Comments on: The surge and the Sadrists and the Sunnis (and the AP) https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/ A blog about political change, among other things Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:17:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Ymar https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20852 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:15:06 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20852 Last I heard only about 6 Republicans had come out against the plan. So who else could you have been referring to?

This is like a no brainer. Who else would then mean the six Republicans and the Democrats.

Maybe this will help alleviate your cynicism: not only Democrats are opposing the surge.

Oh I get it. Unk sees Neo as being cynical and ignorant. This means Unk can know that there are six Rethuglicans, but obviously Neo must be in the dark just because Unk thinks so. He thinks, therefore he is correct, right?

]]> By: Ymar https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20851 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:12:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20851 So who else could you have been referring to?

You’re the puppet, you tell us what the puppet master was refering to.

But I knew that wouldn’t make a difference – anyone who opposes any Bush plan is obviously irrelevant to this bunch.
The Unknown Blogger | Homepage | 01.22.07 – 1:16 pm | #

You are, yes. The only real people who oppose Bush or his plans are people like me. People like you don’t oppose anyone really, you just go into that self-aggrandizement business.
You can’t just say “the surge won’t work” without

Course they can, and they love it, and we know it.

They can because they don’t oppose people, they are just there for themselves and that is about it. If they decide it is bad, it is bad. If they decide it is good, it is good. Bar nothing.

]]> By: stumbley https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20850 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:00:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20850 “anyone who opposes any Bush plan is obviously irrelevant to this bunch.”

No, that’s not the point. I have my doubts about “the surge”, but not because I don’t think it will work—it’ll work, but only if the ROE are changed to allow decisive action against ALL the death squads and militias, as well as Al-Sadr himself.

What most of the posters here object to is the opposition to Bush plans with NO appreciable alternative introduced. You can’t just say “the surge won’t work” without saying “because” or “this is what I would do”. So far, the Democrats have put forth no reasonable alternate plan for success in Iraq. (Deployment to Guam is not reasonable—it’s insane.)

]]> By: The Unknown Blogger https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20831 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:11:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20831 neo: See anything about it only being Democrats?

It’s amazing to me the facility with which you find ways to avoid the point.

“Many in Congress” are opposing the plan because they are either out to “Get re-elected” or “get Bush.”

Last I heard only about 6 Republicans had come out against the plan. So who else could you have been referring to?

The point was that there might be other reasons for opposing his plan – advice from a former commander of CENTCOM – can it be discounted so easily simply because he is retired?

But I knew that wouldn’t make a difference – anyone who opposes any Bush plan is obviously irrelevant to this bunch.

]]> By: jgr https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20849 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:49:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20849 The more I see of his critics and “their” ideas, the saner GW Bush looks.

As with most Americans, my brother-in- law put it well:
‘the Democrats may be in power for now, but I’m still waiting to hear what plausible ideas THEY have. I haven’t heard any from them for years.’

]]> By: Charles Frith https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20848 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:22:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20848 I’m surprised that people don’t know the new terms of the foolishly coined ‘war on terror’ The people killing indiscriminately in Iraq can afford to melt back into the population and reemerge to cause a ‘terror on war’ because these my dear people, are the new rules. Silly really….. declaring a war on terror that is…. Terror on terror seems more appropriate.

]]> By: Terrye https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20830 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:21:25 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20830 It wasn’t so long ago that Bush’s critics dragged out a bunch of Generals who said the problem was there were not enough troops in Iraq.

Whatever works. If being hawk gets them elected, they are hawks, if doing an about face gets them elected they turn pacifists. Some of these folks have all the principles of a high class call girl.

Or less.

So now comes the non binding resolution, which is a lot like saying keep up the good work to the terrorists, yes, keep killing our soldiers and you shall be rewarded. Just ask the US Senate.

]]> By: Jimmy Carter https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20847 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:05:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20847 It takes time to stabilize a perpetually unstable artificial country like Iraq. It will take generations, in fact.

Since the US will lose interest in Iraq long before 50 more years passes, they might start thinking about how to convert “the long war” into a short, dirty, but definitive war.

Hint: Iran first, then the Wahabi.

]]> By: Ymar https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20846 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:08:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20846
Those men and women are keeping the faith and working the problem. Why can’t we do as much?
Jimmy J. | 01.20.07 – 1:30 am | #

Because they are victims, and victims need protecting. Arming the victims with the tools and weapons to protect themselves is morally impure. Therefore, their opinion doesn’t matter.

They want to bring the troops home. They. As in, their views matter, nobody else’s.

]]> By: strcpy https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/19/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap/#comment-20832 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:15:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/2007/01/surge-and-sadrists-and-sunnis-and-ap.html#comment-20832 “However, there are some ‘pulling out’ surge critics who say their objective is to win (Biden).”

The problem with that belief is that it is so terrible one has to wonder why? Does the individual actually believe what they are saying or are they just covering their political butt?

I’m sure some believe that, some believe a economic “theory” I heard a congressman recently state called “trickle up theory” (that increasing the minimum wage will flush the economy with cash and spending power making the dollar worth more than ever – economies flush with cash in that way experience something called “inflation” and it isn’t considered good, they always have, always will, and a basic education in economics will show that).

If they really and truly believe that the path to victory (and they want victory defined the same as the rest of the world) is to quit fighting then they do not deserve to be in the position they are in.

Rather, I suspect that his definition of “victory” is one that most of us will not agree with. Possibly “stable at any cost” (an Al Qaida controlled sharia law system fills that role just fine) or no US troop casualties. That is, it is just double speak to get reasonable people to support an idea they would otherwise find unreasonable. Kinda like someone who thinks it is OK to lie if they cross their fingers – no one really think that they just use it as an excuse.

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