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		By: WEVS1		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/04/defending-chavez-enemy-of-their-enemy/#comment-36175</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[slate.comI agree that there is a general tendency for radical leftists to link onto any anti-American political movement. However, in the case of Chavez, he also has been experimenting with some moves to put more power in the hands of local communities and take it away from the national legislature. This is accomplished through political organs that are faithful to Chavez, of course. This sort of exercise in “grassroots democracy” is appealing to large sectors of the radical left who consider multi-party democracies, elections, a free press and independent workers organizations to be the trappings of corrupt capitalist systems. In Cuba, similar committees of “Popular Power” exist as well. These functionaries supervise some small local projects but they don’t have any actual decision-making power. 

BTW, my dog’s name is “Che” which simply means “pal”. He is not named after Che Guevara. Guevara was another butcher who is lionized by the radical left, useful idiots and fellow travelers. Here is a critical article on Che written by Paul Berman, a man of the left:

http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/

Tj asks, “Doesnt majority rule?” Yes, and no. If you are talking about pluralistic, liberal democracies, “majorities rule” but there also needs to be a healthy dose of minority rights to prevent any one faction or elite group from seizing absolute power as well as to protect the individual against the state. The framers wrote a great deal about this in the Federalist Papers. They are widely available online.

Lastly, there are people from the democratic left writing critical things about Chavez. Here is an article from The Guardian CiF:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ben_whitford/2007/05/the_revolution_will_not_be_tel.html

&quot;n pulling the plug on RCTV, Ché¡vez appointed himself judge, jury and executioner; and in doing so, struck a dangerous blow against Venezuela&#039;s proud traditions of democracy and free speech. Worryingly, he did so as part of a wider campaign to stifle dissenting voices and independent views. Since coming to power, Ché¡vez has pushed through a barrage of regulations designed to breed a compliant and uncritical media sector; organizations now face swingeing fines and license suspensions if they fail to meet vague and arbitrary &quot;social responsibility&quot; criteria, while draconian defamation regulations and &quot;insult laws&quot; make it illegal to show disrespect for government officials and institutions.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slate.comI agree that there is a general tendency for radical leftists to link onto any anti-American political movement. However, in the case of Chavez, he also has been experimenting with some moves to put more power in the hands of local communities and take it away from the national legislature. This is accomplished through political organs that are faithful to Chavez, of course. This sort of exercise in “grassroots democracy” is appealing to large sectors of the radical left who consider multi-party democracies, elections, a free press and independent workers organizations to be the trappings of corrupt capitalist systems. In Cuba, similar committees of “Popular Power” exist as well. These functionaries supervise some small local projects but they don’t have any actual decision-making power. </p>
<p>BTW, my dog’s name is “Che” which simply means “pal”. He is not named after Che Guevara. Guevara was another butcher who is lionized by the radical left, useful idiots and fellow travelers. Here is a critical article on Che written by Paul Berman, a man of the left:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.slate.com/id/2107100/</a></p>
<p>Tj asks, “Doesnt majority rule?” Yes, and no. If you are talking about pluralistic, liberal democracies, “majorities rule” but there also needs to be a healthy dose of minority rights to prevent any one faction or elite group from seizing absolute power as well as to protect the individual against the state. The framers wrote a great deal about this in the Federalist Papers. They are widely available online.</p>
<p>Lastly, there are people from the democratic left writing critical things about Chavez. Here is an article from The Guardian CiF:</p>
<p><a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ben_whitford/2007/05/the_revolution_will_not_be_tel.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ben_whitford/2007/05/the_revolution_will_not_be_tel.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;n pulling the plug on RCTV, Ché¡vez appointed himself judge, jury and executioner; and in doing so, struck a dangerous blow against Venezuela&#8217;s proud traditions of democracy and free speech. Worryingly, he did so as part of a wider campaign to stifle dissenting voices and independent views. Since coming to power, Ché¡vez has pushed through a barrage of regulations designed to breed a compliant and uncritical media sector; organizations now face swingeing fines and license suspensions if they fail to meet vague and arbitrary &#8220;social responsibility&#8221; criteria, while draconian defamation regulations and &#8220;insult laws&#8221; make it illegal to show disrespect for government officials and institutions.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Next Stop Lauderdale		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like the typical leftie that is hard pressed to recognize reality when it strikes them in the face.........steve]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the typical leftie that is hard pressed to recognize reality when it strikes them in the face&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;steve</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/04/defending-chavez-enemy-of-their-enemy/#comment-36095</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Which I believe any country has the right to do.&lt;/b&gt;

The Left believes the country is the leader. Which means when they hate Bush, they translate that as hating America. And when they love Chavez... they automatically love Venezuela as well. A weird sort of 1984ish doublethink Neo.

&lt;b&gt;As for the shutting down of a radio station by way of not renewing its license, I say, why is that any different than this country?&lt;/b&gt;

You see what action based propaganda is, Neo? It is when you get folks likes this talking about and believing in crap that never even occured. Okay, technically that&#039;s not general action based propaganda, that&#039;s propaganda based upon the actions of the Left. But to make a reference point to what you said about VDH&#039;s post, explanations isn&#039;t just about saying whatever you believe is true. It is about making other people believe in your explanation. Huge gave an explanation, and folks believe in it because... of whatever. Duplicate it. Just for your side, should be the goal.

Creating a narrative and taking advantage of certain events, either done by you or by someone else, is an art form in manipulating human psychology. Sometimes you succede, sometimes not so much. But regardless, the attempt should be made. It is tricky because it depends almost wholly upon the target audience. Say, propaganda that is effective against Leftist targets is very different from propaganda that could affect military people for example. Military folks are notoriously hard to affect using any form of propaganda because of their position in the war and their critical thinking and BS meters. But Leftist targets easy to affect. So your methods start to diversify. The Left wants to believe Chavez is good, so... fullfill their expectations and your propaganda becomes effective.

Counter-Propaganda then has to deal with the question of &quot;how do you make an effective propaganda campaign, a total disaster for the other side&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Which I believe any country has the right to do.</b></p>
<p>The Left believes the country is the leader. Which means when they hate Bush, they translate that as hating America. And when they love Chavez&#8230; they automatically love Venezuela as well. A weird sort of 1984ish doublethink Neo.</p>
<p><b>As for the shutting down of a radio station by way of not renewing its license, I say, why is that any different than this country?</b></p>
<p>You see what action based propaganda is, Neo? It is when you get folks likes this talking about and believing in crap that never even occured. Okay, technically that&#8217;s not general action based propaganda, that&#8217;s propaganda based upon the actions of the Left. But to make a reference point to what you said about VDH&#8217;s post, explanations isn&#8217;t just about saying whatever you believe is true. It is about making other people believe in your explanation. Huge gave an explanation, and folks believe in it because&#8230; of whatever. Duplicate it. Just for your side, should be the goal.</p>
<p>Creating a narrative and taking advantage of certain events, either done by you or by someone else, is an art form in manipulating human psychology. Sometimes you succede, sometimes not so much. But regardless, the attempt should be made. It is tricky because it depends almost wholly upon the target audience. Say, propaganda that is effective against Leftist targets is very different from propaganda that could affect military people for example. Military folks are notoriously hard to affect using any form of propaganda because of their position in the war and their critical thinking and BS meters. But Leftist targets easy to affect. So your methods start to diversify. The Left wants to believe Chavez is good, so&#8230; fullfill their expectations and your propaganda becomes effective.</p>
<p>Counter-Propaganda then has to deal with the question of &#8220;how do you make an effective propaganda campaign, a total disaster for the other side&#8221;.</p>
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		By: a guy in pajamas		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/04/defending-chavez-enemy-of-their-enemy/#comment-36093</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a guy in pajamas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tj, ya lost at the word &#039;sheeple,&#039; a neo-fascist projectionalist term of elitist infantilistic temper-tantrumism]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tj, ya lost at the word &#8216;sheeple,&#8217; a neo-fascist projectionalist term of elitist infantilistic temper-tantrumism</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/04/defending-chavez-enemy-of-their-enemy/#comment-36085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Doesn&#039;t majority rule?&quot;

So, tj, if 50.1% of the population vote to reinstate slavery, then you would go along?  Majority rule, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doesn&#8217;t majority rule?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, tj, if 50.1% of the population vote to reinstate slavery, then you would go along?  Majority rule, right?</p>
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		By: peter jackson		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/06/04/defending-chavez-enemy-of-their-enemy/#comment-36074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be shocked if there actually were 600 Venezuelan broadcast standards.

And tj, the only &quot;corporate oil company&quot; in Venezuela is PVDSA, the state-owned oil company, which Chavez has now put under his personal control. I must say, your know-nothingism is impressive.

yours/
peter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be shocked if there actually were 600 Venezuelan broadcast standards.</p>
<p>And tj, the only &#8220;corporate oil company&#8221; in Venezuela is PVDSA, the state-owned oil company, which Chavez has now put under his personal control. I must say, your know-nothingism is impressive.</p>
<p>yours/<br />
peter.</p>
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		By: Zeno		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zeno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s amazing the length leftists will go to justify censure, murder, repression of students, torture, genocide - when it comes from a leftist or any anti-western source.

Which goes to show, leftists are merely anti-west.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing the length leftists will go to justify censure, murder, repression of students, torture, genocide &#8211; when it comes from a leftist or any anti-western source.</p>
<p>Which goes to show, leftists are merely anti-west.</p>
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		By: Matthew M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone who can rationalize the tyrannical behavior of Hugo Chavez is not a friend of liberty.  No advocate of &lt;i&gt;kumbaya&lt;/i&gt; peace-love-dope 60&#039;s BS can pretend to care about rights while excusing a marxist bulldozer like Chavez.  If the left ever learns the difference between a &lt;i&gt;caudillo&lt;/i&gt; and a &lt;i&gt;Cincinnatus&lt;/i&gt;, they might appear less like idiots.

And no, TJ, majority rule does not count when it infringes on individual&#039;s rights -- including those of owners of South American TV stations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who can rationalize the tyrannical behavior of Hugo Chavez is not a friend of liberty.  No advocate of <i>kumbaya</i> peace-love-dope 60&#8217;s BS can pretend to care about rights while excusing a marxist bulldozer like Chavez.  If the left ever learns the difference between a <i>caudillo</i> and a <i>Cincinnatus</i>, they might appear less like idiots.</p>
<p>And no, TJ, majority rule does not count when it infringes on individual&#8217;s rights &#8212; including those of owners of South American TV stations.</p>
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		By: tj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neos, libs, right and left, who cares?  You sheeple get so hung up on the love of the order of bi-partisianship, you are blinded by it.

The original issue was Chavez kicking out all the Corporate oil companies and nationalizing the oil infrastructure, thereby being in control of the profit which was to be re-invested in Venezuela.  Which I believe any country has the right to do.  
As for the shutting down of a radio station by way of not renewing its license, I say, why is that any different than this country?  If our administration had fairly conclusive evidence, that the radio station was participating in politics considered to be of a terrorist nature, our government would do the same thing or worse.  
In addition, he does have the will of his people, right or wrong, just like this country, right or wrong.
Doesnt majority rule?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neos, libs, right and left, who cares?  You sheeple get so hung up on the love of the order of bi-partisianship, you are blinded by it.</p>
<p>The original issue was Chavez kicking out all the Corporate oil companies and nationalizing the oil infrastructure, thereby being in control of the profit which was to be re-invested in Venezuela.  Which I believe any country has the right to do.<br />
As for the shutting down of a radio station by way of not renewing its license, I say, why is that any different than this country?  If our administration had fairly conclusive evidence, that the radio station was participating in politics considered to be of a terrorist nature, our government would do the same thing or worse.<br />
In addition, he does have the will of his people, right or wrong, just like this country, right or wrong.<br />
Doesnt majority rule?</p>
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		By: Fausta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fausta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Surely you’d agree that any broadcaster that breeches existing standards and even breaks law shouldn’t have it’s licence renewed when it comes up for review?&lt;/i&gt;
I surely do not agree.

Chavez did not resort to due process when that took place.  He waited to close the station until the Enabling Law granted him powers to rule by decree.

The Brazilian Congress, Chile, and all the Spanish press have condemned the closing because of that.

Chavez himself has stated that his goal is &quot;informational hegemony&quot;,  and is now suing Globovision and CNN for broadcasting a press conference by the Inter-American Press Association (see my article http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/05/chavezeula.php)

So don&#039;t assume that I&#039;d agree to your statement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Surely you’d agree that any broadcaster that breeches existing standards and even breaks law shouldn’t have it’s licence renewed when it comes up for review?</i><br />
I surely do not agree.</p>
<p>Chavez did not resort to due process when that took place.  He waited to close the station until the Enabling Law granted him powers to rule by decree.</p>
<p>The Brazilian Congress, Chile, and all the Spanish press have condemned the closing because of that.</p>
<p>Chavez himself has stated that his goal is &#8220;informational hegemony&#8221;,  and is now suing Globovision and CNN for broadcasting a press conference by the Inter-American Press Association (see my article <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/05/chavezeula.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/05/chavezeula.php</a>)</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t assume that I&#8217;d agree to your statement.</p>
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