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	Comments on: You heard it here first: Charles Rangel, the draft, and the Hegelian dialectic	</title>
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		By: Kerko		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/20/you-heard-it-here-first-charles-rangel/#comment-24007</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you really think Rangel&#039;s kidding about unleashing the Hegelian Dialectic?

Is Ahmadinejad kidding? Ask yourself?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really think Rangel&#8217;s kidding about unleashing the Hegelian Dialectic?</p>
<p>Is Ahmadinejad kidding? Ask yourself?</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/20/you-heard-it-here-first-charles-rangel/#comment-24006</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do they do this by saying we should be more free and/or powerful? Well, about the same we help the Israelis by threatening to support Palestinian terroists against them and cutting off the aid. It creates an effect. This effect destabilizes the meta concept, and when the meta-concept is destabilized, then the reality changes. These tools always have more than one use, dual use, or manifold uses.

There are ideas and then there are ideas over the ideas. The ideas over the ideas, are the meta-concept. It connects the ideas and rhetoric of a philosophy, into a coherent and consistent whole. So if you listen to the Arabs speak to the West and then listen to them speaking to their jihad folks, you hear different ideas, styles of oration, and rhetoric. It does not mean it is a different philosophy, but the same meta-concept simply expressed through various tentacles of thought and words.

The reason why the US doesn&#039;t say to Israel what Israel needs to hear, is because the US doesn&#039;t understand how to manipulate paradox into crafting reality. The most glib and bureacratic of our government, knows only how to speak in tongues for their own self-aggrandizement and power. When they encounter an ideology that doesn&#039;t believe in personal power so much as a doomsday Final Judgement with a Final Reward in Heaven, their doublespeak is infinitely easier to counter than the jihad&#039;s doublespeak.

The dialectic is used by many people for many different reasons, regardless of what they call it. In point of fact, the dialectic is no longer even the dialectic, because it isn&#039;t a bunch of words written by a philosopher. But the actual mechanical and physical blueprint that human beings have crafted and built. It is what it is because humans are what we are. The principles by which the dialectic work are the same as the principles that humans obey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do they do this by saying we should be more free and/or powerful? Well, about the same we help the Israelis by threatening to support Palestinian terroists against them and cutting off the aid. It creates an effect. This effect destabilizes the meta concept, and when the meta-concept is destabilized, then the reality changes. These tools always have more than one use, dual use, or manifold uses.</p>
<p>There are ideas and then there are ideas over the ideas. The ideas over the ideas, are the meta-concept. It connects the ideas and rhetoric of a philosophy, into a coherent and consistent whole. So if you listen to the Arabs speak to the West and then listen to them speaking to their jihad folks, you hear different ideas, styles of oration, and rhetoric. It does not mean it is a different philosophy, but the same meta-concept simply expressed through various tentacles of thought and words.</p>
<p>The reason why the US doesn&#8217;t say to Israel what Israel needs to hear, is because the US doesn&#8217;t understand how to manipulate paradox into crafting reality. The most glib and bureacratic of our government, knows only how to speak in tongues for their own self-aggrandizement and power. When they encounter an ideology that doesn&#8217;t believe in personal power so much as a doomsday Final Judgement with a Final Reward in Heaven, their doublespeak is infinitely easier to counter than the jihad&#8217;s doublespeak.</p>
<p>The dialectic is used by many people for many different reasons, regardless of what they call it. In point of fact, the dialectic is no longer even the dialectic, because it isn&#8217;t a bunch of words written by a philosopher. But the actual mechanical and physical blueprint that human beings have crafted and built. It is what it is because humans are what we are. The principles by which the dialectic work are the same as the principles that humans obey.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/20/you-heard-it-here-first-charles-rangel/#comment-24005</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I view it as the pendulum system, a simple system. However, its behavior becomes dynamic when you vary the level of initial force, speed, and height. So if Hegel is refering to opposites and how they interact, then it seems to me, it is simply the truism that if you apply the right force in the right direction, you can make a pendulum not only swing to the right, but so far right you hit the left of the pendulum. Therefore one opposite simply becomes the opposite of itself, or the opposite of the opposite of itself.

VDH called it back biting or was it bite back effect. Where you say and act in one way, when in fact the opposite is true and everyone knows it. Venezuella and gestapo police Fox talking about America and our Berlin walls for example.

So what are they trying to do, are they trying to make America into mirror images of themselves? Or are they trying to make themselves into mirror images of America? Rather, it seems the dialectic process of dialogue becomes simply a method to achieve a goal, that goal independent of spectrums or labels.

The dynamic, that being dictators being the underdogs and America being the top dog, is the meta concept that these dictators using dialogue and the State Depos using dialogue, are trying to overturn. If they apply enough force, then they can overthrow the top dog and make themselves into the leaders and power players. The Shah was said to be more brutal and anti-freedom, compared to the pro-freedom Mullahs. Well. That dialectic came out all right, I think. They succeded in the goal that the dialectic sought.

Another practical application of the oratory dialectic, rather than the philosophical theory, is that of Israel. The meta concept is that Israel and Palestine keeps fighting and that they need to stop. The dialectic for the Palis is that Israelis are the terroists and when Israelis kill, more terroists are born. They want the US to stop supporting Israel.

Well, an opposite dialectic that you could use to counter the dynamic paraxism of the Palis is this. Demand that Israel committ themselves to Total War, a war to the knife and finish, or the US will cut off all military, financial, and diplomatic aid to the state of Israel and begin funding the Palestinian territories with US weapons and money. It&#039;s like Amanie saying he wants nuclear power, it is a smoke screen, a bite back effect. By saying the opposite of what he wants, he thinks he can affect a realistic change towards what he really wants. All these dictators talk about the anti-freedom and weakness of the US, in the attempt to say the opposite of the real in order to change the reality. After all, they don&#039;t criticize us because they really want us to be more free or what not. They criticize us because they want us to be less free and powerful. How do they do this by saying we should be more free and/or powerful? Well, about the same we help the Israelis by threatening to support Palestinian terroists against them and cutting]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view it as the pendulum system, a simple system. However, its behavior becomes dynamic when you vary the level of initial force, speed, and height. So if Hegel is refering to opposites and how they interact, then it seems to me, it is simply the truism that if you apply the right force in the right direction, you can make a pendulum not only swing to the right, but so far right you hit the left of the pendulum. Therefore one opposite simply becomes the opposite of itself, or the opposite of the opposite of itself.</p>
<p>VDH called it back biting or was it bite back effect. Where you say and act in one way, when in fact the opposite is true and everyone knows it. Venezuella and gestapo police Fox talking about America and our Berlin walls for example.</p>
<p>So what are they trying to do, are they trying to make America into mirror images of themselves? Or are they trying to make themselves into mirror images of America? Rather, it seems the dialectic process of dialogue becomes simply a method to achieve a goal, that goal independent of spectrums or labels.</p>
<p>The dynamic, that being dictators being the underdogs and America being the top dog, is the meta concept that these dictators using dialogue and the State Depos using dialogue, are trying to overturn. If they apply enough force, then they can overthrow the top dog and make themselves into the leaders and power players. The Shah was said to be more brutal and anti-freedom, compared to the pro-freedom Mullahs. Well. That dialectic came out all right, I think. They succeded in the goal that the dialectic sought.</p>
<p>Another practical application of the oratory dialectic, rather than the philosophical theory, is that of Israel. The meta concept is that Israel and Palestine keeps fighting and that they need to stop. The dialectic for the Palis is that Israelis are the terroists and when Israelis kill, more terroists are born. They want the US to stop supporting Israel.</p>
<p>Well, an opposite dialectic that you could use to counter the dynamic paraxism of the Palis is this. Demand that Israel committ themselves to Total War, a war to the knife and finish, or the US will cut off all military, financial, and diplomatic aid to the state of Israel and begin funding the Palestinian territories with US weapons and money. It&#8217;s like Amanie saying he wants nuclear power, it is a smoke screen, a bite back effect. By saying the opposite of what he wants, he thinks he can affect a realistic change towards what he really wants. All these dictators talk about the anti-freedom and weakness of the US, in the attempt to say the opposite of the real in order to change the reality. After all, they don&#8217;t criticize us because they really want us to be more free or what not. They criticize us because they want us to be less free and powerful. How do they do this by saying we should be more free and/or powerful? Well, about the same we help the Israelis by threatening to support Palestinian terroists against them and cutting</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/20/you-heard-it-here-first-charles-rangel/#comment-24004</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alas, Sally, this theory involves rather advanced mathematics and hardly can be popularized. I can explain the core of it only to fellow mathematician. But the practical conclusions are transparent enough and, to my surprise, support many of Hegel claims, stripping them from their mistical aura and too far-fetched aspirations. The most important conclusion is that a real change of any comlex system, not only of mind, is, indeed, a hard thing to do. But it is possible by clever application of force, patience, knowledge, creativity and will to success.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, Sally, this theory involves rather advanced mathematics and hardly can be popularized. I can explain the core of it only to fellow mathematician. But the practical conclusions are transparent enough and, to my surprise, support many of Hegel claims, stripping them from their mistical aura and too far-fetched aspirations. The most important conclusion is that a real change of any comlex system, not only of mind, is, indeed, a hard thing to do. But it is possible by clever application of force, patience, knowledge, creativity and will to success.</p>
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		By: Sally		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kind of off-topic, Sergey, but I&#039;d be interested in seeing your work relating to dialectic as a general and rigorous (mathematical) theory of change. 

My problem with it is that it&#039;s typically been used as &lt;i&gt;mere&lt;/i&gt; obfuscation, the equivalent, in its heyday, of post-modernism, in its. Both have by now been sufficiently abused that even the herds of naive lefties are no longer much impressed. As for Rangel, I doubt he has the capacity even to understand obfuscation as a tactic, much less &quot;heightening the contradictions&quot; -- I just see him as trying to spook up an anti-war stampede by flapping the old red flag of the draft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of off-topic, Sergey, but I&#8217;d be interested in seeing your work relating to dialectic as a general and rigorous (mathematical) theory of change. </p>
<p>My problem with it is that it&#8217;s typically been used as <i>mere</i> obfuscation, the equivalent, in its heyday, of post-modernism, in its. Both have by now been sufficiently abused that even the herds of naive lefties are no longer much impressed. As for Rangel, I doubt he has the capacity even to understand obfuscation as a tactic, much less &#8220;heightening the contradictions&#8221; &#8212; I just see him as trying to spook up an anti-war stampede by flapping the old red flag of the draft.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/20/you-heard-it-here-first-charles-rangel/#comment-24003</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[cry in the nile.

Fake is accurate, Synova. Not just less is more.

Wars increase recruiting for the Marine Corps and the infantry branches of the army. Warriors like wars, they don&#039;t actually like joining in peace time if they don&#039;t have to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cry in the nile.</p>
<p>Fake is accurate, Synova. Not just less is more.</p>
<p>Wars increase recruiting for the Marine Corps and the infantry branches of the army. Warriors like wars, they don&#8217;t actually like joining in peace time if they don&#8217;t have to.</p>
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		By: Synova		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Recruiting is always difficult, so cry me a river, Anonymous.  Your sources are incredibly biased anyhow.  How could any person actually look at the fact (I haven&#039;t checked it but we&#039;ll go with what the article you quoted said) that half of those who are injured return to active duty and put it into negative terms that half of them *don&#039;t* return to active duty?

Maybe they weren&#039;t active duty to begin with... a whole heck of a lot of those in Iraq are National Guard.  I believe that our first female silver star recipient went home with her unit and stayed there.

JFKerry took the free-out after three bandaids.

And this article actually claims that deaths *now* have more impact than those from Vietnam?  Why?  Well, according to this guy, because there were more in Vietnam.  Way more deaths and way more soldiers.  

See, fewer deaths and injuries means greater impact because, ya know, less is more.

And this impacts recruiting?  Shouldn&#039;t it impact *retention*?  But retention rates are good.  Very good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recruiting is always difficult, so cry me a river, Anonymous.  Your sources are incredibly biased anyhow.  How could any person actually look at the fact (I haven&#8217;t checked it but we&#8217;ll go with what the article you quoted said) that half of those who are injured return to active duty and put it into negative terms that half of them *don&#8217;t* return to active duty?</p>
<p>Maybe they weren&#8217;t active duty to begin with&#8230; a whole heck of a lot of those in Iraq are National Guard.  I believe that our first female silver star recipient went home with her unit and stayed there.</p>
<p>JFKerry took the free-out after three bandaids.</p>
<p>And this article actually claims that deaths *now* have more impact than those from Vietnam?  Why?  Well, according to this guy, because there were more in Vietnam.  Way more deaths and way more soldiers.  </p>
<p>See, fewer deaths and injuries means greater impact because, ya know, less is more.</p>
<p>And this impacts recruiting?  Shouldn&#8217;t it impact *retention*?  But retention rates are good.  Very good.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is not clear what proportion of the 30,000+ personnel evacuated to the United States for treatment actually return to active service, but there are indications that at least half of the 20,000 people sustaining combat injuries do not do so. Although the combat deaths are far smaller than in the Vietnam War, that was in an era of the draft (conscription), with much larger armed forces. The impact of nearly 3,000 deaths and around 10,000 serious injuries in the Iraq War so far is proportionally much larger than at the time of the much longer Vietnam War, and may partially explain the continuing difficulties in recruitment into the armed forces, especially the US Army.&quot;

www.oxfordresearchgroup.org/uk]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is not clear what proportion of the 30,000+ personnel evacuated to the United States for treatment actually return to active service, but there are indications that at least half of the 20,000 people sustaining combat injuries do not do so. Although the combat deaths are far smaller than in the Vietnam War, that was in an era of the draft (conscription), with much larger armed forces. The impact of nearly 3,000 deaths and around 10,000 serious injuries in the Iraq War so far is proportionally much larger than at the time of the much longer Vietnam War, and may partially explain the continuing difficulties in recruitment into the armed forces, especially the US Army.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About the growing U.S use of airpower and the lack of coverage in the MSM..

&quot;Not surprisingly, this remains a non-issue in this country. How could Americans react, when there&#039;s no news to react to, when there&#039;s next to no information to be had -- which doesn&#039;t mean that information on our ongoing air campaigns is unavailable. In fact, the Air Force is proud as punch of the job it&#039;s doing; so any reporter, not to speak of any citizen, can go to the Air Force website and look at daily reports of air missions over both Iraq and Afghanistan. The report of November 15th, for instance, offers the following:

 &quot;In Iraq, U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18s conducted a strike against anti-Iraqi forces near Ramadi. The F/A-18s expended guided bomb unit-31s on enemy targets. Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Forward Operating Base McHenry and Baqubah. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Baghdad.

 &quot;In total, coalition aircraft flew 32 close air support missions for Operation Iraqi Freedom. These missions included support to coalition troops, infrastructure protection, reconstruction activities and operations to deter and disrupt terrorist activities.&quot;

 This was a pretty typical day&#039;s work in recent months; there were 34 strikes on November 14th, 32 on the 13th, and 35 on the 12th -- and note that each of the strikes mentioned was &quot;near&quot; a major city. These reports can be hard to parse, but they certainly give a sense, day by day, that the air war in Iraq is no less ongoing for being unreported.

om Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute&#039;s Tomdispatch.com (&quot;a regular antidote to the mainstream media&quot;), where this article first appeared, is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the growing U.S use of airpower and the lack of coverage in the MSM..</p>
<p>&#8220;Not surprisingly, this remains a non-issue in this country. How could Americans react, when there&#8217;s no news to react to, when there&#8217;s next to no information to be had &#8212; which doesn&#8217;t mean that information on our ongoing air campaigns is unavailable. In fact, the Air Force is proud as punch of the job it&#8217;s doing; so any reporter, not to speak of any citizen, can go to the Air Force website and look at daily reports of air missions over both Iraq and Afghanistan. The report of November 15th, for instance, offers the following:</p>
<p> &#8220;In Iraq, U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18s conducted a strike against anti-Iraqi forces near Ramadi. The F/A-18s expended guided bomb unit-31s on enemy targets. Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Forward Operating Base McHenry and Baqubah. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Baghdad.</p>
<p> &#8220;In total, coalition aircraft flew 32 close air support missions for Operation Iraqi Freedom. These missions included support to coalition troops, infrastructure protection, reconstruction activities and operations to deter and disrupt terrorist activities.&#8221;</p>
<p> This was a pretty typical day&#8217;s work in recent months; there were 34 strikes on November 14th, 32 on the 13th, and 35 on the 12th &#8212; and note that each of the strikes mentioned was &#8220;near&#8221; a major city. These reports can be hard to parse, but they certainly give a sense, day by day, that the air war in Iraq is no less ongoing for being unreported.</p>
<p>om Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute&#8217;s Tomdispatch.com (&#8220;a regular antidote to the mainstream media&#8221;), where this article first appeared, is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve wrote:

&quot;Rangel is not trying to carry on a dialectic in a meaningful way. He posed a very specific challenge: &quot;If people are for the war, then they must be for Americans to share the burden via the draft.&quot; He&#039;s right, with only one exception: if one believes our armed forces are sufficient to meet all of our current challenges. I don&#039;t think they are.&quot;

I&#039;m sure there are those who would &#039;support&#039; the draft(those who generally wouldn&#039;t be considered for service, lol) - but I&#039;m absolutley certain that it will never wash.  Considering how unpopular the war is amongst Americans it&#039;s unbelievably crazy to even consider it - even more so, immedietely after an election dominated by the war.

Nor do I think more troops will make a difference either - intially perhaps, but I&#039;m quite sure it would become even more of a bloodbath than it is now.

Ultimately the U.S will probably use air power(like in Vietnam)to &#039;placate&#039;  the Iraqis and protect it&#039;s embassy, bases etc. In fact they have been doing that quite a bit more lately.

Sure more Iraqi civilians will die and  world opinion will be even more against the U.S - but then we can &#039;win&#039;.

Which is what it&#039;s all about - take it in the endzone!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rangel is not trying to carry on a dialectic in a meaningful way. He posed a very specific challenge: &#8220;If people are for the war, then they must be for Americans to share the burden via the draft.&#8221; He&#8217;s right, with only one exception: if one believes our armed forces are sufficient to meet all of our current challenges. I don&#8217;t think they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are those who would &#8216;support&#8217; the draft(those who generally wouldn&#8217;t be considered for service, lol) &#8211; but I&#8217;m absolutley certain that it will never wash.  Considering how unpopular the war is amongst Americans it&#8217;s unbelievably crazy to even consider it &#8211; even more so, immedietely after an election dominated by the war.</p>
<p>Nor do I think more troops will make a difference either &#8211; intially perhaps, but I&#8217;m quite sure it would become even more of a bloodbath than it is now.</p>
<p>Ultimately the U.S will probably use air power(like in Vietnam)to &#8216;placate&#8217;  the Iraqis and protect it&#8217;s embassy, bases etc. In fact they have been doing that quite a bit more lately.</p>
<p>Sure more Iraqi civilians will die and  world opinion will be even more against the U.S &#8211; but then we can &#8216;win&#8217;.</p>
<p>Which is what it&#8217;s all about &#8211; take it in the endzone!</p>
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