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	Comments on: Reid&#8217;s proposal: not quite treason, but cynical managed care for war	</title>
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		By: joe blough		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/04/25/reids-proposal-not-quite-treason-but-cynical-managed-care-for-war/#comment-34474</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe blough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. Constitution: Article III

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. 
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The question is whether or not he is &quot;&lt;i&gt;adhering to their [our] Enemies&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.

To demonstrate the point, one would have to find utterances by White-Feather Harry that indicate that he considers the jihaddi opposition in Iraq to be justified.

Can&#039;t say as I know.

Certainly it walks like a duck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>U.S. Constitution: Article III</p>
<p>Section 3.</p>
<p>Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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<p>The question is whether or not he is &#8220;<i>adhering to their [our] Enemies</i>&#8220;.</p>
<p>To demonstrate the point, one would have to find utterances by White-Feather Harry that indicate that he considers the jihaddi opposition in Iraq to be justified.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say as I know.</p>
<p>Certainly it walks like a duck.</p>
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		By: The Unknown Blogger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Unknown Blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been told it&#039;s polite to stay on topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told it&#8217;s polite to stay on topic.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/04/25/reids-proposal-not-quite-treason-but-cynical-managed-care-for-war/#comment-34351</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a surprise that UB doesn&#039;t want to get into &quot;details&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a surprise that UB doesn&#8217;t want to get into &#8220;details&#8221;.</p>
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		By: The Unknown Blogger		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/04/25/reids-proposal-not-quite-treason-but-cynical-managed-care-for-war/#comment-34320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Unknown Blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fair enough.

Re Feinstein: Let&#039;s not forget we are talking about politicians here. My problem with this group is that they treat unseemly  political behavior (or even normal political posturing) as if it were exclusively the domain of the Democrats, and that&#039;s simply not the case.

As if to prove my point, I wasn&#039;t aware of the Reid land deal so I googled it and came up with this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/items/200610180011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why has CNN devoted 50 times as much coverage to Harry Reid&#039;s land deal as Dennis Hastert&#039;s?&lt;/a&gt;

I don&#039;t want to get into the details of these things, I am just pointing out that no party is above them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>Re Feinstein: Let&#8217;s not forget we are talking about politicians here. My problem with this group is that they treat unseemly  political behavior (or even normal political posturing) as if it were exclusively the domain of the Democrats, and that&#8217;s simply not the case.</p>
<p>As if to prove my point, I wasn&#8217;t aware of the Reid land deal so I googled it and came up with this:</p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200610180011" rel="nofollow">Why has CNN devoted 50 times as much coverage to Harry Reid&#8217;s land deal as Dennis Hastert&#8217;s?</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to get into the details of these things, I am just pointing out that no party is above them.</p>
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		By: The Bunnies		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/04/25/reids-proposal-not-quite-treason-but-cynical-managed-care-for-war/#comment-34319</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Bunnies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(Even broken clocks are right twice a day.)

And I know that the Feinstein comment was a dodge (I can admit it when people on my side use techniques I don&#039;t like, pace Lee).  I find that people on both sides are reluctant to acknowledge evidence that doesn&#039;t make them look good.

From what I can tell, Feinstein&#039;s actions exemplified &quot;the culture of corruption&quot; the dems ran against this last election, so people on Feinstein&#039;s side don&#039;t like to talk about it.  Harry Reid&#039;s land deal also looked pretty shady, and the only defense I&#039;ve seen his supporters present is to pretend it didn&#039;t happen.

These cases aren&#039;t relevant to every discussion, but they do make it harder for the Dems to claim the moral high ground.

I can&#039;t say I never &quot;dodge,&quot; but I really try not to.  I believe what I believe in large part because my ideological opponents so often refute the points I make by evading them--if there were a valid refutation, they would present it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Even broken clocks are right twice a day.)</p>
<p>And I know that the Feinstein comment was a dodge (I can admit it when people on my side use techniques I don&#8217;t like, pace Lee).  I find that people on both sides are reluctant to acknowledge evidence that doesn&#8217;t make them look good.</p>
<p>From what I can tell, Feinstein&#8217;s actions exemplified &#8220;the culture of corruption&#8221; the dems ran against this last election, so people on Feinstein&#8217;s side don&#8217;t like to talk about it.  Harry Reid&#8217;s land deal also looked pretty shady, and the only defense I&#8217;ve seen his supporters present is to pretend it didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>These cases aren&#8217;t relevant to every discussion, but they do make it harder for the Dems to claim the moral high ground.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I never &#8220;dodge,&#8221; but I really try not to.  I believe what I believe in large part because my ideological opponents so often refute the points I make by evading them&#8211;if there were a valid refutation, they would present it.</p>
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		By: The Unknown Blogger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Unknown Blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure what you mean about broken clocks, but thanks for acknowledging the MSM for the Walter Reed scandal.

And that was the point, about the blogosphere giving props to the MSM. Dianne Feinstein has nothing to do with it, it was just a dodge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean about broken clocks, but thanks for acknowledging the MSM for the Walter Reed scandal.</p>
<p>And that was the point, about the blogosphere giving props to the MSM. Dianne Feinstein has nothing to do with it, it was just a dodge.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We may be witnessing the admittedly very slow evolution of America&#039;s descent into battle zones, the Reds vs. the Blues (whoever in the Media tagged us as Red was very clever indeed). The electoral maps show the Blues as islands surrounded. Recall the Maoist strategy of holding the countryside, surrounding the islands. I won&#039;t live to see it played out but have hope for the  end result, wishing all the while it wasn&#039;t necessary. The battle cannot be fought electorally...that time is past. We&#039;ll close the circle by bringing Vietnam truly home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may be witnessing the admittedly very slow evolution of America&#8217;s descent into battle zones, the Reds vs. the Blues (whoever in the Media tagged us as Red was very clever indeed). The electoral maps show the Blues as islands surrounded. Recall the Maoist strategy of holding the countryside, surrounding the islands. I won&#8217;t live to see it played out but have hope for the  end result, wishing all the while it wasn&#8217;t necessary. The battle cannot be fought electorally&#8230;that time is past. We&#8217;ll close the circle by bringing Vietnam truly home.</p>
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		By: The Bunnies		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/04/25/reids-proposal-not-quite-treason-but-cynical-managed-care-for-war/#comment-34316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Bunnies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deshawn:

Some Iraqis think the US can win and would like it to, some think the US can win but would rather it didn&#039;t, some think the US can&#039;t win but wish they could, and some think the US can&#039;t win and are glad that they can&#039;t.  We can all find examples of Iraqis to support our own viewpoints.

The problem is that Iraqis who want us to win and still actually think we&#039;ve got a shot are discouraged by Sen. Reid&#039;s comments.  Not all Iraqis fit into this category, but there are enough of them to matter.  Sen. Reid is encouraging those Iraqis who might help us out not to.

I&#039;m certain that this isn&#039;t Harry&#039;s intention--he probably thinks he&#039;s doing the right thing.  However, Harry Reid&#039;s noble motives don&#039;t matter; friendly Iraqis being told by powerful Americans that we are about to abandon them does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deshawn:</p>
<p>Some Iraqis think the US can win and would like it to, some think the US can win but would rather it didn&#8217;t, some think the US can&#8217;t win but wish they could, and some think the US can&#8217;t win and are glad that they can&#8217;t.  We can all find examples of Iraqis to support our own viewpoints.</p>
<p>The problem is that Iraqis who want us to win and still actually think we&#8217;ve got a shot are discouraged by Sen. Reid&#8217;s comments.  Not all Iraqis fit into this category, but there are enough of them to matter.  Sen. Reid is encouraging those Iraqis who might help us out not to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certain that this isn&#8217;t Harry&#8217;s intention&#8211;he probably thinks he&#8217;s doing the right thing.  However, Harry Reid&#8217;s noble motives don&#8217;t matter; friendly Iraqis being told by powerful Americans that we are about to abandon them does.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But, you said &quot;Do you think that ordinary Iraqis are so stupid that they can&#039;t see that the war is unwinnable by the U.S.?&quot;.
So, by your thinking, Omar and Mohammed there are &quot;stupid&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, you said &#8220;Do you think that ordinary Iraqis are so stupid that they can&#8217;t see that the war is unwinnable by the U.S.?&#8221;.<br />
So, by your thinking, Omar and Mohammed there are &#8220;stupid&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Deshawn Q. Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deshawn Q. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“Seems to”, but, in your mind, her “view” seems more “plausible” to you than his?&lt;/i&gt;

I make no claim as to which is more plausible than the other. I&#039;m merely pointing out that there is more than one view coming out of Iraq, and there is no a-priori reason to think one of them as more plausible than the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Seems to”, but, in your mind, her “view” seems more “plausible” to you than his?</i></p>
<p>I make no claim as to which is more plausible than the other. I&#8217;m merely pointing out that there is more than one view coming out of Iraq, and there is no a-priori reason to think one of them as more plausible than the other.</p>
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