Comments on: Defeat and defeatism https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/ A blog about political change, among other things Mon, 14 May 2007 14:49:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: sergey https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35198 Mon, 14 May 2007 09:19:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35198 Recently I have read a brilliant essay of K.G. Chesterton “New Yerusalem”, his traveler’s notes about piligrimage to British Mandate Palestine. Among many surprisingly actual themes there was consideration on defeat of Crusaders in Palestine and its repercussions. He makes a strong case that this defeat precipitated a centuries long decline of Western civilization, “lost of heart” for very promissing development associated with rise of chivalry and restoring of old Roman Empire under Papacy. This was the end of Reconquista, that is, rebuilding of origional realm of Christendom including not only Europe, but also North Africa and Middle East. If Saracenes were then thrown back to Arabia and Asian part of Turkey, Greece would posess now Konstantinopole and Mediterranean coasts of Asia, Syria and Lebanon were Chistian, and prospects for the whole of the West much more bright than they are now. But it is still possible to return these terrories to their original masters after sound defeat of Islam!

]]> By: Dean's World https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35192 Mon, 14 May 2007 01:54:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35192 “Defeat” vs. “Defeatism”…

As per usual, Neo has a terrific essay….

]]> By: Lee https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35185 Sun, 13 May 2007 20:14:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35185 Still no answer, Ted? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

]]> By: Lee https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35174 Sun, 13 May 2007 07:13:45 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35174 Satan better own a jacket.

]]> By: Lee https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35173 Sun, 13 May 2007 07:12:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35173 After indulging himself in dungeons and dragons like fantasies, perhaps Ted could name the “actual” battle the U.S. military has lost tactically, operationally, or strategically. Obviously, Vietnam was a political loss, but the point Neo is making is that the U.S. has never lost recently on the “actual” field of battle. Well, Ted?

]]> By: ted https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35172 Sun, 13 May 2007 06:29:28 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35172 I knew Neo’s juvenile “In fact, the US has never suffered a defeat” sounded familiar. An excerpt from Wikipedias account of the fight between the Black Knight and King Arthur in Monty Python’s Holy Grail.

Another sword fight takes place between the Knight and Arthur, which is interrupted when Arthur chops off one of the Knight’s arms. The Knight denies the injury, protesting “’tis but a scratch!” Arthur points out that the Knight has just lost an arm, which the knight categorically denies again. When Arthur points out the Knight’s severed arm lying on the ground, the Knight contemplates it for a moment, then smoothly replies “I’ve had worse.”, then Arthur replies “You Liar!” and resumes the attack. The Knight eventually loses his other arm and his sword as well. Arthur kneels to pray, thanking God for his apparent victory, but the Knight begins kicking Arthur, yelling “Have at you!” Arthur (trying to make the Knight see sense) says “Look you stupid bastard, you’ve got no arms left”, and the Knight replies “Yes I have” Arthur says “look”, “It’s just a flesh wound” says the Knight and continues to kick and taunt Arthur. He loses one leg to Arthur’s sword, but insists on continuing the fight, hopping about on his remaining leg and crying “Right! I’ll do you for that! Come here!” Arthur, completely fed up by this point, sarcastically remarks, “What are you going to do, bleed on me?” to which the Knight screams “I’m invincible!” Arthur replies “You’re a loony!” The Knight is still intent on fighting Arthur, hopping up against him and madly proclaiming “The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you!” Arthur finally hacks off the Knight’s remaining leg.

After Arthur has hacked off all of his limbs, the knight looks down at what remains of his body, then looks up at Arthur who congenially declares “All right, we’ll call it a draw.” Arthur and Patsy resume their journey, while the Knight fumes impotently at them. “Running away, eh?! You yellow bastards, come back here and take what’s coming to you! I’ll bite your legs off!”

]]> By: ted https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35171 Sun, 13 May 2007 06:14:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35171 I would say “Hey look a snow ball in hell”.

]]> By: Lee https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35170 Sun, 13 May 2007 05:40:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35170 I wonder what Ted will say when President-elect Guiliani is sworn in.

]]> By: ted https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35169 Sun, 13 May 2007 05:15:34 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35169 “In fact, the US has never suffered a defeat. … many of us don’t quite understand what it means.”

Holy crap. You certainly don’t.

]]> By: ted https://thenewneo.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35168 Sun, 13 May 2007 04:57:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/05/11/defeat-and-defeatism/#comment-35168 The Right is imploding. The religious Right is dead as a political power. Poof! The second enlightment is here.

How long will you give the GOP? One election cycle and that is it!

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