Comments on: Iraq: federalism and/or bust?

By: stumbley

stumbley — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:33:18 +0000

This is for Pete and his “first, do no harm”…

Had to share this wonderful comment from “7th Heaven” at The Belmont Club:

“First, do no harm.

Second, talk to tyrants and terrorists who oppress or kill their people or who threaten or kill yours and offer them money, inducements, and your good faith.

Third, levy sanctions against their regimes, China and Russia willing, if they won’t stop after years of continued threats and mass murder.

Fourth, wring hands when talk and sanctions don’t work.

Fifth, realize that sanctions harm innocents and children and hand-wringing induces eventual arthritic pain, so stop both before doing further harm.

Sixth, decide that tyrants and terrorists are not only acting within politico-cultural norms for their regions, they are victims reacting to Yankee-Zionist-Crusader-Capitalist imperialism.

Seventh, castigate selves for having been so hurtful and insensitive, then go to your Maker.”

Pretty much sums up the useful idiocy of the Left.

By: stumbley

stumbley — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:38:57 +0000

Sergey has the best take on the Petes and Nonnys of the world: “How stupid one must be to believe in this nonsense…”

75 years of misery in the Soviet Union apparently was lost on the majority of Socialists. The failed economies of many of the socialist EU countries apparently haven’t taught “progressives” anything.

They who are ignoring history are asking all of us to be doomed to repeat it.

By: Ariel

Ariel — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:59:25 +0000

“We are going to give the means of production back to the workers.”

No more wars, just mass murder on an unbelievable scale. The ultimate oppressive society with the misery spread to all but the elite. So what lessons from the 20th Century did you learn?

“the rank and file Iraqis”

You mean the ones that are killing their own people indiscriminately? The ones that don’t want any form of democracy? What a silly, simplistic analysis. If I just call them rank and file I must be right. Your obsessive hatred is showing.

By: Sergey

Sergey — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:19:07 +0000

“We are going to give the means of production back to the workers”

How pathetic. And who are “we”? Socialists, of course. The same old Marxist gibberish. I have seen in my own country how this works: 25 million dead in Gulag. And a string of wars everywhere, from Angola and Nicaragua to Afganistan and Vietnam. How stupid one must be to believe in this nonsense after all the history of 20 century?

By: Sergey

Sergey — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:56:40 +0000

British troops have been in Ulster for half a century now. This was the main reason why religious clashes have not morphed there into civil war.
When France took responsibility of Lebanon, there were the same religious divides as now – Shia, Christians and Sunny. But civil war began only after French troops withdrawal.
The same for India, Pakistan, Indochina and so on. Presence of foreign troops almost everywhere prevented civil wars, not cause it. Religious and etnic wars usually begin as result of troops withdrawal, not the other way round.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:25:26 +0000

Ok neo, I understand that you meant well, there was a vicious tyrant in power and you wanted to help.Lot of people need help.But what if some help is the kind of help you can do without? Here is your old buddy Norm Geras ” Had I been able to forsee in Jan. and Feb of 03, that the war would have the results it actually had..I would have withheld my support without giving support to the opposition..”

How lame is that? Are you still willing to take your new intervention technique to all the oppressed people in the world? And to the fools who say I support no alternative, try to pay attention: We are going to give the means of production back to the workers.No more wars, no more Sadaams or Kim Jong’s or GWBs.If you need more details Ill provide some links.Thanks.

By: pete

pete — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:21:56 +0000

Harry

Do you really think that your lttle neocon wetdream is going to last?

By: harry

harry — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:05:08 +0000

“Oh I could be blocked easily but you wont be able to block out the wrath that will befall the neocon.”

Oh brother!

By: pete

pete — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:47 +0000

“is there no way to block the pete-style bs and get back to useful exchanges?”

Oh I could be blocked easily but you wont be able to block out the wrath that will befall the neocon.

By: pete

pete — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:02:44 +0000

“People like pete needs somebody to stomp down to make themselves feel better. That is why, like terrorists, they need to pick on someone weak, like women or the West.”

Do you think women are week? Youare in for a big surprise. How old are you?

Do you think the West is weak? What planet are you on?

“And that is why pete continues to come here and comment, instead of reading and listening. Not here to read or listen, but here to stomp on people, which I guess is fun for him.”

The world is about to “stomp” on the USA due to the arrogance, ignorance
and lack of empathy of people like YOU.

“Compared to the true believers like the Islamic Jihad, pete here is a joke, he ain’t the Real Deal.”

What does Islamic Jihad have to do with Iraq? We are killing the rank and file Iraqis that want us out of their country and they are killing our service men and women. They want us out plain and simple. You and your ignorant neocon friends try to frame the mess that you have made of Iraq as some sort of fight against Islamic Jihad. Guess what? America does not believe your nonsense anymore.

You are part of a pathetic minority.