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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19722</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, stumbley.  As I said, TC(to requote a phrase which you so blithely dismissed)  I can give you 900+ similar quotes from Qur&#039;an and thousands from Hadiths.  And as I tell everyone who read my words or listen to them, don&#039;t take my word for it; read them for yourselves.  Ascertain for yourselves whether I speak truly or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, stumbley.  As I said, TC(to requote a phrase which you so blithely dismissed)  I can give you 900+ similar quotes from Qur&#8217;an and thousands from Hadiths.  And as I tell everyone who read my words or listen to them, don&#8217;t take my word for it; read them for yourselves.  Ascertain for yourselves whether I speak truly or not.</p>
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		By: stumbley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stumbley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Frankly, stumbley - I really couldn&#039;t care less.&quot;

That&#039;s been clear for quite a while now.

And, interestingly, in that whole long post you still didn&#039;t provide any evidence of the hateful language of the Jews (aside from an insubstantiated anecdote). Yet, Lee was pretty quick to provide texts from the Q&#039;uran to demonstrate the incontrovertible evidence of its insistence on &quot;world domination.&quot; When the immutable text of a religion followed by a billion people is filled with admonitions to kill unbelievers, it&#039;s a little disingenuous to claim that there&#039;s &quot;no evil intent&quot; in the text—or the religion itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Frankly, stumbley &#8211; I really couldn&#8217;t care less.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s been clear for quite a while now.</p>
<p>And, interestingly, in that whole long post you still didn&#8217;t provide any evidence of the hateful language of the Jews (aside from an insubstantiated anecdote). Yet, Lee was pretty quick to provide texts from the Q&#8217;uran to demonstrate the incontrovertible evidence of its insistence on &#8220;world domination.&#8221; When the immutable text of a religion followed by a billion people is filled with admonitions to kill unbelievers, it&#8217;s a little disingenuous to claim that there&#8217;s &#8220;no evil intent&#8221; in the text—or the religion itself.</p>
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		By: TC		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19720</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Carter&#039;s distortions and outright fabrications have been documented clearly elsewhere, and I don&#039;t feel it necessary to belabor this point.&quot;

Maybe you don&#039;t - but I&#039;m not familiar with the critic that you site - although I am familiar with the attack on Carter - baseless, ignorant and irrlevant to the major claims in his book i.e Israel is an aparthied state in violation of international law and the will of the international community.

Facts - if you wish to dispute them I&#039;m ready to listen. 

But if I were to point out parts of the both the Torah or Talmud or the Old Testament that portrayed Jews as a vicious tribe intolerant of others and bent on world domination under the guise of God&#039;s chosen people- you would say I was a raging anti-semite(incidently though not my vocation -contrary to what some windbags would love to believe - I did read a facinating exchange between a pro-Israel zealot talking about Islam like you are with Patrick Cockburn.  The facinating thing was the jewish guy who interjected to provide lengthy  quotes from the very holy books I mention; all demonstrating some decidely unsavory descriptions of jews and their relationships to gentiles.  A self-hating jew I guess(I&#039;m always wonder why I never hear the term self-hating Muslim).

Anyway I&#039;ll see if I can find it, if you really care.

Frankly, stumbley - I really couldn&#039;t care less.

But you should be aware that you really are no better - certainly no better - than the david dukes or european neo-nazis who &#039;claim&#039; to offer concrete evidence of &#039;evil&#039; intent in religous texts as a way of slandering a people.

You really should.  And I can&#039;t put it any simpler than that.

And I won&#039;t....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Carter&#8217;s distortions and outright fabrications have been documented clearly elsewhere, and I don&#8217;t feel it necessary to belabor this point.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t &#8211; but I&#8217;m not familiar with the critic that you site &#8211; although I am familiar with the attack on Carter &#8211; baseless, ignorant and irrlevant to the major claims in his book i.e Israel is an aparthied state in violation of international law and the will of the international community.</p>
<p>Facts &#8211; if you wish to dispute them I&#8217;m ready to listen. </p>
<p>But if I were to point out parts of the both the Torah or Talmud or the Old Testament that portrayed Jews as a vicious tribe intolerant of others and bent on world domination under the guise of God&#8217;s chosen people- you would say I was a raging anti-semite(incidently though not my vocation -contrary to what some windbags would love to believe &#8211; I did read a facinating exchange between a pro-Israel zealot talking about Islam like you are with Patrick Cockburn.  The facinating thing was the jewish guy who interjected to provide lengthy  quotes from the very holy books I mention; all demonstrating some decidely unsavory descriptions of jews and their relationships to gentiles.  A self-hating jew I guess(I&#8217;m always wonder why I never hear the term self-hating Muslim).</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;ll see if I can find it, if you really care.</p>
<p>Frankly, stumbley &#8211; I really couldn&#8217;t care less.</p>
<p>But you should be aware that you really are no better &#8211; certainly no better &#8211; than the david dukes or european neo-nazis who &#8216;claim&#8217; to offer concrete evidence of &#8216;evil&#8217; intent in religous texts as a way of slandering a people.</p>
<p>You really should.  And I can&#8217;t put it any simpler than that.</p>
<p>And I won&#8217;t&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TC, stumbley read YOUR article.  Now, ANSWER HIS QUESTION!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TC, stumbley read YOUR article.  Now, ANSWER HIS QUESTION!</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19718</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;World jewry&quot;?  How deep a hole you going to continue to dig yourself into, NAZI BOY(TC)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;World jewry&#8221;?  How deep a hole you going to continue to dig yourself into, NAZI BOY(TC)?</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19717</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t rely on the talking points memos of the Islamic apologists, READ the Qur&#039;an and hadith for yourselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t rely on the talking points memos of the Islamic apologists, READ the Qur&#8217;an and hadith for yourselves.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19716</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TC, can you, really?  I challenge you.  Bring it!  The Torah is not just a book of spirituality, it is a history book of the Jewish(Hebrew) people as well.  While there are many violent periods described(some actually commanded by Yahweh), the only example I am specifically instructed to follow in the TorahGospelEpistles is that of Jesus(Yeshoua).  Yet the Qur&#039;an and hadith say over and over that the best muslims follow the sunnah(example) of the prophet(may he rest in pieces).  And those &quot;holy&quot; books describe Muhammed as a murderer, a thief, a sexual liberrtine, a pedophile, a terrorist, and a tyrant.  Some Example(and I might say, these are KIND descriptions of him).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TC, can you, really?  I challenge you.  Bring it!  The Torah is not just a book of spirituality, it is a history book of the Jewish(Hebrew) people as well.  While there are many violent periods described(some actually commanded by Yahweh), the only example I am specifically instructed to follow in the TorahGospelEpistles is that of Jesus(Yeshoua).  Yet the Qur&#8217;an and hadith say over and over that the best muslims follow the sunnah(example) of the prophet(may he rest in pieces).  And those &#8220;holy&#8221; books describe Muhammed as a murderer, a thief, a sexual liberrtine, a pedophile, a terrorist, and a tyrant.  Some Example(and I might say, these are KIND descriptions of him).</p>
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		By: TC		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19715</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hold on to your saddle there Sally.

I don&#039;t espouse the view that I offered - I offered it as an example of stereotype and bigotry as a counter to stumbley&#039;s &#039;question&#039;.

I don&#039;t believe that about Jews and I don&#039;t believe Islam is a death cult, either.

But if I wanted to I could single out portions of the torah to make a claim that I know isn&#039;t representative of world jewry - just like taking parts of the Koran isn&#039;t going to tell you anything about Islam.

You lot should really think about what I saying carefully...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on to your saddle there Sally.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t espouse the view that I offered &#8211; I offered it as an example of stereotype and bigotry as a counter to stumbley&#8217;s &#8216;question&#8217;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that about Jews and I don&#8217;t believe Islam is a death cult, either.</p>
<p>But if I wanted to I could single out portions of the torah to make a claim that I know isn&#8217;t representative of world jewry &#8211; just like taking parts of the Koran isn&#8217;t going to tell you anything about Islam.</p>
<p>You lot should really think about what I saying carefully&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19714</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Jews consider themselves the master race and consider all other ethnic/religous groups as inferior - and ultimately subordinates in a plot for world domination.&lt;/i&gt;

Thus we see how neo-Marxists and neo-nazis are siblings in both hate and lunacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jews consider themselves the master race and consider all other ethnic/religous groups as inferior &#8211; and ultimately subordinates in a plot for world domination.</i></p>
<p>Thus we see how neo-Marxists and neo-nazis are siblings in both hate and lunacy.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/02/08/hating-those-dreadful-neocons-part-i/#comment-19713</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CLAP-CLAP-CLAP!(standing ovation for Ariel).  Don&#039;t worry, folks. TC has exposed himself by reference to his zmag(z for zionist).  Eventually, he will realize he is not winning over any brownshirt converts here, and he will become another drive-by nazi like Ronald Branch. &quot;Give a fool enough rope, and he will eventually hang himself.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLAP-CLAP-CLAP!(standing ovation for Ariel).  Don&#8217;t worry, folks. TC has exposed himself by reference to his zmag(z for zionist).  Eventually, he will realize he is not winning over any brownshirt converts here, and he will become another drive-by nazi like Ronald Branch. &#8220;Give a fool enough rope, and he will eventually hang himself.&#8221;</p>
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