Comments on: What it takes to get the appelation “warmonger” these days https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/ A blog about political change, among other things Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:20:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: s https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36404 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:00:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36404 iranian.comHigh on hate?
Bush administration finds itself in a position where it needs to prepare the world opinion for mass genocide with a compelling reason

The authors are known Islamic republic apologists:

http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2007/June/Hate/index.html

]]> By: Jen https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36398 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:16:24 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36398 Neo, I’m glad you brought up the “wag the dog” nonsense, because it exemplifies the total politicization of the war we are in. I thought those comments were obnoxious then, but now that I see clearly what we are (and were) fighting, I find that Republican tactic to be absolutely despicable.

Clinton’s surgical strikes may not have been as effective as we would have liked, but at least he was actually trying to fight back against an enemy which had destroyed two of our embassies, killing hundreds of people. It’s disgusting that at that time Republicans were more worried about Clinton’s sexual indiscretions than about terrorist strikes against us.

In any case, they are reaping what they have sown, because now we have Democrats ridiculing the president, rather than supporting him in this war, pretending the war is about his personal ambitions rather than about stopping a brutal enemy.

I think there are a few real pacifists, but way too many in the anti-war crowd are really just anti-bush. Maybe some of them are even just bitter because of the nasty treatment they got during the Clinton era.

It all makes me sick. We have a real problem, a real enemy, and too little political will to fight it (instead of just fighting each other.)

]]> By: Richard Aubrey https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36395 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:23:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36395 There are very few actual pacifists around these days.
Mostly, they want us to be pacifists. The other side….well, they’ll get around to it. In the meantime, the other side is justified in not being pacifists because we’re so rotten.
That is not the strict pacifist position, but it is the most common position which is currently calling itself pacifist.

]]> By: The Unknown Blogger https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36394 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:30:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36394 No, Neo’s post was about the fact that Sen. Lieberman made public comments that we should be prepared to launch attacks on Iran, and something called the Alaska Report called him a “warmonger” because of it.

Given that “warmonger” means “a person who advocates war or warlike policies” one would think you all would embrace the word, rather than shun it.

If Wesley Clark qualifies as one of your radical pacifists, then presumably anyone who disagrees with your view on when war is justified could also qualify. If that is the case, then happily we will have nothing more to discuss.

]]> By: John F. Opie https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36389 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:58:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36389 Unknown –

Yes I do. Huffington Post? GMAFB: why not just pull something out of Koz while you’re at it.

I do count Clark among them: he’s changed his spots. He grew up believing in the Soviet menace and served his country, but the threat has changed. He just doesn’t believe in it.

And at the very least Edwards is one: he believes that we’re fighting a bumper-sticker war. Or can you get any of the current democratic candidates to come out on when a war must be fought?

The post from NeoNeoCon is that merely asking the question of when it would be justified to go to war to prevent a greater evil – Iran – is enough to get you branded as a warmonger. That’s where radical pacifism comes into play: they don’t even want people to talk about the problem, as it threatens their naive world view so desperately that they want to ensure that the question doesn’t even get raised.

Stick to the point.

]]> By: The Unknown Blogger https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36385 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:28:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36385 huffingtonpost.com***

John, sorry, but your *radical pacifists* are the only straw men here.

Where exactly are these hordes of radicals who maintain that *no war is ever justified, no way no how,* especially those who have any influence at all in shaping the debate or formulating US foreign policy?

Certainly you don’t count General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, and a critic of Liberman’s comments, among them?

]]> By: John F. Opie https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36377 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:15:54 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36377 Hi –

No, Alphie, that won’t work at all: you’re avoiding the actual problem: radical pacifism – that no war is ever justified, no way no how (but especially so if the US or the West is involved) – does nothing but encourage those in charge of countries like Iran, as they believe that the useful fools will prevent the US and the West from actually doing anything.

The issue here is what gets you painted as a warmonger, and in this case daring to say that in order to stop Iran from building the bomb it might be necessary to actually do something about it gets Lieberman painted as a warmonger.

]]> By: alphie https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36359 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:48:43 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36359 Why bring it up?

Because the Iraq war is the standard the bomb Iran crowd is being judged by, John.

]]> By: John F. Opie https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36358 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:44:10 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36358 Hey, “Unknown Blogger” –

Nowhere in my post did I even mention opposition to the war in Iraq. Nowhere. Nor did Neoneocon in her original post: why bring that up at all?

Nice try with your straw man: doesn’t work.

John

]]> By: Daniel in Brookline https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36356 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:20:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/06/11/what-it-takes-to-get-the-appelation-warmonger-these-days/#comment-36356

And in that messy world, Joe Lieberman is still correct: negotiations with Iran are a joke if there are no perceived teeth behind them.

The teeth are there, if we have the will to use them. (And since someone had to order the “teeth” into position, I suspect the will is there.)

Good on Sen. Lieberman for saying what needs to be said. Iran already assumes that they can kidnap our citizens and kill our soldiers with impunity, because they’ve already done both. That’s what they feel free to do without nuclear weapons. Do we really want to see what happens when Iran has the nukes?

respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline

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