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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/12/11/definition-of-success-in-war-part-i/#comment-22906</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;How can the average American voter be expected to accept the responsibility of our role in the world and the long, hard slog in Iraq, if Bush refuses to acknowledge his mistakes as a war-time leader to the American people?&lt;/I&gt;

The anti-war crowd engages in constant orgies of breast beating so it is only natural that they question it when others do not, as with the rather plaintive question above. Furthermore, I suspect a simple acknowledgement of mistakes would never be enough for the anti-war crowd. What they really desire is a wallowing in manufactured guilt.

But the simple answer is that while ALL wars involve mistakes it is not very leader-like to dwell on them. Did Roosevelt acknowledge his mistakes? Did Truman? Lincoln? Perhaps later, in memoirs for some, but a true leader rarely beats his breast in public.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How can the average American voter be expected to accept the responsibility of our role in the world and the long, hard slog in Iraq, if Bush refuses to acknowledge his mistakes as a war-time leader to the American people?</i></p>
<p>The anti-war crowd engages in constant orgies of breast beating so it is only natural that they question it when others do not, as with the rather plaintive question above. Furthermore, I suspect a simple acknowledgement of mistakes would never be enough for the anti-war crowd. What they really desire is a wallowing in manufactured guilt.</p>
<p>But the simple answer is that while ALL wars involve mistakes it is not very leader-like to dwell on them. Did Roosevelt acknowledge his mistakes? Did Truman? Lincoln? Perhaps later, in memoirs for some, but a true leader rarely beats his breast in public.<br />
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/12/11/definition-of-success-in-war-part-i/#comment-22905</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Nobody has answered me as to how the situation in Iraq is improving.&lt;/I&gt;

Underlying assumption: That the US must “improve” things in Iraq. 

So far the US has toppled a despot, killed a bunch of terrorists and has suffered low casualties while doing so. I find it difficult to improve on such a positive scenario – kill even more terrorists while suffering NO casualties, perhaps? 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nobody has answered me as to how the situation in Iraq is improving.</i></p>
<p>Underlying assumption: That the US must “improve” things in Iraq. </p>
<p>So far the US has toppled a despot, killed a bunch of terrorists and has suffered low casualties while doing so. I find it difficult to improve on such a positive scenario – kill even more terrorists while suffering NO casualties, perhaps? </p>
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		By: george hoffman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But I don&#039;t think he (President Bush) prepared the American people for what the Iraq War would entail.&quot;

Are you admitting or perhaps finally entertaining the possiblity that as the chief executive and commander-in-chief, he has failed to provide the leadership to win the war? He likes to make historical allusions to President Harry Truman, who also prosecuted an unpopular war and had low approval ratings at the end of his term, as comparable to his current predicament.
But as I remember, President Truman also had a plaque on his desk in the oval office that stated: &quot;The buck stops here.&quot; 
How can the average American voter be expected to accept the responsibility of our role in the world and the long, harg slog in Iraq, if Bush refuses to acknowledge his mistakes as a war-time leader to the American people?
  
Also, we are losing the war in Afghanistan due to the appeasement of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. Last September the Pakistan government officals signed a peace treaty with the Taliban insurgents in North Waziristan in which the Taliban agreed to stop cross-border incursions into Afghanistan to aid Taliban fighting against American and NATO forces. Despite the peace treaty, Taliban insurgents in North Waziristan continue to cross the border, sending over suicide bombers trained by former Pakistani generals, into Afghanistan. President Musharraf now terms the dire situation in North Waziristan as a creeping Talbanization in his country.
Why hasn&#039;t President Bush addressed this problem in the war on terror? After all, he continues to call Musharraf a great ally in the war on terror. But Musharraf seems to be the Pakistani version of Neville Chamberlain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I don&#8217;t think he (President Bush) prepared the American people for what the Iraq War would entail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you admitting or perhaps finally entertaining the possiblity that as the chief executive and commander-in-chief, he has failed to provide the leadership to win the war? He likes to make historical allusions to President Harry Truman, who also prosecuted an unpopular war and had low approval ratings at the end of his term, as comparable to his current predicament.<br />
But as I remember, President Truman also had a plaque on his desk in the oval office that stated: &#8220;The buck stops here.&#8221;<br />
How can the average American voter be expected to accept the responsibility of our role in the world and the long, harg slog in Iraq, if Bush refuses to acknowledge his mistakes as a war-time leader to the American people?</p>
<p>Also, we are losing the war in Afghanistan due to the appeasement of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. Last September the Pakistan government officals signed a peace treaty with the Taliban insurgents in North Waziristan in which the Taliban agreed to stop cross-border incursions into Afghanistan to aid Taliban fighting against American and NATO forces. Despite the peace treaty, Taliban insurgents in North Waziristan continue to cross the border, sending over suicide bombers trained by former Pakistani generals, into Afghanistan. President Musharraf now terms the dire situation in North Waziristan as a creeping Talbanization in his country.<br />
Why hasn&#8217;t President Bush addressed this problem in the war on terror? After all, he continues to call Musharraf a great ally in the war on terror. But Musharraf seems to be the Pakistani version of Neville Chamberlain.</p>
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		By: grackle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/12/11/definition-of-success-in-war-part-i/#comment-22903</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Here, Mr. Bush&#039;s administration continues to fail to explain what is at stake.&lt;/I&gt; 

The commentor here blames Bush. I see this all the time and I wonder: Do these folks who keep wanting Bush to “explain” ever watch television? The President has been ‘explaining’ for years and years at the top of his voice. He has explained his strategy, his hopes, his tactics and exactly what is at stake ad infinitum but I guess there will always be those who don’t listen, or perhaps hears instead the MSM’s “spin” on Bush’s many, many public pronouncements.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Here, Mr. Bush&#8217;s administration continues to fail to explain what is at stake.</i> </p>
<p>The commentor here blames Bush. I see this all the time and I wonder: Do these folks who keep wanting Bush to “explain” ever watch television? The President has been ‘explaining’ for years and years at the top of his voice. He has explained his strategy, his hopes, his tactics and exactly what is at stake ad infinitum but I guess there will always be those who don’t listen, or perhaps hears instead the MSM’s “spin” on Bush’s many, many public pronouncements.<br />
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		By: Matthew M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The polls about Americans&#039; opinions of the war seem always to be presented in the false dichotomy of approval or disapproval.  I long to see a poll that distinguishes between disapprovers who think the problem is that we are not being aggressive enough and those who object to the war altogether.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polls about Americans&#8217; opinions of the war seem always to be presented in the false dichotomy of approval or disapproval.  I long to see a poll that distinguishes between disapprovers who think the problem is that we are not being aggressive enough and those who object to the war altogether.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should read: associated to Y.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should read: associated to Y.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anonymous: I see that the new style of &#039;debunking&#039; is of the form: &quot;Don&#039;t believe X as he is associated. Your respect for Cole et al(I can&#039;t prove their backers because they are mostly terrorists from countries without transparency in their record keeping)is as suspect to me as my use of Cohen is to you. But I don&#039;t use Cohen as an impartial expert, but simply as a source.You also can&#039;t just disregard Cohen because he is a hawk. You can bring evidence to disagree with him but I&#039;m sure he knows a great deal more than you and I.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous: I see that the new style of &#8216;debunking&#8217; is of the form: &#8220;Don&#8217;t believe X as he is associated. Your respect for Cole et al(I can&#8217;t prove their backers because they are mostly terrorists from countries without transparency in their record keeping)is as suspect to me as my use of Cohen is to you. But I don&#8217;t use Cohen as an impartial expert, but simply as a source.You also can&#8217;t just disregard Cohen because he is a hawk. You can bring evidence to disagree with him but I&#8217;m sure he knows a great deal more than you and I.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eliot Cohen, called by one observer “the most influential neocon in academe,” is a well-known scholar of military affairs based at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), which has served as a base for a number of prominent neoconservatives, including Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and political scientist Francis Fukuyama. Cohen heads SAIS&#039;s Center for Strategic Studies, a program founded in 2003 with a generous grant from Philip Merrill, a minor media mogul who heads the U.S. Ex-Im Bank and serves as an adviser to the hawkish Center for Security Policy. Cohen is famous for his thesis that the war on terror constitutes World War IV, and that the Cold War should really be considered World War III. (5)

Cohen also wrote a prominent essay in the Washington Post which described the Walt and Mearsheimer paper on the Israel Lobby as bearing &quot;all the traditional hallmarks of anti-Semitism: &quot;obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews&quot;, accusations toward Jews of &quot;disloyalty, subversion or treachery, of having occult powers and of participating in secret combinations that manipulate institutions and governments&quot;, as well as selection of &quot;everything unfair, ugly or wrong about Jews as individuals or a group&quot; and equally systematical suppression of &quot;any exculpatory information&quot;.(Wiki).

Hardly the non partisan views that are likely to change too many American minds...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliot Cohen, called by one observer “the most influential neocon in academe,” is a well-known scholar of military affairs based at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), which has served as a base for a number of prominent neoconservatives, including Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and political scientist Francis Fukuyama. Cohen heads SAIS&#8217;s Center for Strategic Studies, a program founded in 2003 with a generous grant from Philip Merrill, a minor media mogul who heads the U.S. Ex-Im Bank and serves as an adviser to the hawkish Center for Security Policy. Cohen is famous for his thesis that the war on terror constitutes World War IV, and that the Cold War should really be considered World War III. (5)</p>
<p>Cohen also wrote a prominent essay in the Washington Post which described the Walt and Mearsheimer paper on the Israel Lobby as bearing &#8220;all the traditional hallmarks of anti-Semitism: &#8220;obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews&#8221;, accusations toward Jews of &#8220;disloyalty, subversion or treachery, of having occult powers and of participating in secret combinations that manipulate institutions and governments&#8221;, as well as selection of &#8220;everything unfair, ugly or wrong about Jews as individuals or a group&#8221; and equally systematical suppression of &#8220;any exculpatory information&#8221;.(Wiki).</p>
<p>Hardly the non partisan views that are likely to change too many American minds&#8230;</p>
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		By: anonymous1		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[anonymous: By &quot;This&quot; war he didn&#039;t mean just the Iraq war. I think he meant the broader War on terror = Ideological war or war of civilizations or war of concept of civiliations]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous: By &#8220;This&#8221; war he didn&#8217;t mean just the Iraq war. I think he meant the broader War on terror = Ideological war or war of civilizations or war of concept of civiliations</p>
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		By: Promethea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anonymous . . .

Assuming that the U.S. had an &quot;empire,&quot; how should the U.S. have kept it? Please advise.]]></description>
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<p>Assuming that the U.S. had an &#8220;empire,&#8221; how should the U.S. have kept it? Please advise.</p>
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