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		By: Michael Andreyakovich		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/03/clash-of-civilizations-modern-world/#comment-25886</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Andreyakovich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it he that lacks imagination, or you that lack a spine?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it he that lacks imagination, or you that lack a spine?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Such satanic evil can be stopped only by violence.&lt;/i&gt;

You lack imagination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Such satanic evil can be stopped only by violence.</i></p>
<p>You lack imagination.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Unless you yourself are capable of committing the same crime, how can you or anyone really understand the mind of such a person whom we like to call a madman?mad angry and mad crazy.&quot;

By educating ourselves about them.

This is, of course, yet another clumsy attempt by some sheep to pretend that sheepdogs and wolves are all the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unless you yourself are capable of committing the same crime, how can you or anyone really understand the mind of such a person whom we like to call a madman?mad angry and mad crazy.&#8221;</p>
<p>By educating ourselves about them.</p>
<p>This is, of course, yet another clumsy attempt by some sheep to pretend that sheepdogs and wolves are all the same.</p>
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		By: jgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few replies:

&quot;And, as a little aside, they do contribute to American society as a preserver of skills and arts&gt;&quot;

American diversity needs protection.  Our roots are being destroyed.  Miss Jean makes a good point above.

&quot; Or maybe we all have some of the madman in us just waiting for the right conditions to ripen and explode.&quot;

No, Anonymous.  Still take the average 21c American--especially young people who are even more vulnerable-- and expose such to the nihilistic music, art, media culture prevalent, and violence is a predictable outcome. Check your local crime headlines for any part of America. Someone has said that if the Islamists did not favor us with their continual atrocity display, American TV and movies would invent them. 

Sergey says:
&quot;the third form of eschatological totalitarism with ambition of world domination, after communism and facsism, but it, of course, have some resemblance to both.&quot;

Thank you for this helpful definition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few replies:</p>
<p>&#8220;And, as a little aside, they do contribute to American society as a preserver of skills and arts>&#8221;</p>
<p>American diversity needs protection.  Our roots are being destroyed.  Miss Jean makes a good point above.</p>
<p>&#8221; Or maybe we all have some of the madman in us just waiting for the right conditions to ripen and explode.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, Anonymous.  Still take the average 21c American&#8211;especially young people who are even more vulnerable&#8211; and expose such to the nihilistic music, art, media culture prevalent, and violence is a predictable outcome. Check your local crime headlines for any part of America. Someone has said that if the Islamists did not favor us with their continual atrocity display, American TV and movies would invent them. </p>
<p>Sergey says:<br />
&#8220;the third form of eschatological totalitarism with ambition of world domination, after communism and facsism, but it, of course, have some resemblance to both.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for this helpful definition.</p>
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		By: Anonymess		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nothing ever really really explains heinous acts such as this one. While we can usually understand some of the facts and  connect some of the dots (if early reports are accurate, Roberts was a child sex offender--he could have been sexually molested himself as a child--who was reportedly filled with anger at God and who knows who else because of a daughter who died when she was less than one-week old) that shaped the person and led to the crime, the facts never explain the whole story.  Unless you yourself are capable of committing the same crime, how can you or anyone really understand the mind of such a person whom we like to call a madman—mad angry and mad crazy.  I’d like to think that given the same life circumstances as Roberts I would go for help, tell someone about my inner demons, or at least kill myself before taking someone else’s life. Would I? Or maybe we all have some of the madman in us just waiting for the right conditions to ripen and explode.

Roberts probably was consumed with anger/rage, hurt, and envy/ jealousy whenever he encountered young, happy, full-of-life girls. His victims, I suspect, were his daughter&#039;s age had she lived.  He likely followed the news story of the recent Colorado school molestation and killing and decided to become a copycat molester and killer and vent his presumably pent-up rage and hate on these young, defenseless, schoolgirls.  Why should they be allowed to live if his daughter couldn’t.   Again, none of this, even if true, really justifies or explains how depraved, how base, how cruel, how &quot;inhuman&quot; he was or  became.  Crimes such as this one unfortunately no longer shock or even surprise me.  If we humans can kill six million Jews, one of our kind can certainly find  a ”reason” to kill five or six Amish girls. As a naive child I held high regard for humanity in general. Sadly, those lofty ideals have withered with time.  For me now, it&#039;s become a question of just how low, how cruel and how deadly some humans can be toward one another.  Rwanda, Darfur, Terrorism, and many many other unspeakable acts of torture and death remind us again and again that at least some humans have no obvious regard for the value of a human life, including their own.  With North Korea and Iran vying to become nuclear combatants, we all may get to witness and experience just how low and inhuman our race can go before it&#039;s gone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing ever really really explains heinous acts such as this one. While we can usually understand some of the facts and  connect some of the dots (if early reports are accurate, Roberts was a child sex offender&#8211;he could have been sexually molested himself as a child&#8211;who was reportedly filled with anger at God and who knows who else because of a daughter who died when she was less than one-week old) that shaped the person and led to the crime, the facts never explain the whole story.  Unless you yourself are capable of committing the same crime, how can you or anyone really understand the mind of such a person whom we like to call a madman—mad angry and mad crazy.  I’d like to think that given the same life circumstances as Roberts I would go for help, tell someone about my inner demons, or at least kill myself before taking someone else’s life. Would I? Or maybe we all have some of the madman in us just waiting for the right conditions to ripen and explode.</p>
<p>Roberts probably was consumed with anger/rage, hurt, and envy/ jealousy whenever he encountered young, happy, full-of-life girls. His victims, I suspect, were his daughter&#8217;s age had she lived.  He likely followed the news story of the recent Colorado school molestation and killing and decided to become a copycat molester and killer and vent his presumably pent-up rage and hate on these young, defenseless, schoolgirls.  Why should they be allowed to live if his daughter couldn’t.   Again, none of this, even if true, really justifies or explains how depraved, how base, how cruel, how &#8220;inhuman&#8221; he was or  became.  Crimes such as this one unfortunately no longer shock or even surprise me.  If we humans can kill six million Jews, one of our kind can certainly find  a ”reason” to kill five or six Amish girls. As a naive child I held high regard for humanity in general. Sadly, those lofty ideals have withered with time.  For me now, it&#8217;s become a question of just how low, how cruel and how deadly some humans can be toward one another.  Rwanda, Darfur, Terrorism, and many many other unspeakable acts of torture and death remind us again and again that at least some humans have no obvious regard for the value of a human life, including their own.  With North Korea and Iran vying to become nuclear combatants, we all may get to witness and experience just how low and inhuman our race can go before it&#8217;s gone.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The tax exemption only applies to fully self-sufficient Amish communities, not to mixed communities like you describe, MissJean.

Even a fully self-sufficient community profits from the fact that they are surrounded by peaceful territories patrolled by US government forces, but personally I really couldn&#039;t care one way or the other. They pay the price of refusing modern police services when incidents like this occur, so as long as it&#039;s a sacrifice they&#039;re willing to make, along with all the other sacrifices they make in the name of self-sufficiency, they can spend their lives without paying a dime to Uncle Sam, for all I care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax exemption only applies to fully self-sufficient Amish communities, not to mixed communities like you describe, MissJean.</p>
<p>Even a fully self-sufficient community profits from the fact that they are surrounded by peaceful territories patrolled by US government forces, but personally I really couldn&#8217;t care one way or the other. They pay the price of refusing modern police services when incidents like this occur, so as long as it&#8217;s a sacrifice they&#8217;re willing to make, along with all the other sacrifices they make in the name of self-sufficiency, they can spend their lives without paying a dime to Uncle Sam, for all I care.</p>
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		By: MissJean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I should add that the only property that seems to have a tax-abatement is the schoolhouse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that the only property that seems to have a tax-abatement is the schoolhouse.</p>
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		By: MissJean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian&#039;s claim that Amish don&#039;t pay taxes is false. I grew up in a rural community in Michigan that has a large Amish community. The Amish pay property taxes, millages, business taxes, etc. (An ironic fact: They paid their share for Dial-A-Ride system, which they don&#039;t use.) They also were involved in every Red Cross blood drive in the county and many clothing drives, contributing quilts and such for the &quot;English&quot;. 

They aren&#039;t perfect, but they aren&#039;t freeloaders. In an age when people are sue-happy and demanding other people pay for the consequences of their stupid behavior, the Amish are kind of refreshing. 

And, as a little aside, they do contribute to American society as a preserver of skills and arts. I&#039;ve paid good money to see re-enactors at Plymouth Plantation and the like, but a visit to an Amish household gave me a lot more insight into how our forefathers lived.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tatterdemalian&#8217;s claim that Amish don&#8217;t pay taxes is false. I grew up in a rural community in Michigan that has a large Amish community. The Amish pay property taxes, millages, business taxes, etc. (An ironic fact: They paid their share for Dial-A-Ride system, which they don&#8217;t use.) They also were involved in every Red Cross blood drive in the county and many clothing drives, contributing quilts and such for the &#8220;English&#8221;. </p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t perfect, but they aren&#8217;t freeloaders. In an age when people are sue-happy and demanding other people pay for the consequences of their stupid behavior, the Amish are kind of refreshing. </p>
<p>And, as a little aside, they do contribute to American society as a preserver of skills and arts. I&#8217;ve paid good money to see re-enactors at Plymouth Plantation and the like, but a visit to an Amish household gave me a lot more insight into how our forefathers lived.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/10/03/clash-of-civilizations-modern-world/#comment-25919</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;They don&#039;t. They get the same special exemptions from property and income taxes natives do, and they don&#039;t even have to pay sales taxes on anything they buy or sell, as long as everything is produced by the Amish community.
Tatterdemalian &#124; 10.05.06 - 1:18 pm &#124; # &lt;/b&gt;

if that is so, then any protection a state or government agency provides to them, would be unfair and probably would constitute as a gift. It would be even more unfair if the Amish asked or demanded for such treatment, as kind of like the Native Americans who want gambling tax breaks.

It is a good thing that the Amish usually does not ask for such favors or assistance. However, other pacifists, do demand quite strenously that people should die for their beliefs. Which makes the Amish very tolerable in comparison to the other wanna be pacifists in the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>They don&#8217;t. They get the same special exemptions from property and income taxes natives do, and they don&#8217;t even have to pay sales taxes on anything they buy or sell, as long as everything is produced by the Amish community.<br />
Tatterdemalian | 10.05.06 &#8211; 1:18 pm | # </b></p>
<p>if that is so, then any protection a state or government agency provides to them, would be unfair and probably would constitute as a gift. It would be even more unfair if the Amish asked or demanded for such treatment, as kind of like the Native Americans who want gambling tax breaks.</p>
<p>It is a good thing that the Amish usually does not ask for such favors or assistance. However, other pacifists, do demand quite strenously that people should die for their beliefs. Which makes the Amish very tolerable in comparison to the other wanna be pacifists in the world.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The name &quot;Islamofascism&quot; is not exactly correct, but it already stuck. Personally, I belive that this is a new and recent phenomenon, the third form of  eschatological totalitarism with ambition of world domination, after communism and facsism, but it, of course, have some resemblance to both. Any ideology with such characteristics is very dangerous and malignant and can provoke world war. And, of course, pacifism provides no solution to this problem. Such satanic evil can be stopped only by violence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name &#8220;Islamofascism&#8221; is not exactly correct, but it already stuck. Personally, I belive that this is a new and recent phenomenon, the third form of  eschatological totalitarism with ambition of world domination, after communism and facsism, but it, of course, have some resemblance to both. Any ideology with such characteristics is very dangerous and malignant and can provoke world war. And, of course, pacifism provides no solution to this problem. Such satanic evil can be stopped only by violence.</p>
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