t care at all about fighting the war on terror or if America and the west loses as long as they gain some short sighted political advantage from it.  This clash of opposing world views is simply another backdrop for domestic political in-fighting. They fail to think through the ramifications to the west should we not prevail. Sadly, it would seem that they don&#8217;t care if their ship is sinking as long as they can go down first class. They are the living embodiment of decadence. </p>
<p>Radical Islamism is not going to go away if we pack up and leave Iraq. Nor will it fold up its tent and go if we abandon Israel. Or leave the middle east entirely. You would think that obvious to any fool. Obviously there are many (fools) who can&#8217;t see the most obvious facts or refuse to see them.</p>
<p>They might want to reflect on Gerard&#8217;s citing of Trotsky&#8217;s quote above,<b> “You might not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”</b></p>
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