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		By: Elwood Yurkovich		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-238019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elwood Yurkovich]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, nice tips here. By the way, i must say fantastic blog you have, with the being taller tips in it. I stumbled across it in AOL. Keep posting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, nice tips here. By the way, i must say fantastic blog you have, with the being taller tips in it. I stumbled across it in AOL. Keep posting.</p>
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		By: royal carribean		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-35485</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[royal carribean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;royal carribean cruise...&lt;/strong&gt;

Get started by clicking a featured ecard further down or sail the menu on the Heraldry sinister !  No banknotes prizes - yet ! ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>royal carribean cruise&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Get started by clicking a featured ecard further down or sail the menu on the Heraldry sinister !  No banknotes prizes &#8211; yet ! &#8230;</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What did George Bush get on his SAT&#039;s?


Barbecue Sauce


An Iraq war vet who briefly thought otherwise]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did George Bush get on his SAT&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Barbecue Sauce</p>
<p>An Iraq war vet who briefly thought otherwise</p>
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		By: D		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26265</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey wrote: &lt;i&gt;so-called &quot;civil wars&quot; is really list of failed states.&lt;/i&gt;

Huh? As per the US civil war? Actually very few on the list represent failed states]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey wrote: <i>so-called &#8220;civil wars&#8221; is really list of failed states.</i></p>
<p>Huh? As per the US civil war? Actually very few on the list represent failed states</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given Bush&#039;s psychological profile, he doesn&#039;t seem to favor any of the three conclusions, Sergey had.

So I guess the initiative and the ball is in China&#039;s and NK&#039;s court. Not a good thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given Bush&#8217;s psychological profile, he doesn&#8217;t seem to favor any of the three conclusions, Sergey had.</p>
<p>So I guess the initiative and the ball is in China&#8217;s and NK&#8217;s court. Not a good thing.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All those considerations about fairness, cooperation, providing incentives apply only to sane people and sane states. But NK and Iran leadership are not sane, they are megalomaniacs, apocalyptic psychopaths, so to seek some negotiable settlement with them is madness too. With such guys even MAD does not work. How anybody can cooperate with suicide bomber? This is exactly why US does not object Pakistan or India or Israel to have nukes, but denies this &quot;right&quot; to NK and Iran. With the first group of states it is possible to negotiate, and this is successfully done. And with the second all these attempts, made by Clinton and his administration, turn to be failures.  So the problem of dealing with crazy states boils to necessity to destroy or subvert them, and, may be, as a last resort, to nuke them preemptively.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those considerations about fairness, cooperation, providing incentives apply only to sane people and sane states. But NK and Iran leadership are not sane, they are megalomaniacs, apocalyptic psychopaths, so to seek some negotiable settlement with them is madness too. With such guys even MAD does not work. How anybody can cooperate with suicide bomber? This is exactly why US does not object Pakistan or India or Israel to have nukes, but denies this &#8220;right&#8221; to NK and Iran. With the first group of states it is possible to negotiate, and this is successfully done. And with the second all these attempts, made by Clinton and his administration, turn to be failures.  So the problem of dealing with crazy states boils to necessity to destroy or subvert them, and, may be, as a last resort, to nuke them preemptively.</p>
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		By: Spanky		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26300</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spanky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hahaha!  You always know Serious Thinking is going on when Yammer is around!

At least I admit that the situation is so bad that it&#039;s beyond me to pretend to know how to solve; at least I know that there&#039;s little point in blathering on about problems I don&#039;t understand and imaginary solutions based on uneducated fantasies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha!  You always know Serious Thinking is going on when Yammer is around!</p>
<p>At least I admit that the situation is so bad that it&#8217;s beyond me to pretend to know how to solve; at least I know that there&#8217;s little point in blathering on about problems I don&#8217;t understand and imaginary solutions based on uneducated fantasies.</p>
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		By: Spanky		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spanky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#65204;&#65197;&#65189;

Look, the Iranian regime is awful and trust me, it would be wonderful, wonderful, if the Iranian people could finally rid themselves of it and have the democracy they deserve.  And you&#039;re right - publicizing a regime&#039;s crimes can have an impact.  Look what we did to apartheid in South Africa.  I&#039;m certainly not sure how liberals are covering up the Iranian regime&#039;s crimes.    

But!  But, and this is the only but - in a discussion of international nonproliferation regimes, the nature of the government of a state matters much less than the nature of the regime and the coercive power of the members of the regime.  That&#039;s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#65204;&#65197;&#65189;</p>
<p>Look, the Iranian regime is awful and trust me, it would be wonderful, wonderful, if the Iranian people could finally rid themselves of it and have the democracy they deserve.  And you&#8217;re right &#8211; publicizing a regime&#8217;s crimes can have an impact.  Look what we did to apartheid in South Africa.  I&#8217;m certainly not sure how liberals are covering up the Iranian regime&#8217;s crimes.    </p>
<p>But!  But, and this is the only but &#8211; in a discussion of international nonproliferation regimes, the nature of the government of a state matters much less than the nature of the regime and the coercive power of the members of the regime.  That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		By: Red		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26297</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;while Iran is an oppressive oligarchical state with lots of really nasty stuff going on, the situation isn&#039;t nearly as bad as the nightmare world you&#039;re describing.&lt;/I&gt;

When was the last time you lived there? How do you know it&#039;s not so bad? Do you have nieces and nephews living there who are brutalized physically (my nephew was brutally beatn by the Basijis and almost lost his beautiful blue eyes) socially, economically, politically, on a daily basis because they are not part of the ruling elite? Well, I do.

Fourty percent of Iranians live below poverty line while Khamenie et al are investing their billions in Dubai and Canada. Iran has the highest rate of addicts in the world. One out of 16 are addicts, trafficking woman is an state-run venture by the IRGC, Iran has executed 10.10 people per day so far this year....
BTW, The liberals are not helping the Iranian people by minimizing,covering up and trivilizing the mullah&#039;s atrocities and perhaps you&#039;re contributing to an eventual nuking of Iran. Highlighting the truth about Iran will probably  make military/sanctions even less necessary, if it is possible that the Iranian regime will collapse on its own.


I&#039;m too upset to continue this now. Maybe later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>while Iran is an oppressive oligarchical state with lots of really nasty stuff going on, the situation isn&#8217;t nearly as bad as the nightmare world you&#8217;re describing.</i></p>
<p>When was the last time you lived there? How do you know it&#8217;s not so bad? Do you have nieces and nephews living there who are brutalized physically (my nephew was brutally beatn by the Basijis and almost lost his beautiful blue eyes) socially, economically, politically, on a daily basis because they are not part of the ruling elite? Well, I do.</p>
<p>Fourty percent of Iranians live below poverty line while Khamenie et al are investing their billions in Dubai and Canada. Iran has the highest rate of addicts in the world. One out of 16 are addicts, trafficking woman is an state-run venture by the IRGC, Iran has executed 10.10 people per day so far this year&#8230;.<br />
BTW, The liberals are not helping the Iranian people by minimizing,covering up and trivilizing the mullah&#8217;s atrocities and perhaps you&#8217;re contributing to an eventual nuking of Iran. Highlighting the truth about Iran will probably  make military/sanctions even less necessary, if it is possible that the Iranian regime will collapse on its own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m too upset to continue this now. Maybe later.</p>
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		By: Spanky		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/18/wars-civil-andor-religious-part-i/#comment-26296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spanky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Red - while Iran is an oppressive oligarchical state with lots of really nasty stuff going on, the situation isn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;nearly&lt;/em&gt; as bad as the nightmare world you&#039;re describing.

But beyond that - what&#039;s the relevance?  &quot;Iran is a terrible dictatorship.  This is why we should make loud noises to them about not having nuclear weapons that we can&#039;t back up.&quot;  Is that what you&#039;re trying to say?  The nature of the Iranian regime is &lt;em&gt;irrelevant&lt;/em&gt; to discussions about complellence or coercion in voluntary international nonproliferation regime.  Unless we have some other means I am unaware of, we can&#039;t just wave our hands and force Iran to comply.  So we have these neat little things, these regimes, and Hans Blix said: the regime only works, countries will only choose to cooperate, if they think that it&#039;s fair; that is, they&#039;re not going to enter it to benefit the interests of some other country (especially the US) to no gain and some loss to them.

Does that make sense?  A country will only cooperate if it thinks it&#039;s worthwhile to cooperate, and if the nature of cooperation is &quot;do everything the US wants, give up an asset, and gain nothing,&quot; then why would Iran, or any country, want to cooperate?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red &#8211; while Iran is an oppressive oligarchical state with lots of really nasty stuff going on, the situation isn&#8217;t <em>nearly</em> as bad as the nightmare world you&#8217;re describing.</p>
<p>But beyond that &#8211; what&#8217;s the relevance?  &#8220;Iran is a terrible dictatorship.  This is why we should make loud noises to them about not having nuclear weapons that we can&#8217;t back up.&#8221;  Is that what you&#8217;re trying to say?  The nature of the Iranian regime is <em>irrelevant</em> to discussions about complellence or coercion in voluntary international nonproliferation regime.  Unless we have some other means I am unaware of, we can&#8217;t just wave our hands and force Iran to comply.  So we have these neat little things, these regimes, and Hans Blix said: the regime only works, countries will only choose to cooperate, if they think that it&#8217;s fair; that is, they&#8217;re not going to enter it to benefit the interests of some other country (especially the US) to no gain and some loss to them.</p>
<p>Does that make sense?  A country will only cooperate if it thinks it&#8217;s worthwhile to cooperate, and if the nature of cooperation is &#8220;do everything the US wants, give up an asset, and gain nothing,&#8221; then why would Iran, or any country, want to cooperate?</p>
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