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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/15/cat-and-mouse-jihadis-and-surge-they/#comment-20503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He just can&#039;t help himself, can he, poor anon? It would be funnier if it weren&#039;t also a bit sad -- like a permanent sophomore who&#039;s just discovered the world of academic papers, he now thinks he alone reads such things. But the evidence he&#039;s presented here indicates that he either doesn&#039;t understand what he&#039;s reading, or deliberately distorts its import, or -- always a possibility -- hasn&#039;t read them himself, but believes that their mere citation should work magic in debate. The last possibility is especially comic and ironic, given his drama-queen pleading: &quot;Please, in all seriousness and honesty, just read a few of these. What could it possibly hurt?&quot; So maybe you should, anon, maybe you should.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He just can&#8217;t help himself, can he, poor anon? It would be funnier if it weren&#8217;t also a bit sad &#8212; like a permanent sophomore who&#8217;s just discovered the world of academic papers, he now thinks he alone reads such things. But the evidence he&#8217;s presented here indicates that he either doesn&#8217;t understand what he&#8217;s reading, or deliberately distorts its import, or &#8212; always a possibility &#8212; hasn&#8217;t read them himself, but believes that their mere citation should work magic in debate. The last possibility is especially comic and ironic, given his drama-queen pleading: &#8220;Please, in all seriousness and honesty, just read a few of these. What could it possibly hurt?&#8221; So maybe you should, anon, maybe you should.</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know I said I was done with this thread, but I really can&#039;t help but point out that Sally&#039;s response to &lt;em&gt;my suggestion that she read a few articles&lt;/em&gt; was, essentially, to yell &quot;No!  I can&#039;t hear you, lalalalala!&quot;

Honestly, how much could it hurt to read?  Just &lt;em&gt;read something other than a blog for a change&lt;/em&gt;.  Is that the end of the world?  Is the suggestion of &lt;em&gt;reading&lt;/em&gt; so heinous, the idea of learning new information so terrible? 

Please, in all seriousness and honesty, just read a few of these.  What could it possibly hurt?  What do you possibly hope to gain by refusing to read them?  I know it&#039;s easier to make fun of me and suggest that I haven&#039;t read them, that all I&#039;ve done is skim them, that they&#039;re from a class reading list, etc etc etc, but all that isn&#039;t particularly insulting to me when I have read them and you are refusing to read them.  If you want to insult, I recommend finding a different avenue.    

Ok, now I am done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I said I was done with this thread, but I really can&#8217;t help but point out that Sally&#8217;s response to <em>my suggestion that she read a few articles</em> was, essentially, to yell &#8220;No!  I can&#8217;t hear you, lalalalala!&#8221;</p>
<p>Honestly, how much could it hurt to read?  Just <em>read something other than a blog for a change</em>.  Is that the end of the world?  Is the suggestion of <em>reading</em> so heinous, the idea of learning new information so terrible? </p>
<p>Please, in all seriousness and honesty, just read a few of these.  What could it possibly hurt?  What do you possibly hope to gain by refusing to read them?  I know it&#8217;s easier to make fun of me and suggest that I haven&#8217;t read them, that all I&#8217;ve done is skim them, that they&#8217;re from a class reading list, etc etc etc, but all that isn&#8217;t particularly insulting to me when I have read them and you are refusing to read them.  If you want to insult, I recommend finding a different avenue.    </p>
<p>Ok, now I am done.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/15/cat-and-mouse-jihadis-and-surge-they/#comment-20501</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, anon, you just sound as though you&#039;re class mates. Course reading lists are fine, and thanks for listing yours, but you still have to learn how to a) actually understand what you&#039;re reading or skimming, and b) &lt;i&gt;apply&lt;/i&gt; what you&#039;re reading to a particular topic or issue. Good luck with that, and don&#039;t be a stranger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, anon, you just sound as though you&#8217;re class mates. Course reading lists are fine, and thanks for listing yours, but you still have to learn how to a) actually understand what you&#8217;re reading or skimming, and b) <i>apply</i> what you&#8217;re reading to a particular topic or issue. Good luck with that, and don&#8217;t be a stranger.</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ooops, forgot one really important one: John Mueller&#039;s &quot;The Banality of Ethnic War,&quot; which you can find here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=4&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fpsweb.sbs.ohio-state.edu%2Ffaculty%2Fjmueller%2Fapsa2000.pdf&amp;ei=h4ivRY98j4KrAtCwjPwP&amp;usg=__lQfey3JywU4wqvq5P88ifa9np8w=&amp;sig2=Q3DWjQNwATyHjgPVArGl3g]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, forgot one really important one: John Mueller&#8217;s &#8220;The Banality of Ethnic War,&#8221; which you can find here: <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#038;ct=res&#038;cd=4&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fpsweb.sbs.ohio-state.edu%2Ffaculty%2Fjmueller%2Fapsa2000.pdf&#038;ei=h4ivRY98j4KrAtCwjPwP&#038;usg=__lQfey3JywU4wqvq5P88ifa9np8w=&#038;sig2=Q3DWjQNwATyHjgPVArGl3g" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#038;ct=res&#038;cd=4&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fpsweb.sbs.ohio-state.edu%2Ffaculty%2Fjmueller%2Fapsa2000.pdf&#038;ei=h4ivRY98j4KrAtCwjPwP&#038;usg=__lQfey3JywU4wqvq5P88ifa9np8w=&#038;sig2=Q3DWjQNwATyHjgPVArGl3g</a></p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/15/cat-and-mouse-jihadis-and-surge-they/#comment-20499</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Sally,

I believe there has been some confusion.  I go by &lt;em&gt;Anon&lt;/em&gt;, while another commenter goes by &lt;em&gt;Anonymous&lt;/em&gt;.  I can easily see how the mix-up might have been made, especially coming from someone who already has a tendency to lump everyone who disagrees with her into one giant, monolithic Enemy.

But, I digress.  I&#039;m going to stop talking in this thread, but before I leave, I&#039;d like to recommend a few articles.  These articles, which may at first appear to have nothing to do with each other, are really all about &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; organized violence occurs, and why it is decreasingly happening at the state level and increasingly happening at the sub-state level, especially in the Third World.  It might not be immediately obvious what relevance they have for Iraq, but I imagine that if you read them, you&#039;ll understand.

-Stephen Van Evera, &quot;Offense, Defense and the Cause of War,&quot; International Security, Vol. 22, No. 4 (Spring 1998)

-Chris Hedges, War is a Force that Gives us Meaning (New York: Anchor, 2002) (esp. ch. 2, &quot;The Plague of Nationalism&quot; and ch. 3, &quot;The Destruction of Culture&quot;)

-J. Fearon and D. Laitin, &quot;Ethnicity, Insurgency and Civil War,&quot; American Political Science Review Vol. 97, No. 1 (February 2003)

-Mohammad Ayoob, &quot;State Making, State Breaking and State Failure,&quot; in Chester Crocker, Fen Hampson, and Pamela Aall, eds., Managing Global Chaos (Washington, DC: USIP, 1996)

-Deborah Avant, &quot;The Implications of Marketized Security for IR Theory: the Democratic Peace, Late State Building and the Nature and Frequency of Conflict,&quot; Perspectives on Politics, Vol. 4, No. 3 (2006)

-Azar Gat, &quot;The Democratic Peace Theory Reframed: the Impact of Modernity,&quot; World Politics Vol. 58, No. 1 (October 2005)

-David Laitin and James Fearon, &quot;Neotrusteeship and the Problem of Weak States,&quot; International Security Vol. 28, No. 4 (spring 2004)

Well, I guess that&#039;s more than I remembered, but I highly recommend that you (or anyone here) read these.  Beats, you know, getting information about Iraq from a psychiatric professional with no IR, foreign affairs, or Middle Eastern studies background.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sally,</p>
<p>I believe there has been some confusion.  I go by <em>Anon</em>, while another commenter goes by <em>Anonymous</em>.  I can easily see how the mix-up might have been made, especially coming from someone who already has a tendency to lump everyone who disagrees with her into one giant, monolithic Enemy.</p>
<p>But, I digress.  I&#8217;m going to stop talking in this thread, but before I leave, I&#8217;d like to recommend a few articles.  These articles, which may at first appear to have nothing to do with each other, are really all about <em>why</em> organized violence occurs, and why it is decreasingly happening at the state level and increasingly happening at the sub-state level, especially in the Third World.  It might not be immediately obvious what relevance they have for Iraq, but I imagine that if you read them, you&#8217;ll understand.</p>
<p>-Stephen Van Evera, &#8220;Offense, Defense and the Cause of War,&#8221; International Security, Vol. 22, No. 4 (Spring 1998)</p>
<p>-Chris Hedges, War is a Force that Gives us Meaning (New York: Anchor, 2002) (esp. ch. 2, &#8220;The Plague of Nationalism&#8221; and ch. 3, &#8220;The Destruction of Culture&#8221;)</p>
<p>-J. Fearon and D. Laitin, &#8220;Ethnicity, Insurgency and Civil War,&#8221; American Political Science Review Vol. 97, No. 1 (February 2003)</p>
<p>-Mohammad Ayoob, &#8220;State Making, State Breaking and State Failure,&#8221; in Chester Crocker, Fen Hampson, and Pamela Aall, eds., Managing Global Chaos (Washington, DC: USIP, 1996)</p>
<p>-Deborah Avant, &#8220;The Implications of Marketized Security for IR Theory: the Democratic Peace, Late State Building and the Nature and Frequency of Conflict,&#8221; Perspectives on Politics, Vol. 4, No. 3 (2006)</p>
<p>-Azar Gat, &#8220;The Democratic Peace Theory Reframed: the Impact of Modernity,&#8221; World Politics Vol. 58, No. 1 (October 2005)</p>
<p>-David Laitin and James Fearon, &#8220;Neotrusteeship and the Problem of Weak States,&#8221; International Security Vol. 28, No. 4 (spring 2004)</p>
<p>Well, I guess that&#8217;s more than I remembered, but I highly recommend that you (or anyone here) read these.  Beats, you know, getting information about Iraq from a psychiatric professional with no IR, foreign affairs, or Middle Eastern studies background.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/15/cat-and-mouse-jihadis-and-surge-they/#comment-20498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There goes Sally again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There goes Sally again.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2007/01/15/cat-and-mouse-jihadis-and-surge-they/#comment-20497</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Buh-bye, anon. Catch that class, but by all means come back when you can think of something else to say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buh-bye, anon. Catch that class, but by all means come back when you can think of something else to say.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I threw I dunno how many hours and links at this crowd before concluding that most have too much invested in the personas fronted by their damn pseudonyms. There&#039;s always a chance you&#039;ll reach the person behind the persona, but if you did you&#039;d never find out. You&#039;ll never satisfy your curiosity about the &quot;other,&quot; the American conservative, because you can only fence with absurd blowhard caricatures.

Ultimately, the person to blame is Neo-neocon, who sets the example by making violent, sweeping generalizations about the &quot;left.&quot; What&#039;s vexing is that she should know better -- her mind is subtle -- but she doesn&#039;t and there you have it.

I do have to split for a lecture now (lol), so I&#039;ll just wrap by again appealing to you to channel your energies towards booting these bastards from power rather than indulging your curiosity or trying to engage them in a meaningful conversation. Most of the liberals in the world can only wring their hands and watch; you&#039;re an American, you can can actually step out there and help turf this godawful administration. Please consider it.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I threw I dunno how many hours and links at this crowd before concluding that most have too much invested in the personas fronted by their damn pseudonyms. There&#8217;s always a chance you&#8217;ll reach the person behind the persona, but if you did you&#8217;d never find out. You&#8217;ll never satisfy your curiosity about the &#8220;other,&#8221; the American conservative, because you can only fence with absurd blowhard caricatures.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the person to blame is Neo-neocon, who sets the example by making violent, sweeping generalizations about the &#8220;left.&#8221; What&#8217;s vexing is that she should know better &#8212; her mind is subtle &#8212; but she doesn&#8217;t and there you have it.</p>
<p>I do have to split for a lecture now (lol), so I&#8217;ll just wrap by again appealing to you to channel your energies towards booting these bastards from power rather than indulging your curiosity or trying to engage them in a meaningful conversation. Most of the liberals in the world can only wring their hands and watch; you&#8217;re an American, you can can actually step out there and help turf this godawful administration. Please consider it.</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you read it?  Did you &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; read it, or did you just skim it?  Read the intro and conclusion?   Come on, you can tell the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read it?  Did you <em>really</em> read it, or did you just skim it?  Read the intro and conclusion?   Come on, you can tell the truth.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anon continues his relentless display of incomprehension -- I&#039;ve read the article, and commented on its general irrelevance to the topic under discussion already. Whether he&#039;s a kid or not, I neither know nor care -- the simple point is that he&#039;s pretending to a knowledge he demonstrably doesn&#039;t have, and thinks that throwing out further irrelevant &quot;reading lists&quot; will get him off that hook. It&#039;s what a kid would do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon continues his relentless display of incomprehension &#8212; I&#8217;ve read the article, and commented on its general irrelevance to the topic under discussion already. Whether he&#8217;s a kid or not, I neither know nor care &#8212; the simple point is that he&#8217;s pretending to a knowledge he demonstrably doesn&#8217;t have, and thinks that throwing out further irrelevant &#8220;reading lists&#8221; will get him off that hook. It&#8217;s what a kid would do.</p>
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