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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28288</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just call trolls, agent provocateurs. Back in the olden days, we used to use them to stir up trouble in neighboring city-states. Piss off the opposition noble houses, start riots and revolts, and do all kinds of underhanded and duplicitous operations designed to curtail the operations of the enemy.

Back then, we used to hang these saboteurs and spies if we caught them. Or maybe send them back to who sent them, in pieces, as a sort of birthday present and warning.

All glory to the Golden Age created by the United States. It has rendered an excuse to get out of the dark ages. Although it doesn&#039;t get rid of the problems, it just gets rid of the symptoms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just call trolls, agent provocateurs. Back in the olden days, we used to use them to stir up trouble in neighboring city-states. Piss off the opposition noble houses, start riots and revolts, and do all kinds of underhanded and duplicitous operations designed to curtail the operations of the enemy.</p>
<p>Back then, we used to hang these saboteurs and spies if we caught them. Or maybe send them back to who sent them, in pieces, as a sort of birthday present and warning.</p>
<p>All glory to the Golden Age created by the United States. It has rendered an excuse to get out of the dark ages. Although it doesn&#8217;t get rid of the problems, it just gets rid of the symptoms.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I will be deleting comments from those trolls who use proxy IP numbers and IP shields, as well as those who post under multiple identities (sock puppets).&lt;/b&gt;

Aww, does this mean that I have to reign in my alternate egos?

I&#039;ve been seeing a lot of commenters that I know from other blogs. Like Zhombre, Synova, and Grimmy. Sometime ago, they started coming in regularly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I will be deleting comments from those trolls who use proxy IP numbers and IP shields, as well as those who post under multiple identities (sock puppets).</b></p>
<p>Aww, does this mean that I have to reign in my alternate egos?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been seeing a lot of commenters that I know from other blogs. Like Zhombre, Synova, and Grimmy. Sometime ago, they started coming in regularly.</p>
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		By: senescentwasp		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[senescentwasp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is a link to BTNet&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bt.net/info/accept_use.shtml&quot;&gt;Acceptable Use/Terms of Service document.&lt;/a&gt; BTNet is used by at least one of the more objectionable trolls: threats, obscenity and more; who violates the terms of service by using methods to circumvent site security and acceptable use standards here on Neo&#039;s blog.

BTNet is currently having its feet held to the fire on another case similar to this one and will soon run out of choices. Fortunately, there are those who recall a previous &quot;situation&quot; involving BTNet when they did take action and cancel an account and ban the user. Since records of that case were archived subsequent ones will be harder to avoid especially where identity morphing is involved.

It is not as simple as &quot;disagreement&quot; but is as simple as following rules. Notice the common left wing &quot;victimology&quot; being applied here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to BTNet&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bt.net/info/accept_use.shtml">Acceptable Use/Terms of Service document.</a> BTNet is used by at least one of the more objectionable trolls: threats, obscenity and more; who violates the terms of service by using methods to circumvent site security and acceptable use standards here on Neo&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>BTNet is currently having its feet held to the fire on another case similar to this one and will soon run out of choices. Fortunately, there are those who recall a previous &#8220;situation&#8221; involving BTNet when they did take action and cancel an account and ban the user. Since records of that case were archived subsequent ones will be harder to avoid especially where identity morphing is involved.</p>
<p>It is not as simple as &#8220;disagreement&#8221; but is as simple as following rules. Notice the common left wing &#8220;victimology&#8221; being applied here.</p>
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		By: ginger		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ginger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks!  I needed a good guffaw this afternoon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  I needed a good guffaw this afternoon.</p>
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		By: ginger		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28285</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ginger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did a bit of research for neo this....and wasp is correct.  The generally accepted consensus is that IP blocking serves only to block legitimate users.  Trolls can easily get around it.  It appears the only &#039;sure&#039; way to avoid them is to have a strictly email comments section...but who has the time or energy to peruse and check each and every one prior to posting?  So we are left with the admonition to not respond to them at all...but as I told her, sometimes it takes 2-3 posts before one can be sure you are dealing with a troll.  Different names, and attempts at style, makes the initial post sometimes difficult to tag.  Sheesh...don&#039;t they have enough left blogs of their own to monitor?  If ya&#039;ll catch me getting sucked into a &#039;troll shout down&#039;....speak right up and tell me to drop it!  I tend to think any commenter is &#039;honest&#039;...but that is most decidedly an outdated view these days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did a bit of research for neo this&#8230;.and wasp is correct.  The generally accepted consensus is that IP blocking serves only to block legitimate users.  Trolls can easily get around it.  It appears the only &#8216;sure&#8217; way to avoid them is to have a strictly email comments section&#8230;but who has the time or energy to peruse and check each and every one prior to posting?  So we are left with the admonition to not respond to them at all&#8230;but as I told her, sometimes it takes 2-3 posts before one can be sure you are dealing with a troll.  Different names, and attempts at style, makes the initial post sometimes difficult to tag.  Sheesh&#8230;don&#8217;t they have enough left blogs of their own to monitor?  If ya&#8217;ll catch me getting sucked into a &#8216;troll shout down&#8217;&#8230;.speak right up and tell me to drop it!  I tend to think any commenter is &#8216;honest&#8217;&#8230;but that is most decidedly an outdated view these days.</p>
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		By: senescentwasp		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28284</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IP blocking is only useful for those who are honest. The dishonest don&#039;t care a bit about it. Here&#039;s a good &lt;a href=&quot;http://kalsey.com/2004/02/why_ip_banning_is_useless/&quot;&gt;disscussion of IP blocking.&lt;/a&gt; It&#039;s like the instructor in Defense Against Methods of Entry used to say, &quot;Locks just keep honest people honest.&quot;

IP blocking doesn&#039;t work against those who feel they are on a mission from Marx and have a Marx given right to comment.

Most troll spray solutions are variants of anti-spam tools and make it difficult to control the &quot;semi-pro&quot; troll, especially one &quot;on a mission&quot;. 

I saw a demonstration early last year of an interesting &quot;proof of concept&quot; app based on the way commerical spammers turn whole groups of computers into &quot;zombies&quot; for spam runs.It was much more sophisticated and very hard to detect at insertion and in use. The app had a very large feature set including one that set a random delay in bringing up, say a web page. Eventually, the delays would increase and the user would conclude that it was traffic or a technical problem and stop going to the particular address. This is a variant of a method that used to be used on the server side but was now insterted into the users side.

The whole demo was pretty scary since it showed a computer behind a firewall with several examples of anti-virus software, multiple browsers and all the major flavors of op systems being infected undetected. It had two modes called over the shoulder real time and phone home. It was remotely configurable, invisible to all virus scans currently in use and required an advanced packet sniffer to detect and the sniffer had to know what it was looking for. It was like having a little &#039;bot inside your computer with a telephone.

When I got home, I immediately wrote a script that checked the common areas for insertion on my OS for size and flagged any growth.

But, think of the advantages for troll control? You&#039;d train the user to stay away and they&#039;d never know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IP blocking is only useful for those who are honest. The dishonest don&#8217;t care a bit about it. Here&#8217;s a good <a href="http://kalsey.com/2004/02/why_ip_banning_is_useless/">disscussion of IP blocking.</a> It&#8217;s like the instructor in Defense Against Methods of Entry used to say, &#8220;Locks just keep honest people honest.&#8221;</p>
<p>IP blocking doesn&#8217;t work against those who feel they are on a mission from Marx and have a Marx given right to comment.</p>
<p>Most troll spray solutions are variants of anti-spam tools and make it difficult to control the &#8220;semi-pro&#8221; troll, especially one &#8220;on a mission&#8221;. </p>
<p>I saw a demonstration early last year of an interesting &#8220;proof of concept&#8221; app based on the way commerical spammers turn whole groups of computers into &#8220;zombies&#8221; for spam runs.It was much more sophisticated and very hard to detect at insertion and in use. The app had a very large feature set including one that set a random delay in bringing up, say a web page. Eventually, the delays would increase and the user would conclude that it was traffic or a technical problem and stop going to the particular address. This is a variant of a method that used to be used on the server side but was now insterted into the users side.</p>
<p>The whole demo was pretty scary since it showed a computer behind a firewall with several examples of anti-virus software, multiple browsers and all the major flavors of op systems being infected undetected. It had two modes called over the shoulder real time and phone home. It was remotely configurable, invisible to all virus scans currently in use and required an advanced packet sniffer to detect and the sniffer had to know what it was looking for. It was like having a little &#8216;bot inside your computer with a telephone.</p>
<p>When I got home, I immediately wrote a script that checked the common areas for insertion on my OS for size and flagged any growth.</p>
<p>But, think of the advantages for troll control? You&#8217;d train the user to stay away and they&#8217;d never know.</p>
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		By: Weary_g		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28283</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the risk of being accused of selfish self-promotion, I came up with some guidelines a little while ago after dealing with trolls.  Humor helps in dealing with them in any form.

&lt;b&gt;How to Spot a Troll&lt;/b&gt;http://latticesofbogosity.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-to-spot-troll-updated.html

You&#039;ll note that post attracted a Troll in the comments who I suspect had a different name elsewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being accused of selfish self-promotion, I came up with some guidelines a little while ago after dealing with trolls.  Humor helps in dealing with them in any form.</p>
<p><b>How to Spot a Troll</b><a href="http://latticesofbogosity.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-to-spot-troll-updated.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://latticesofbogosity.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-to-spot-troll-updated.html</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll note that post attracted a Troll in the comments who I suspect had a different name elsewhere.</p>
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		By: harry		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28282</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike&#039;s America:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;I&#039;ve had some pose as me posting pornographic material on other peoples sites.,,Then there was one of the Daily Kos freaks who got made that I banned him and posted what he thought was my address, phone number and a map to my house. Got the wrong me, but it was the intent that is troubling.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

About the level of maturity Ive come to expect from the un-hinged tantrum throwing left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike&#8217;s America:<br />
<i>&#8220;I&#8217;ve had some pose as me posting pornographic material on other peoples sites.,,Then there was one of the Daily Kos freaks who got made that I banned him and posted what he thought was my address, phone number and a map to my house. Got the wrong me, but it was the intent that is troubling.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>About the level of maturity Ive come to expect from the un-hinged tantrum throwing left.</p>
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		By: senescentwasp		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[senescentwasp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;conned, 
if you think what you do is &quot;debate&quot; than your are more delusional than I suspected.

You have been banned on more than one site, as I recall and you fit Neo&#039;s definition to a &quot;T&quot;. You morph and spoof and use proxies to avoid doing what you have been asked to do; leave by the site owner. 

You remind me of the ancient Usenet troll, ace agincourt; also a rabidly anti-American left wing spittle flinger. As I recall he eventually wound up down at his neighborhood cop shop &quot;helping them with their inquiries&quot; when he went over the line once too often. He eventually wound up doing a jolt in the slammer and had to take a court ordered &quot;vacation&quot; from computers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;conned,<br />
if you think what you do is &#8220;debate&#8221; than your are more delusional than I suspected.</p>
<p>You have been banned on more than one site, as I recall and you fit Neo&#8217;s definition to a &#8220;T&#8221;. You morph and spoof and use proxies to avoid doing what you have been asked to do; leave by the site owner. </p>
<p>You remind me of the ancient Usenet troll, ace agincourt; also a rabidly anti-American left wing spittle flinger. As I recall he eventually wound up down at his neighborhood cop shop &#8220;helping them with their inquiries&#8221; when he went over the line once too often. He eventually wound up doing a jolt in the slammer and had to take a court ordered &#8220;vacation&#8221; from computers.</p>
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		By: Mike's America		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2006/08/17/trolls-and-comments/#comment-28280</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike's America]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some of these trolls are taking their political pathology to the next level.

I&#039;ve had some pose as me posting pornographic material on other peoples sites.

Then there was one of the Daily Kos freaks who got made that I banned him and posted what he thought was my address, phone number and a map to my house. Got the wrong me, but it was the intent that is troubling.

These folks call Bush a Nazi but then go around behaving like the Gestapo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of these trolls are taking their political pathology to the next level.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had some pose as me posting pornographic material on other peoples sites.</p>
<p>Then there was one of the Daily Kos freaks who got made that I banned him and posted what he thought was my address, phone number and a map to my house. Got the wrong me, but it was the intent that is troubling.</p>
<p>These folks call Bush a Nazi but then go around behaving like the Gestapo.</p>
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