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		By: Juliana		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26985</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juliana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From your blog, dear Neo-Neocon, it is obvious that you&#039;ve never read the Savelyev report, that is not only exhaustive and thorough in its argumentation for accusing the Russian security forces (the FSB) of triggering the first explosions in the gym - just the chapter on the use of Shmels, the flame throwers banned in situations of urban warfare when civilians are involved is a jaw-dropper. But the report also leaves almost without a doubt that there were much more terrorists than the mere 30 or so in the official version, and the whereabouts of them in the present are unknown: they could be in secret custody, but most likely they are still at large.
The report is available in Russian at http://www.pravdabeslana.ru - all hundreds of pages of it. - recommended reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your blog, dear Neo-Neocon, it is obvious that you&#8217;ve never read the Savelyev report, that is not only exhaustive and thorough in its argumentation for accusing the Russian security forces (the FSB) of triggering the first explosions in the gym &#8211; just the chapter on the use of Shmels, the flame throwers banned in situations of urban warfare when civilians are involved is a jaw-dropper. But the report also leaves almost without a doubt that there were much more terrorists than the mere 30 or so in the official version, and the whereabouts of them in the present are unknown: they could be in secret custody, but most likely they are still at large.<br />
The report is available in Russian at <a href="http://www.pravdabeslana.ru" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pravdabeslana.ru</a> &#8211; all hundreds of pages of it. &#8211; recommended reading.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26984</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I described I cannot call gangocracy. It is only rampant corruption. Real gangocracy lasting indefinitely long is a definition of a failed state. But Russia is not failed state, as, for example, Somali or Lebanon. It can be rogue sometimes, but almost never failed. When it fails, we have a revolution, but rather soon order is reestablished. In 1917 destruction of state and society was total, but in 1927 new order was firm. Western scare of &quot;Russian mafia&quot; was hysterical exaggeration. Yes, for 5 or 6 years Moscow and Petersburg were somewhat alike Chicago in 1930th. But in 2000, as state resumed control, street crime almost completely vanished. (Just as it was in Chicago after FBI was established.) When Russian speak about Mafia, they do not refer to thugs with guns, but only to black market profiteers and other non-official business groups, often selling infringing merchandise and avoiding taxation. These groups do not have political power, only some influence via bribery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I described I cannot call gangocracy. It is only rampant corruption. Real gangocracy lasting indefinitely long is a definition of a failed state. But Russia is not failed state, as, for example, Somali or Lebanon. It can be rogue sometimes, but almost never failed. When it fails, we have a revolution, but rather soon order is reestablished. In 1917 destruction of state and society was total, but in 1927 new order was firm. Western scare of &#8220;Russian mafia&#8221; was hysterical exaggeration. Yes, for 5 or 6 years Moscow and Petersburg were somewhat alike Chicago in 1930th. But in 2000, as state resumed control, street crime almost completely vanished. (Just as it was in Chicago after FBI was established.) When Russian speak about Mafia, they do not refer to thugs with guns, but only to black market profiteers and other non-official business groups, often selling infringing merchandise and avoiding taxation. These groups do not have political power, only some influence via bribery.</p>
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		By: armchair pessimist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26983</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey,

Thank you for your kind offer, and I will contact you. However, can&#039;t you be persuaded to send them here?   Would you mind, Neo?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;m the only one who is keenly interested in the Russia factor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey,</p>
<p>Thank you for your kind offer, and I will contact you. However, can&#8217;t you be persuaded to send them here?   Would you mind, Neo?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m the only one who is keenly interested in the Russia factor.</p>
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		By: Ariel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A list of Blumenthals writings. Was this an appeal to authority or just a bibliography? I&#039;d rather read VDH, but Blumenthal can be interesting also. Though for me neither rise to papal infallibility, I do believe scary may be embracing infallibility for Blumenthal. 

Sergey, your posts are always interesting and informative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A list of Blumenthals writings. Was this an appeal to authority or just a bibliography? I&#8217;d rather read VDH, but Blumenthal can be interesting also. Though for me neither rise to papal infallibility, I do believe scary may be embracing infallibility for Blumenthal. </p>
<p>Sergey, your posts are always interesting and informative.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26981</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am afraid, answers to other your questions need to bee too voluminous for post. Send me your e-mail, and I&#039;ll try to answer. My is serchudov@rambler.ru]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid, answers to other your questions need to bee too voluminous for post. Send me your e-mail, and I&#8217;ll try to answer. My is <a href="mailto:serchudov@rambler.ru">serchudov@rambler.ru</a></p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, in Russia there was some equivalent of what you call &quot;conservatism&quot;, but it never became so popular as to precipitate political movement or party. It existed as a cultural phenomenon only. I prefer to name it &quot;common sense&quot; approach, but, ironically, it never was &quot;common&quot; at all. Its best representative was almost unknown to western public poet and writer, count Alexey Konstantinovitch Tolstoy. (I is another Tolstoy, not Lev Nikolaevitch.) There is a sad joke in Russia: when in London the first underground railroad was open, in Russia slavery was abolished (in 1861). After that a profound administrative reform was launched, first elected bodies representatives of different classes organized at municipal and provincial levels, and so civil society emerged. Immediately  a lot of political and ideological movements come to being, because censure of press was cancelled. In many ways it resembled moral and ideological situation in US in 1960, and only recently I understood, how close these analogies are. New ideas were absorbed by youth, they often were radical and all-out negation of traditional values and norms. These radical liberals, influenced by French Enlightment with its anticlerical, atheistic and anti-despotic agenda, fiercely oppose traditionalists, who, in their turn, were influenced by German national-romanticism,defend Church and idealised rustic tradition. The first group accepted the name &quot;nihilists&quot; or &quot;zapadniks&quot; (from Russian word for &quot;West&quot;); the second - &quot;Slavophyls&quot;. A lot of Russian classic literature deals with this divide of society - Turgenev (zapadnic) wrote a novel &quot;Fathers and Sons&quot;; most prominent Slavophyles were Gogol and Dostoevsky. There simply was no place for views, alternative to both of these parties, and at that time, it seems to me, only one known writer had pozition, which can be described as &quot;classical liberalism&quot; or &quot;conservatism&quot; of Aglo-American type - A.K.Tolstoy. In 20 century this line is represented by Nabokov, author of &quot;Lolita&quot;; his works exist both in Russian and in English.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in Russia there was some equivalent of what you call &#8220;conservatism&#8221;, but it never became so popular as to precipitate political movement or party. It existed as a cultural phenomenon only. I prefer to name it &#8220;common sense&#8221; approach, but, ironically, it never was &#8220;common&#8221; at all. Its best representative was almost unknown to western public poet and writer, count Alexey Konstantinovitch Tolstoy. (I is another Tolstoy, not Lev Nikolaevitch.) There is a sad joke in Russia: when in London the first underground railroad was open, in Russia slavery was abolished (in 1861). After that a profound administrative reform was launched, first elected bodies representatives of different classes organized at municipal and provincial levels, and so civil society emerged. Immediately  a lot of political and ideological movements come to being, because censure of press was cancelled. In many ways it resembled moral and ideological situation in US in 1960, and only recently I understood, how close these analogies are. New ideas were absorbed by youth, they often were radical and all-out negation of traditional values and norms. These radical liberals, influenced by French Enlightment with its anticlerical, atheistic and anti-despotic agenda, fiercely oppose traditionalists, who, in their turn, were influenced by German national-romanticism,defend Church and idealised rustic tradition. The first group accepted the name &#8220;nihilists&#8221; or &#8220;zapadniks&#8221; (from Russian word for &#8220;West&#8221;); the second &#8211; &#8220;Slavophyls&#8221;. A lot of Russian classic literature deals with this divide of society &#8211; Turgenev (zapadnic) wrote a novel &#8220;Fathers and Sons&#8221;; most prominent Slavophyles were Gogol and Dostoevsky. There simply was no place for views, alternative to both of these parties, and at that time, it seems to me, only one known writer had pozition, which can be described as &#8220;classical liberalism&#8221; or &#8220;conservatism&#8221; of Aglo-American type &#8211; A.K.Tolstoy. In 20 century this line is represented by Nabokov, author of &#8220;Lolita&#8221;; his works exist both in Russian and in English.</p>
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		By: nyomythus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26979</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mariah Scary -- thank you for all the wonderful examples of psychological denial!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariah Scary &#8212; thank you for all the wonderful examples of psychological denial!</p>
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		By: armchair pessimist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26978</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey,

Your reports from Russia are most interesting and helpful.   Also, I don&#039;t know if there is any equivalent in Russian political thought, possibly from Czarist times, but your views are perfect expressions of classic Anglo-American conservatism.  (No disrespect to the new fangled varieties, Neo-Neo) 
Can the gangocracy that you describe  last?  At some point doesn&#039;t a society, a nation, have to have guiding beliefs, some point for existing?   Putin seems to be trying to replant some, a mixture from the USSR and Imperial times.  
Is it working?  A  healthy and sane Russia, attached to the West by ties of religion, culture and interest would be most welcome in these weird and frightening times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey,</p>
<p>Your reports from Russia are most interesting and helpful.   Also, I don&#8217;t know if there is any equivalent in Russian political thought, possibly from Czarist times, but your views are perfect expressions of classic Anglo-American conservatism.  (No disrespect to the new fangled varieties, Neo-Neo)<br />
Can the gangocracy that you describe  last?  At some point doesn&#8217;t a society, a nation, have to have guiding beliefs, some point for existing?   Putin seems to be trying to replant some, a mixture from the USSR and Imperial times.<br />
Is it working?  A  healthy and sane Russia, attached to the West by ties of religion, culture and interest would be most welcome in these weird and frightening times.</p>
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		By: Mariah Scary		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/09/02/beslan-second-anniversary/#comment-26977</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mariah Scary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bush&#039;s field theory of fear&quot;
Sidney Blumenthal
23 - 8 - 2006
The United States president&#039;s flawed understanding of the global war on terror connects Israel&#039;s strategic debacle in Lebanon with the US&#039;s in Iraq, says Sidney Blumenthal.


On 14 August 2006, the day the ceasefire was imposed ending Israel&#039;s war in Lebanon against Hizbollah, and just days after police in London arrested a group of people in connection with an alleged plot to blow up transatlantic airliners, President Bush strode to the podium at the state department to describe global conflict in neater and tidier terms than any convoluted conspiracy theory.

Almost in one breath he explained that events &quot;from Baghdad to Beirut&quot;, and Afghanistan, and London, are linked in &quot;a broader struggle between freedom and terror&quot;; that far-flung terrorism is &quot;no coincidence&quot;, caused by &quot;a lack of freedom&quot; – &quot;We saw the consequences on September the 11th, 2001&quot; – and that all these emanations are being combatted by his administration&#039;s &quot;forward strategy of freedom in the broader middle east&quot;, and that &quot;that strategy has helped bring hope to millions.&quot;

If there were any doubt about &quot;coincidence&quot;, the president concluded a sequence stringing together Lebanon, Iraq and Iran by defiantly pledging: &quot;the message of this administration is clear: America will stay on the offense against al-Qaida.&quot; Thus Bush&#039;s unified field theory of fear, if it is a theory.

Then, once again, Bush declared &quot;victory.&quot; Hizbollah, he asserted, had gained nothing from the war, but had &quot;suffered a defeat.&quot;

	
	

Sidney Blumenthal is a former assistant and senior adviser to President Clinton. He is the author of How Bush Rules: Chronicles of a Radical Regime (Princeton University Press, [forthcoming, September 2006)]. He writes a column for Salon and the Guardian.

Also by Sidney Blumenthal in openDemocracy:

&quot;Bush&#039;s Potemkin village presidency&quot;
(September 2005)

&quot;Republican tremors&quot; (October 2005)

&quot;George W Bush: home alone&quot; (October 2005)

&quot;Dick Cheney&#039;s day of reckoning&quot;
(November 2005)

&quot;Dick Cheney&#039;s shadow play&quot; (November 2005)

&quot;Condoleezza Rice&#039;s troubling journey&quot; (December 2005)

&quot;Bush&#039;s surveillance network&quot;
(December 2005)

&quot;Bush&#039;s shadow government exposed&quot; (January 2006)

&quot;The Republican system&quot; (January 2006)

&quot;George W Bush: running on empty&quot; (February 2006)

&quot;The rules of the game&quot; (February 2006)

&quot; The imprisoned president&quot;(March 2006)

&quot;Bush&#039;s world of illusion&quot; (March 2006)

&quot;Bush&#039;s truth&quot;
(April 2006)

&quot;The secret passion of George W Bush&quot;
(May 2006)

&quot;The ruin of the CIA&quot; (May 2005)

&quot;The president of dreams&quot; (May 2006)

&quot;The Bush way of war&quot; (June 2006)

&quot;The war for us&quot;
(June 2006)

&quot;The rule of law vs the war paradigm&quot;
(July 2006)

&quot; The infallible president&quot;
(July 2006)

&quot;Bush&#039;s axis of failure&quot; (August 2006)
	

Parallel worlds

At the mome]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s field theory of fear&#8221;<br />
Sidney Blumenthal<br />
23 &#8211; 8 &#8211; 2006<br />
The United States president&#8217;s flawed understanding of the global war on terror connects Israel&#8217;s strategic debacle in Lebanon with the US&#8217;s in Iraq, says Sidney Blumenthal.</p>
<p>On 14 August 2006, the day the ceasefire was imposed ending Israel&#8217;s war in Lebanon against Hizbollah, and just days after police in London arrested a group of people in connection with an alleged plot to blow up transatlantic airliners, President Bush strode to the podium at the state department to describe global conflict in neater and tidier terms than any convoluted conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>Almost in one breath he explained that events &#8220;from Baghdad to Beirut&#8221;, and Afghanistan, and London, are linked in &#8220;a broader struggle between freedom and terror&#8221;; that far-flung terrorism is &#8220;no coincidence&#8221;, caused by &#8220;a lack of freedom&#8221; – &#8220;We saw the consequences on September the 11th, 2001&#8221; – and that all these emanations are being combatted by his administration&#8217;s &#8220;forward strategy of freedom in the broader middle east&#8221;, and that &#8220;that strategy has helped bring hope to millions.&#8221;</p>
<p>If there were any doubt about &#8220;coincidence&#8221;, the president concluded a sequence stringing together Lebanon, Iraq and Iran by defiantly pledging: &#8220;the message of this administration is clear: America will stay on the offense against al-Qaida.&#8221; Thus Bush&#8217;s unified field theory of fear, if it is a theory.</p>
<p>Then, once again, Bush declared &#8220;victory.&#8221; Hizbollah, he asserted, had gained nothing from the war, but had &#8220;suffered a defeat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sidney Blumenthal is a former assistant and senior adviser to President Clinton. He is the author of How Bush Rules: Chronicles of a Radical Regime (Princeton University Press, [forthcoming, September 2006)]. He writes a column for Salon and the Guardian.</p>
<p>Also by Sidney Blumenthal in openDemocracy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s Potemkin village presidency&#8221;<br />
(September 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;Republican tremors&#8221; (October 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;George W Bush: home alone&#8221; (October 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;Dick Cheney&#8217;s day of reckoning&#8221;<br />
(November 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;Dick Cheney&#8217;s shadow play&#8221; (November 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;Condoleezza Rice&#8217;s troubling journey&#8221; (December 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s surveillance network&#8221;<br />
(December 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s shadow government exposed&#8221; (January 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The Republican system&#8221; (January 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;George W Bush: running on empty&#8221; (February 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The rules of the game&#8221; (February 2006)</p>
<p>&#8221; The imprisoned president&#8221;(March 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s world of illusion&#8221; (March 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s truth&#8221;<br />
(April 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The secret passion of George W Bush&#8221;<br />
(May 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The ruin of the CIA&#8221; (May 2005)</p>
<p>&#8220;The president of dreams&#8221; (May 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The Bush way of war&#8221; (June 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The war for us&#8221;<br />
(June 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;The rule of law vs the war paradigm&#8221;<br />
(July 2006)</p>
<p>&#8221; The infallible president&#8221;<br />
(July 2006)</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8217;s axis of failure&#8221; (August 2006)</p>
<p>Parallel worlds</p>
<p>At the mome</p>
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		By: strcpy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This type of reaction is what some of us call a &quot;nanny state&quot; (While I agree with the principle I tend to dislike the term. I prefer protectionist state). That is - the state protects, shelters, and cares for us. Thus when the wolves make it in there is a default failure of state.

For many of us, we would take care of our selfs. You do not have to imagine what happens in populaces that tends to be armed and with that attitude - we can see it now. There is a reason when you hear about attempted mass shootings and such in the south eastern US (and a few other states) - they tend to go no further than &quot;attempted&quot; (Most of the south eastern states carry permits are as easy or easier to get than a drivers liscense. Schools are pretty much the only places they are restricted - by federal law and even then at least two in Tennessee have been stopped by a carry permit holder).

The biggest problem with this is that the protective state people (who like to throw blame) tend to react about &quot;The Old West coming again&quot; or act as if I&#039;m blaming the people who were hurt (no, they never had the ability to defend themselfs - and even if they did it is still the agressors fault). Heck, in Tennessee we have had our carry permit for over a decade and some are *still* predicting the return to the OK corral in the next few years.

*shrug* simply giving the means to protect one self back to the people isn&#039;t enough (and in this respect I understand why many are afraid of such things - in thier society it *would* be dangerous). The society has to think that way - otherwise it is simply extreme danger. To arm yourself with deadly weapons yet assume the state is protecting you is *really* bad. I wouldn&#039;t give a child a deadly weapon (and note, I do not say firearm - I think the 2&#039;nd amendment and it&#039;s philosophy covers MUCH more than just that - the ability to defend yourself and to overthrow a corrupt govt) any more than I would give them to a culture that has no idea of the responsibilities of having them.

And, to anyone who ever says &quot;But what good would they do in a revolt - our military is too powerful&quot; may I remind you of your outlook on Iraq. That&#039;s what a very small dedicated armed force can do - if it ever were to become a popular movement we would be gone within a month (either wilfully pulling out or killed). As is less than 1% of the population is doing quite a bit of harm and will take years to root out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This type of reaction is what some of us call a &#8220;nanny state&#8221; (While I agree with the principle I tend to dislike the term. I prefer protectionist state). That is &#8211; the state protects, shelters, and cares for us. Thus when the wolves make it in there is a default failure of state.</p>
<p>For many of us, we would take care of our selfs. You do not have to imagine what happens in populaces that tends to be armed and with that attitude &#8211; we can see it now. There is a reason when you hear about attempted mass shootings and such in the south eastern US (and a few other states) &#8211; they tend to go no further than &#8220;attempted&#8221; (Most of the south eastern states carry permits are as easy or easier to get than a drivers liscense. Schools are pretty much the only places they are restricted &#8211; by federal law and even then at least two in Tennessee have been stopped by a carry permit holder).</p>
<p>The biggest problem with this is that the protective state people (who like to throw blame) tend to react about &#8220;The Old West coming again&#8221; or act as if I&#8217;m blaming the people who were hurt (no, they never had the ability to defend themselfs &#8211; and even if they did it is still the agressors fault). Heck, in Tennessee we have had our carry permit for over a decade and some are *still* predicting the return to the OK corral in the next few years.</p>
<p>*shrug* simply giving the means to protect one self back to the people isn&#8217;t enough (and in this respect I understand why many are afraid of such things &#8211; in thier society it *would* be dangerous). The society has to think that way &#8211; otherwise it is simply extreme danger. To arm yourself with deadly weapons yet assume the state is protecting you is *really* bad. I wouldn&#8217;t give a child a deadly weapon (and note, I do not say firearm &#8211; I think the 2&#8217;nd amendment and it&#8217;s philosophy covers MUCH more than just that &#8211; the ability to defend yourself and to overthrow a corrupt govt) any more than I would give them to a culture that has no idea of the responsibilities of having them.</p>
<p>And, to anyone who ever says &#8220;But what good would they do in a revolt &#8211; our military is too powerful&#8221; may I remind you of your outlook on Iraq. That&#8217;s what a very small dedicated armed force can do &#8211; if it ever were to become a popular movement we would be gone within a month (either wilfully pulling out or killed). As is less than 1% of the population is doing quite a bit of harm and will take years to root out.</p>
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