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		By: Synova		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27040</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Synova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not all Christian groups are evangelical, some are predestinationist.  The evangelical sorts, even the major fundamentalist evangelical sorts (or perhaps *especially* evangelical fundamentalists) reject salvation for those who do the right things and say the right words if they haven&#039;t experienced spiritual rebirth.  Other, more traditional churches, have the concept of the visible and invisible church.  The visible is who we see.  The invisible church are those who God sees when He examines our hearts.  

It&#039;s been a *very* long time since the Holy Roman Empire was declared Christian by the Emperor and whole crowds of people or soldiers made &quot;Christian&quot; by a priest with a bucket of water to say some words no one understood and fling the water so everyone got at least a drop on them.

Anyhow, cryptic Jews are interesting to me.  It seems that a very lot of them came to America from Spain, figuring that pretending to be Christian was even safer at a distance.  I&#039;ve read accounts of people just now, in New Mexico, discovering that their heritage is actually Jewish after 300 years of going through all the rites of Catholicism.  (Family members who weren&#039;t considered safe to tell when they reached a certain age simply were *never* told.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all Christian groups are evangelical, some are predestinationist.  The evangelical sorts, even the major fundamentalist evangelical sorts (or perhaps *especially* evangelical fundamentalists) reject salvation for those who do the right things and say the right words if they haven&#8217;t experienced spiritual rebirth.  Other, more traditional churches, have the concept of the visible and invisible church.  The visible is who we see.  The invisible church are those who God sees when He examines our hearts.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a *very* long time since the Holy Roman Empire was declared Christian by the Emperor and whole crowds of people or soldiers made &#8220;Christian&#8221; by a priest with a bucket of water to say some words no one understood and fling the water so everyone got at least a drop on them.</p>
<p>Anyhow, cryptic Jews are interesting to me.  It seems that a very lot of them came to America from Spain, figuring that pretending to be Christian was even safer at a distance.  I&#8217;ve read accounts of people just now, in New Mexico, discovering that their heritage is actually Jewish after 300 years of going through all the rites of Catholicism.  (Family members who weren&#8217;t considered safe to tell when they reached a certain age simply were *never* told.)</p>
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		By: Justin Olbrantz (Quantam)		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27039</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Olbrantz (Quantam)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not much in the way of debates in the last day or so. Did somebody get out the ban stick?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much in the way of debates in the last day or so. Did somebody get out the ban stick?</p>
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		By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey - Liberty Dad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 04:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left will not &quot;win&quot; this struggle.  They will never suffer under Islamo-fascist victory; never suffer forced conversions.

If the Left is &quot;successful&quot; at stopping Bush &amp; America from enFORCING the Nuclear-Non-Proliferation Treaty signed by Iran, then Iran will get nukes. (99% in 5 years.)

More likely, the Left will &quot;allow&quot; Bush to go after Iran, then complain about him being a war-monger, yada yada.

If Iran gets nukes; I think only 1-4 years before a nuke is used on a Western city--Tel Aviv is my thought/ expectation, though Moscow, Mumbai, and Miami are all possible, too (80%?- 95%, estimate varies daily)

If Iran does NOT get nukes, the slowly stabilizing Iraq will infect the Shia of Iran with a desire for true democracy and freedom -- in 5 - 10 years the Iranians will throw off the mullahs (which is why 1-they want Iraq to continue to fail, and 2-they want nukes before they lose power). (60-90%)


Finally, after Iran gets nukes, and a Western city is mushroomed -- then the Left will be ignored as Islamo fascists are attacked.  

I think Iran should be attacked BEFORE a nuke goes off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left will not &#8220;win&#8221; this struggle.  They will never suffer under Islamo-fascist victory; never suffer forced conversions.</p>
<p>If the Left is &#8220;successful&#8221; at stopping Bush &#038; America from enFORCING the Nuclear-Non-Proliferation Treaty signed by Iran, then Iran will get nukes. (99% in 5 years.)</p>
<p>More likely, the Left will &#8220;allow&#8221; Bush to go after Iran, then complain about him being a war-monger, yada yada.</p>
<p>If Iran gets nukes; I think only 1-4 years before a nuke is used on a Western city&#8211;Tel Aviv is my thought/ expectation, though Moscow, Mumbai, and Miami are all possible, too (80%?- 95%, estimate varies daily)</p>
<p>If Iran does NOT get nukes, the slowly stabilizing Iraq will infect the Shia of Iran with a desire for true democracy and freedom &#8212; in 5 &#8211; 10 years the Iranians will throw off the mullahs (which is why 1-they want Iraq to continue to fail, and 2-they want nukes before they lose power). (60-90%)</p>
<p>Finally, after Iran gets nukes, and a Western city is mushroomed &#8212; then the Left will be ignored as Islamo fascists are attacked.  </p>
<p>I think Iran should be attacked BEFORE a nuke goes off.</p>
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		By: Class factotum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27037</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Class factotum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goesh,

Regarding that 16-year-old girl who was hanged for adultery in Iran -- I believe she had actually been raped.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goesh,</p>
<p>Regarding that 16-year-old girl who was hanged for adultery in Iran &#8212; I believe she had actually been raped.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27036</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To determine the true purpose of a process, look at the results, not at the claims made by its users. Users don&#039;t have to understand the process to use it, and in the Islamic conversion process, it&#039;s preferable that they don&#039;t.

It&#039;s a filter, designed to screen out and kill all the inspired and motivated people in areas dominated by Islam, and leave behind only the people who work for no higher cause than staying alive.

This, plus the other processes that are part of the Islamic religion, make it just as dangerous as Communism was, and by the same token, make it just as difficult for leftists to recognize the danger it represents. 

They will realize what they have lost only after it is long gone and civilization&#039;s benefits, from 80-year life spans to indoor plumbing, are just rapidly fading dreams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To determine the true purpose of a process, look at the results, not at the claims made by its users. Users don&#8217;t have to understand the process to use it, and in the Islamic conversion process, it&#8217;s preferable that they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a filter, designed to screen out and kill all the inspired and motivated people in areas dominated by Islam, and leave behind only the people who work for no higher cause than staying alive.</p>
<p>This, plus the other processes that are part of the Islamic religion, make it just as dangerous as Communism was, and by the same token, make it just as difficult for leftists to recognize the danger it represents. </p>
<p>They will realize what they have lost only after it is long gone and civilization&#8217;s benefits, from 80-year life spans to indoor plumbing, are just rapidly fading dreams.</p>
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		By: goesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27035</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of trolls, where&#039;s ol&#039; Pete been with his gruesome numbers anyway??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of trolls, where&#8217;s ol&#8217; Pete been with his gruesome numbers anyway??</p>
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		By: Senescent Wasp		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Senescent Wasp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The above is drive by trolling. Don&#039;t bother responding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above is drive by trolling. Don&#8217;t bother responding.</p>
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		By: Dr Victorino de la Vega		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27033</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Victorino de la Vega]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Bushmert vs. Sheikh Adam Pearlman: Dude, Where&#039;s My Caliphate?&lt;/b&gt;

Three days ago, “Seikh Azzam Al-Amrikiyy” a former heavy-metal punk from south California known as Adam Gadahn-Pearlman, addressed his fellow Americans through a sleek Al-Qaeda video clip calling on them to convert to Islam and warning of the consequences if they tried to stop the “rebirth of the glorious Mohammedan Caliphate” [The Arab-Islamic empire of old]…

Precisely a year ago, on the fourth anniversary of 911, when Gadahn-Pearlman emerged as the new “Islamo-fascist” boogeyman in the Neocon press, British journalist Jane Bradley wrote the following: 

&lt;i&gt;“In the case of the CIA and Al-Qaeda, it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate the goals, strategies and even membership of these two groups, despite their alleged, bitter and mutual enmity. The convergence of personnel and the remarkable proclivity of Al-Qaeda to promote Anglo-American/Israeli business interests by blowing things up or issuing communiques just at the right time and just at the right place […] It is part of an on-going scare campaign of fake and bluster terrorism designed to remind Americans of the ‘threat’ posed by al-Qaeda. […] Gadahn-Pearlman is an illusory (and cartoonish) demon custom-made for right-wing paranoids who buy into the neocon &#039;clash of civilizations&#039; scam.”&lt;/i&gt;

Today, President Bush seemed intent on proving that Jane Bradley’s analysis is right on the money: addressing the Military Officers Association of America, &lt;b&gt;Bush said that Al Qaeda&#039;s vision was to create a &lt;i&gt;“unified totalitarian Islamic state that can confront and eventually destroy the free world.”… and that Bin Laden had declared Iraq “the capital of the caliphate.” [sic]&lt;/i&gt;

Tellingly, in that highly surreal speech, Bush insisted that &lt;i&gt;“We know what the terrorists intend to do because they&#039;ve told us”.&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm…Frankly, I sometimes wonder if it’s the other way round!&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bushmert vs. Sheikh Adam Pearlman: Dude, Where&#8217;s My Caliphate?</b></p>
<p>Three days ago, “Seikh Azzam Al-Amrikiyy” a former heavy-metal punk from south California known as Adam Gadahn-Pearlman, addressed his fellow Americans through a sleek Al-Qaeda video clip calling on them to convert to Islam and warning of the consequences if they tried to stop the “rebirth of the glorious Mohammedan Caliphate” [The Arab-Islamic empire of old]…</p>
<p>Precisely a year ago, on the fourth anniversary of 911, when Gadahn-Pearlman emerged as the new “Islamo-fascist” boogeyman in the Neocon press, British journalist Jane Bradley wrote the following: </p>
<p><i>“In the case of the CIA and Al-Qaeda, it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate the goals, strategies and even membership of these two groups, despite their alleged, bitter and mutual enmity. The convergence of personnel and the remarkable proclivity of Al-Qaeda to promote Anglo-American/Israeli business interests by blowing things up or issuing communiques just at the right time and just at the right place […] It is part of an on-going scare campaign of fake and bluster terrorism designed to remind Americans of the ‘threat’ posed by al-Qaeda. […] Gadahn-Pearlman is an illusory (and cartoonish) demon custom-made for right-wing paranoids who buy into the neocon &#8216;clash of civilizations&#8217; scam.”</i></p>
<p>Today, President Bush seemed intent on proving that Jane Bradley’s analysis is right on the money: addressing the Military Officers Association of America, <b>Bush said that Al Qaeda&#8217;s vision was to create a <i>“unified totalitarian Islamic state that can confront and eventually destroy the free world.”… and that Bin Laden had declared Iraq “the capital of the caliphate.” [sic]</i></p>
<p>Tellingly, in that highly surreal speech, Bush insisted that <i>“We know what the terrorists intend to do because they&#8217;ve told us”.</i></p>
<p>Hmm…Frankly, I sometimes wonder if it’s the other way round!</b></p>
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		By: goesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27032</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snowonpine is right on target. There won&#039;t be any gay rights parades under shariah law, that&#039;s for sure. In fact, there will be lots of hanging and beheading and stoning of them. I wonder if Iran has hung any more gay teens in Public lately? They strung up a 16 yr. old girl for adultery. Them mullahs don&#039;t fool around when it comes to sin, no sir!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snowonpine is right on target. There won&#8217;t be any gay rights parades under shariah law, that&#8217;s for sure. In fact, there will be lots of hanging and beheading and stoning of them. I wonder if Iran has hung any more gay teens in Public lately? They strung up a 16 yr. old girl for adultery. Them mullahs don&#8217;t fool around when it comes to sin, no sir!</p>
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		By: Trimegistus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/05/conversations-on-conversion/#comment-27031</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trimegistus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s changing religion or changing my socks.  The founders of our nation did not fight and die so that foreign tyrants can tell us what to do.  The men who went overseas for the World Wars did not fight and die so that foreign tyrants can tell us what to do.  

For myself, give me liberty or give me death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s changing religion or changing my socks.  The founders of our nation did not fight and die so that foreign tyrants can tell us what to do.  The men who went overseas for the World Wars did not fight and die so that foreign tyrants can tell us what to do.  </p>
<p>For myself, give me liberty or give me death.</p>
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