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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can get drunk on hops all you want loki, but trolling anonymous isn&#039;t going to get you anywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get drunk on hops all you want loki, but trolling anonymous isn&#8217;t going to get you anywhere.</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23464</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Anon 8.49

It&#039;s not like I&#039;m advocating some goddam lefty liberal agenda even...maybe the ppl here are further right than I imagined,

But if you want to see REAL ludicrous delusion Anon 8.49, see &#039;Augean Stables&#039;. That is something else. It would be ok if the guy was a little logical or could even see that what he was criticizing or the manner in which he was criticizing applied equally if not more so to HIMSELF! He blankets his arguments in ridiculous terms that are seemingly supposed to give it an aura of academia, very tragic.

Anyway I am leaving neo neo con i think, or will try to. It&#039;s too distracting and no one really argues, they just have positions to defend, thoughtlessly.

I may be back, if anyone ever wants to argue facts not &#039;givens&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anon 8.49</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m advocating some goddam lefty liberal agenda even&#8230;maybe the ppl here are further right than I imagined,</p>
<p>But if you want to see REAL ludicrous delusion Anon 8.49, see &#8216;Augean Stables&#8217;. That is something else. It would be ok if the guy was a little logical or could even see that what he was criticizing or the manner in which he was criticizing applied equally if not more so to HIMSELF! He blankets his arguments in ridiculous terms that are seemingly supposed to give it an aura of academia, very tragic.</p>
<p>Anyway I am leaving neo neo con i think, or will try to. It&#8217;s too distracting and no one really argues, they just have positions to defend, thoughtlessly.</p>
<p>I may be back, if anyone ever wants to argue facts not &#8216;givens&#8217;</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23463</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because I knew ZERO about military history, so all I could do was trust in the President and the generals. But, I&#039;m a little bit more educated now.&quot;

Except that Y. That, from your website sums up your naivete.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because I knew ZERO about military history, so all I could do was trust in the President and the generals. But, I&#8217;m a little bit more educated now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that Y. That, from your website sums up your naivete.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23462</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Loki - they are &quot;not feeding the trolls&quot;(LOL) - in the hope that when you present facts, truth and logic that you&#039;ll just go away and they can continue in their little mythological, hate mongering  sewing circle...

Actually I quite prefer when they don&#039;t respond to proper questions and go on the troll trip - it shows with crystal clarity the intellectual and moral bankruptcy, and the fact that any dork in cyberpspace can have a blog and be a rightwing hero nowadays...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loki &#8211; they are &#8220;not feeding the trolls&#8221;(LOL) &#8211; in the hope that when you present facts, truth and logic that you&#8217;ll just go away and they can continue in their little mythological, hate mongering  sewing circle&#8230;</p>
<p>Actually I quite prefer when they don&#8217;t respond to proper questions and go on the troll trip &#8211; it shows with crystal clarity the intellectual and moral bankruptcy, and the fact that any dork in cyberpspace can have a blog and be a rightwing hero nowadays&#8230;</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brilliant Ymarskar

So you&#039;re dismissing something you haven&#039;t even read, how do you know it&#039;s not worth reading? If you don&#039;t read it why/ how can you have an opinion? 
Please, give yourself a break...

How old are you? I wont address you again, you are a waste of time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant Ymarskar</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re dismissing something you haven&#8217;t even read, how do you know it&#8217;s not worth reading? If you don&#8217;t read it why/ how can you have an opinion?<br />
Please, give yourself a break&#8230;</p>
<p>How old are you? I wont address you again, you are a waste of time.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hasn&#039;t Loki realized yet, in his drunken stupor, that I don&#039;t read his posts so it is not like I need to exert any great will to ignore him? I can&#039;t ignore something I don&#039;t even read.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t Loki realized yet, in his drunken stupor, that I don&#8217;t read his posts so it is not like I need to exert any great will to ignore him? I can&#8217;t ignore something I don&#8217;t even read.</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS Osama is dead]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS Osama is dead</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goesh - Yes but on the ground in afganistan the numbers of Nato soldiers is limited...(for reasons best known to this brilliant administration) and they are fighting unconventionally, kind of SAS Desert Rats North Africa.

Victory in Iraq (when it was possible - and it still could be depending on how you define it) depended on unconventional  combination of tactics maybe - smething it has been argued that the US was unprepared for and unprepared to do.

I suppose that in Iraq, even the pretence that the US were fighting stopped soon after the invasion. When the public could have been sold the idea of more war Iraq could have been won. The denial of this administration denied true victory in Iraq.

Since 2003 aside from some clear out operations there has been nothing but patrols for what reason? The clear out operations have failed, and served only to cause more insurgency.
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In a sense Rumsfeld and the Admin denied the possibility of victory early on by denying that there was a problem in Iraq...an now you cannot make a child grow smaller. Perhaps now threats and diplomacy are the way to bring reconciliation.
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Nato troops will have to go to Iraq which means going on our knees to the UN and EU, thanks to this incompetant administration. And dont forget that we have our friend Turkey to contend with. Think about this, Turkey is moving away from its EU obligations at the moment, now why would that be do you think? Yeah look to the north of Iraq.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goesh &#8211; Yes but on the ground in afganistan the numbers of Nato soldiers is limited&#8230;(for reasons best known to this brilliant administration) and they are fighting unconventionally, kind of SAS Desert Rats North Africa.</p>
<p>Victory in Iraq (when it was possible &#8211; and it still could be depending on how you define it) depended on unconventional  combination of tactics maybe &#8211; smething it has been argued that the US was unprepared for and unprepared to do.</p>
<p>I suppose that in Iraq, even the pretence that the US were fighting stopped soon after the invasion. When the public could have been sold the idea of more war Iraq could have been won. The denial of this administration denied true victory in Iraq.</p>
<p>Since 2003 aside from some clear out operations there has been nothing but patrols for what reason? The clear out operations have failed, and served only to cause more insurgency.<br />
&#8212;<br />
In a sense Rumsfeld and the Admin denied the possibility of victory early on by denying that there was a problem in Iraq&#8230;an now you cannot make a child grow smaller. Perhaps now threats and diplomacy are the way to bring reconciliation.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Nato troops will have to go to Iraq which means going on our knees to the UN and EU, thanks to this incompetant administration. And dont forget that we have our friend Turkey to contend with. Think about this, Turkey is moving away from its EU obligations at the moment, now why would that be do you think? Yeah look to the north of Iraq.</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/11/08/not-our-first-rodeo/#comment-23457</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anon 12.09 wow Zinni, a lot of that happens everywhere and here(if you don&#039;t agree you&#039;re a jew hater, Osama lover, see every thread here at neoneo)and other rightwing blogs. On Huff post, you had trolls suggesting that Dem victory was a victory for &#039;dimmitude&#039;. 
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Lemieux 8.48 Yes errr no, I was talking about Byzantime diplomatic tactics for manipulating their enemies and amplifying their power, I was suggesting that the US should take a leaf out of their book, as opposed to not talking to your enemies and just using brute force. 

You&#039;re talking about projecting your own concerns into the past. Osama makes as much sense when he says that Spain belongs to Aljazeera ( meaning the Muslim world or island), claiming a pathetic &#039;precedent&#039;. Byzantium lasted a very VERY long time and nothing lasts forever. 
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I thought Bush looked frazzled and defeated...for the moment, but as tony snow said, &#039;Bush doesn&#039;t absorb a defeat.&#039; Pity because you learn a lot from defeat. We&#039;ll see in the last two years what Bush is actually capable of and whether he can salvage anything from this presidency.
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18 women and children died in their sleep at Gaza. Or is that another Reuters photo-op gone wrong? Look, cut to the chase, start the genocide in the Palestinian territories. Who&#039;s going to stop them if they do? The US?  Ymar? Gray? the EU that you have nothing but disdain for? Colombia University?
Few are capable of addressing issues and resort to name calling. Hope I&#039;m going slow enough for you Y.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 12.09 wow Zinni, a lot of that happens everywhere and here(if you don&#8217;t agree you&#8217;re a jew hater, Osama lover, see every thread here at neoneo)and other rightwing blogs. On Huff post, you had trolls suggesting that Dem victory was a victory for &#8216;dimmitude&#8217;.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Lemieux 8.48 Yes errr no, I was talking about Byzantime diplomatic tactics for manipulating their enemies and amplifying their power, I was suggesting that the US should take a leaf out of their book, as opposed to not talking to your enemies and just using brute force. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about projecting your own concerns into the past. Osama makes as much sense when he says that Spain belongs to Aljazeera ( meaning the Muslim world or island), claiming a pathetic &#8216;precedent&#8217;. Byzantium lasted a very VERY long time and nothing lasts forever.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
I thought Bush looked frazzled and defeated&#8230;for the moment, but as tony snow said, &#8216;Bush doesn&#8217;t absorb a defeat.&#8217; Pity because you learn a lot from defeat. We&#8217;ll see in the last two years what Bush is actually capable of and whether he can salvage anything from this presidency.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
18 women and children died in their sleep at Gaza. Or is that another Reuters photo-op gone wrong? Look, cut to the chase, start the genocide in the Palestinian territories. Who&#8217;s going to stop them if they do? The US?  Ymar? Gray? the EU that you have nothing but disdain for? Colombia University?<br />
Few are capable of addressing issues and resort to name calling. Hope I&#8217;m going slow enough for you Y.</p>
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		By: Loki		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar - i do better drunk than you do sober if content is the issue]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar &#8211; i do better drunk than you do sober if content is the issue</p>
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