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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24244</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, that&#039;s a bit disappointing. I was looking forward to the Russian pov.

Well, this anonymous commentator is splitting. The conversation&#039;s not exactly rewarding, is it?

If you guys put as much effort into having civil online conversations as you do into shutting them down, this forum could have been interesting. 

Neo-neocon, you write well and could have a better audience. You&#039;re stuck with this combative crowd because you&#039;re working through your envy via a public diary, and trapping yourself inside it, I might add. There&#039;s lots of room to move yet. You might consider forgiving &quot;the left&quot; and expressing some graditude for what they&#039;ve contributed to your life and what they contribute to your country. 

Peace

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, that&#8217;s a bit disappointing. I was looking forward to the Russian pov.</p>
<p>Well, this anonymous commentator is splitting. The conversation&#8217;s not exactly rewarding, is it?</p>
<p>If you guys put as much effort into having civil online conversations as you do into shutting them down, this forum could have been interesting. </p>
<p>Neo-neocon, you write well and could have a better audience. You&#8217;re stuck with this combative crowd because you&#8217;re working through your envy via a public diary, and trapping yourself inside it, I might add. There&#8217;s lots of room to move yet. You might consider forgiving &#8220;the left&#8221; and expressing some graditude for what they&#8217;ve contributed to your life and what they contribute to your country. </p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24243</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zinn, like Chomsky, is one of these usefull idiots, non-repenting Marxists. I never will listen, watch or read anybody who is stipid enough to believe this crap after 100 000 000 people perished in result of implementing these ideologies. It is utterly immoral and distasteful to defend such ideas now. I would propose to ban this activity by law, just as Holocost denial was banned, and its propagandists imprisoned in Europe recently.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zinn, like Chomsky, is one of these usefull idiots, non-repenting Marxists. I never will listen, watch or read anybody who is stipid enough to believe this crap after 100 000 000 people perished in result of implementing these ideologies. It is utterly immoral and distasteful to defend such ideas now. I would propose to ban this activity by law, just as Holocost denial was banned, and its propagandists imprisoned in Europe recently.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24242</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Poor anony. He&#039;s a Canadian, and one of the ones who do as they&#039;re told, but don&#039;t like to think of themselves that way. So they tend to fasten on people that their own state media have told them, repeatedly, are modern day saints, though secular of course. And watching a Howard Zinn video is all it  takes for him -- he simply &lt;i&gt;believes&lt;/i&gt;. Like any other fundamentalist, he can&#039;t understand how anyone could hear the word of a Zinn, or a Chomsky, or a Michael Moore, or even a Nader, and not be a fellow believer. Hence his despair and gnashing of teeth.

Not all Canadians are like him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor anony. He&#8217;s a Canadian, and one of the ones who do as they&#8217;re told, but don&#8217;t like to think of themselves that way. So they tend to fasten on people that their own state media have told them, repeatedly, are modern day saints, though secular of course. And watching a Howard Zinn video is all it  takes for him &#8212; he simply <i>believes</i>. Like any other fundamentalist, he can&#8217;t understand how anyone could hear the word of a Zinn, or a Chomsky, or a Michael Moore, or even a Nader, and not be a fellow believer. Hence his despair and gnashing of teeth.</p>
<p>Not all Canadians are like him.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Arabs indoctrinate their children on the belief that Jews drink their blood and will take out their eyes. The proof that people who talk about the &quot;uses of war&quot; are mistaken is that they are tunnel visioned and aren&#039;t paying attention to the real threats. Demonstrated by their focus on the US, but ignoring everyone else. As if the US is all that matters in terms of world power.&lt;/i&gt;

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!

Just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/24/1442258&quot;&gt;watch the video&lt;/a&gt;, for Christ&#039;s sake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Arabs indoctrinate their children on the belief that Jews drink their blood and will take out their eyes. The proof that people who talk about the &#8220;uses of war&#8221; are mistaken is that they are tunnel visioned and aren&#8217;t paying attention to the real threats. Demonstrated by their focus on the US, but ignoring everyone else. As if the US is all that matters in terms of world power.</i></p>
<p>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!</p>
<p>Just <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/24/1442258">watch the video</a>, for Christ&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		By: justaguy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justaguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sally, when you understand what irony really is, then you may use it. Until then don&#039;t. You just end up sounding childish.

I suggest an Oxford dictionary, the Americans don&#039;t do irony.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally, when you understand what irony really is, then you may use it. Until then don&#8217;t. You just end up sounding childish.</p>
<p>I suggest an Oxford dictionary, the Americans don&#8217;t do irony.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24238</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sally, do you ever contribute to an argument or is it 100% epithets 100% of the time. &lt;/i&gt;

First there has to &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; an argument before anyone can contribute to it, justa. But that said, your assertion about Islam being the new socialism was actually an interesting and entirely plausible thesis -- though not in a way you intended, which is why my quoting it was a distinct &quot;contribution&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sally, do you ever contribute to an argument or is it 100% epithets 100% of the time. </i></p>
<p>First there has to <i>be</i> an argument before anyone can contribute to it, justa. But that said, your assertion about Islam being the new socialism was actually an interesting and entirely plausible thesis &#8212; though not in a way you intended, which is why my quoting it was a distinct &#8220;contribution&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24235</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Arabs indoctrinate their children on the belief that Jews drink their blood and will take out their eyes. Thus creating a fake enemy in order to maintain a vise grip. The proof that people who talk about the &quot;uses of war&quot; are mistaken is that they are tunnel visioned and aren&#039;t paying attention to the real threats. Demonstrated by their focus on the US, but ignoring everyone else. As if the US is all that matters in terms of world power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arabs indoctrinate their children on the belief that Jews drink their blood and will take out their eyes. Thus creating a fake enemy in order to maintain a vise grip. The proof that people who talk about the &#8220;uses of war&#8221; are mistaken is that they are tunnel visioned and aren&#8217;t paying attention to the real threats. Demonstrated by their focus on the US, but ignoring everyone else. As if the US is all that matters in terms of world power.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24189</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What is wrong with American exceptionalism, Anon? It is completely justified.&lt;/i&gt;

Sergey, I know you&#039;re Russian, I&#039;ve read many of your contributions. It goes without saying that Americans have a lot to be proud of and their country is exceptional in many ways. American exceptionalism is a problem when it blinds its advocates and shuts down the discussion. I&#039;d be hard pressed to find a single popular thread in this community where that doesn&#039;t happen. The USA may be exceptional in some ways, but it&#039;s also a lot like other countries. 

If you&#039;re genuinely interested in the problem, please do watch this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/24/1442258&quot;&gt;video&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s an hour long talk by Howard Zinn,  on &quot;The Uses of History and the War on Terrorism.&quot; I linked to it from one of my comments a few days back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is wrong with American exceptionalism, Anon? It is completely justified.</i></p>
<p>Sergey, I know you&#8217;re Russian, I&#8217;ve read many of your contributions. It goes without saying that Americans have a lot to be proud of and their country is exceptional in many ways. American exceptionalism is a problem when it blinds its advocates and shuts down the discussion. I&#8217;d be hard pressed to find a single popular thread in this community where that doesn&#8217;t happen. The USA may be exceptional in some ways, but it&#8217;s also a lot like other countries. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re genuinely interested in the problem, please do watch this <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/24/1442258">video</a>. It&#8217;s an hour long talk by Howard Zinn,  on &#8220;The Uses of History and the War on Terrorism.&#8221; I linked to it from one of my comments a few days back.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It must drive Neo nuts to have Sergey and me on her blog commenting. Sergey who looks at things in a Russian manner, and I who look at things in an Asian, Sun Tzu-Japanese manner.

Both coming up with more or less the same conclusions.

Kill, Kill, Kill, is the mantra.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must drive Neo nuts to have Sergey and me on her blog commenting. Sergey who looks at things in a Russian manner, and I who look at things in an Asian, Sun Tzu-Japanese manner.</p>
<p>Both coming up with more or less the same conclusions.</p>
<p>Kill, Kill, Kill, is the mantra.</p>
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		By: Ariel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/26/obsession-left-has-theirs-as-well/#comment-24179</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Justa,
Guess you just can&#039;t read can you? Never said anything about socialism, only the unfortunate choice of the word &quot;progressive&quot; because of how the communists used it, a lot.. If you can&#039;t tell the difference between socialism and communism, then you have a real problem dealing with the world as it is. Noticed you skipped a lot of other things like ideology, guess the definition was just too much sophistry too.

You know, you make a lot of things up and then say other people say them. The sophistry, unsubstantiated assumptions, and just plain old lying about other people is all out of your mouth and on your head. A real shame. 

Now you can just spew out nastiness or condescension, doesn&#039;t matter to me. You can twist what I&#039;ve said until it&#039;s just another one of your lies. Makes no difference to me either. People that can read can see what your doing.

By the way, little Susan was a leftist. But then you didn&#039;t know that did you? Because you&#039;re too busy being confused about socialism and communism, and putting words in other people&#039;s mouths so you can prove yourself superior. Hate to tell you, but it doesn&#039;t work that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justa,<br />
Guess you just can&#8217;t read can you? Never said anything about socialism, only the unfortunate choice of the word &#8220;progressive&#8221; because of how the communists used it, a lot.. If you can&#8217;t tell the difference between socialism and communism, then you have a real problem dealing with the world as it is. Noticed you skipped a lot of other things like ideology, guess the definition was just too much sophistry too.</p>
<p>You know, you make a lot of things up and then say other people say them. The sophistry, unsubstantiated assumptions, and just plain old lying about other people is all out of your mouth and on your head. A real shame. </p>
<p>Now you can just spew out nastiness or condescension, doesn&#8217;t matter to me. You can twist what I&#8217;ve said until it&#8217;s just another one of your lies. Makes no difference to me either. People that can read can see what your doing.</p>
<p>By the way, little Susan was a leftist. But then you didn&#8217;t know that did you? Because you&#8217;re too busy being confused about socialism and communism, and putting words in other people&#8217;s mouths so you can prove yourself superior. Hate to tell you, but it doesn&#8217;t work that way.</p>
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